A friendly reminder: the absolute best Dragonball music is...?

[Arsene Lupin]

You might think it's this:
youtube.com/watch?v=M954D_jyJbQ

It's not. The best Dragonball music is actually this:
youtube.com/watch?v=0R9k0yl8Atk

You're welcome.
Also, if you can listen to that for more than 30 seconds without laughing or smiling... I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you are very probably alexithymic.

[Teaspoon]

Sayla Massochist eredeti hozