Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs Beerus

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So who do you guys think would win here? I don't want to hear non canon crap.

Unfortunately we didn't get to see the extent of Gogetas power. And his fusion is supposed to last 30 minutes but as we have seen they are super saiyan 4 and that drastically cuts the time.

BUT pretending the fusion has no limit who would win then?

I vote for Gogeta.

EDIT: Not in the game but in general.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von S.E.I.T.E.N.:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jac The Wanderer:

Beerus, Super Saiyan 4 or not. Beerus is a god and the God of Destruction at that. SS4 Gogeta couldn't even end Omega Shenron with one Big Bang Kamehameha. Shenron is terrified of Beerus, that should tell you something. Super Saiyan God is stronger than Super Saiyan 4 and Goku still had a hard time and Beerus wasn't even fighting at 100%. Maybe Super Saiyan God Gogeta would have a chance but SS4? No. I don't favor one over the other, just giving my opinion based on what I see. Whis ftw though.

Obviously you didnt read my earlier post so I forgive you for all your false info. Let me just remark on one thing tho. Does this look like the shenron from Z lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHO0NtcdFu0

I've seen GT I know about the different dragon. I saw some of what you said but your info is a little bogus. I gave no false info. I said SSG is stronger than SS4, that should be obvious. I didn't say SSG Goku is stronger than SS4 Gogeta. Gogeta blasted Omega with a Big Bang Kamehameha and it removed the other dark star dragon balls. Then he was going to do it again to finish him, so that part was not false. The Shenron is afraid of Beerus so that is not false. Here's another bit of info, Shenron trained Goku so keep that in mind. You're just talking about titles. Now if you want to talk about actually time pasted then don't you think if Beerus appeared in GT (although he didn't) he'd also be stronger? I'm talking character vs character, you're talking show vs show. So lol right back at ya.

[darkdeath174]

Saying GT SS is stronger than Z is logical, the characters spent years training and growing their base power level, so no ♥♥♥♥ they are stonger.
Why are people forgetting post SSG normal old SS goku is now stronger than when he tried to fight Beerus as a ss3. Same logic works here, Goku's body learned how to fight at a higher level, so his base power went up. That's why in the new movie Goku can fight 100% power Frieza without transformering to SS. Though it looks like he's unable to go SS or is being told he's not allowed to by Whis.

Heck you can see base future version of hero A is now stronger than his past super awesome transformation, that's logic in any shonen anime/manga.

[My Name Is Mud]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jac The Wanderer:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von S.E.I.T.E.N.:

Obviously you didnt read my earlier post so I forgive you for all your false info. Let me just remark on one thing tho. Does this look like the shenron from Z lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHO0NtcdFu0

I've seen GT I know about the different dragon. I saw some of what you said but your info is a little bogus. I gave no false info. I said SSG is stronger than SS4, that should be obvious. I didn't say SSG Goku is stronger than SS4 Gogeta. Gogeta blasted Omega with a Big Bang Kamehameha and it removed the other dark star dragon balls. Then he was going to do it again to finish him, so that part was not false. The Shenron is afraid of Beerus so that is not false. Here's another bit of info, Shenron trained Goku so keep that in mind. You're just talking about titles. Now if you want to talk about actually time pasted then don't you think if Beerus appeared in GT (although he didn't) he'd also be stronger? I'm talking character vs character, you're talking show vs show. So lol right back at ya.

Beerus doesnt train. so no he wouldnt be any stronger. if anything he would keep getting weaker due to sleeping all the time. Omega sheron is far above beerus as well so your big bang arguement is fail. SSJG is not even a real transformation is more of a power up. SSJ4 is the pinnacle of the saiyan race. But go ahead having a wrong outlook on it. Fine by me

[Reptil93]

Fck the purple Dog and SSJ 4 gogeta.
Both are Characters which a true DBZ fan will never accept.
Cuz both are an Insult to the true Saga of Toriyama

[Hardstyler]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RECONBunny:

So who do you guys think would win here? I don't want to hear non canon crap.

Unfortunately we didn't get to see the extent of Gogetas power. And his fusion is supposed to last 30 minutes but as we have seen they are super saiyan 4 and that drastically cuts the time.

BUT pretending the fusion has no limit who would win then?

I vote for Gogeta.

EDIT: Not in the game but in general.

i don't want to dissapoint you but that should be win for Beerus ;)

Akira Toryima stated that if Beerus is a 10, then Whis is a 15, so Whis is 50% stronger than Beerus.

Whis PL is Over 3,750,000,000... and Beerus PL is Over 2,500,000,000 (in Battle of Gods) and to mention he used 70% of his full power :)

In Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn, Super Gogetas PL is 2,500,000,000. Not less nor more.

#source dbzwiki

[Veya]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hardstyler:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RECONBunny:

So who do you guys think would win here? I don't want to hear non canon crap.

Unfortunately we didn't get to see the extent of Gogetas power. And his fusion is supposed to last 30 minutes but as we have seen they are super saiyan 4 and that drastically cuts the time.

BUT pretending the fusion has no limit who would win then?

I vote for Gogeta.

EDIT: Not in the game but in general.

i don't want to dissapoint you but that should be win for Beerus ;)

Akira Toryima stated that if Beerus is a 10, then Whis is a 15, so Whis is 50% stronger than Beerus.

Whis PL is Over 3,750,000,000... and Beerus PL is Over 2,500,000,000 (in Battle of Gods) and to mention he used 70% of his full power :)

In Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn, Super Gogetas PL is 2,500,000,000. Not less nor more.

#source dbzwiki:Goku:

And what the source the wiki use? it is easy to go in a wiki and edit some numbers, so the wiki is hardly a valid source.

[My Name Is Mud]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Veya:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hardstyler:

i don't want to dissapoint you but that should be win for Beerus ;)

Akira Toryima stated that if Beerus is a 10, then Whis is a 15, so Whis is 50% stronger than Beerus.

Whis PL is Over 3,750,000,000... and Beerus PL is Over 2,500,000,000 (in Battle of Gods) and to mention he used 70% of his full power :)

In Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn, Super Gogetas PL is 2,500,000,000. Not less nor more.

#source dbzwiki:Goku:

And what the source the wiki use? it is easy to go in a wiki and edit some numbers, so the wiki is hardly a valid source.

Power levels after trunks first apearing on earth are all false 100% of them
sorry to burst your bubble but even if they were correct all it would prove is Beerus > SSJ Gogeta Z and thats pretty obvious lol

Vegito Z and Gogeta Z both were rendered weaker then Beerus as soon as goku elected not the fuse and try to find out how to become SSJ God

[Hardstyler]

Lmao i'm not saying it's all truth, WTF. just found those numbers and most of them are stated either by AT or Budokai 3... So please get your pants on

[Veya]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von S.E.I.T.E.N.:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Veya:

And what the source the wiki use? it is easy to go in a wiki and edit some numbers, so the wiki is hardly a valid source.

Power levels after trunks first apearing on earth are all false 100% of them
sorry to burst your bubble but even if they were correct all it would prove is Beerus > SSJ Gogeta Z and thats pretty obvious lol

Vegetio Z and Gogeta Z both were rendered weaker then Beerus as soon as goku elected not the fuse and try to find out how to become SSJ God

I knew they were false, and I am very aware of all that, I was just leading him into banging into a wall because... I dunno, it is 5 AM, I can't sleep because I am overly nervous about a surgery I am going through monday and I wanted to have my fun.

[Archmage MC]

Beerus would win for one simple reason: He can breath in space, Gogeta can't. All he needs to do is either bring / hit gogeta out of the atmosphere and let asphyxiation beat him, blow up the planet, or just fly into space and Gogeta could never beat him.

Basically doing what Freeza should've done but couldn't due to the hero needing to win in the story.


Its why Superman beats Goku (SSjG CAN breath in space though), all he has to do is blow up the planet. Superman doesn't need oxygen, goku does.

[Hardstyler]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Veya:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von S.E.I.T.E.N.:

I knew they were false, and I am very aware of all that, I was just leading him into banging into a wall because... I dunno, it is 5 AM, I can't sleep because I am overly nervous about a surgery I am going through monday and I wanted to have my fun.

So you actually think i'm banging into wall.. so the fact you didn't slept because of a surgery, you probably didn't read by last reply. And yes, what kind of men looking for such ''amusement'' which obv failed due your surgery in 5AM haha.. bye and gl.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von S.E.I.T.E.N.:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jac The Wanderer:

I've seen GT I know about the different dragon. I saw some of what you said but your info is a little bogus. I gave no false info. I said SSG is stronger than SS4, that should be obvious. I didn't say SSG Goku is stronger than SS4 Gogeta. Gogeta blasted Omega with a Big Bang Kamehameha and it removed the other dark star dragon balls. Then he was going to do it again to finish him, so that part was not false. The Shenron is afraid of Beerus so that is not false. Here's another bit of info, Shenron trained Goku so keep that in mind. You're just talking about titles. Now if you want to talk about actually time pasted then don't you think if Beerus appeared in GT (although he didn't) he'd also be stronger? I'm talking character vs character, you're talking show vs show. So lol right back at ya.

Beerus doesnt train. so no he wouldnt be any stronger. if anything he would keep getting weaking due to sleeping all the time. Omega sheron is far above beerus as well so your big bang arguement is fail. SSJG is not even a real transformation is more of a power up. SSJ4 is the pinnacle of the saiyan race. But go ahead having a wrong outlook on it. Fine by me

By that logic he should be weaker than Yajirobi by now. Whether SSG is a power up or not it's still stronger than 4 in my opinion. It's proven to be far stronger than SS3. The pinnacle of the Saiyan race? I would think that would be the one they call Super Saiyan "God". Omega Shenron stronger than Beerus? That's some nice bogus info you're putting out there. Look at it this way, Gogeta has the power of Goku & Vegeta. SSG Goku has the power of; Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, & Pan. Yes Gohan, Trunks, Goten, & Pan aren't full Saiyans but together it's still more than two on top of that Gohan has his Ultimate transformation and Goten & Trunks can turn into SS3 Gotenks. So wrong, I don't know about that.

[Vriz]

Just wanted to clarify things here, the Super Saiyan modifiers never changed from Z to GT. However, the GT characters using these modifiers have grown considerably stronger than their Z counterparts.

So saying SSJ4 is weaker than SS God is in fact true, if we're using them in the same means of progression i.e Goku learned SS God first then SSj4 in "Z" itself.

But it's also true that SSJ4 in GT is now somewhat on par towards SS God back in Z.

If we're comparing the different versions of Goku in each timeline which we should be because that was the point, then Goku in GT as a SS4 should be around the same tier than Goku was in Z as a SS God.

If we do the mulipliers here:

SS: 50x base power
SS2: 2x power of SS or 100x base power
SS3: 4x power of SS2 or 400x base power

Meaning, GT Goku at base form is stronger than SS3 Goku at Z. Thats a 400x increase and since we actually don't know the multiplier for SS4, let's say its an increase of 2x power of SS3 given the power difference in the fight Goku vs Baby

Then we add the fusion in the mix and have Gogeta go SSJ4 and well... vote for SSJ4 Gogeta

[{RECON}Nexus_[QS]]

I really think Gogeta would stand a good chance here. And just to clarify Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta compared to Super Gogeta in the Z movie is like Vegeta - Yajirobe. It's that massive of a difference.

[Marry]

if gogeta would beat beerus whis wouldnt give a ♥♥♥♥ and what hes going to say first ''wanna become the god of destruction'' lol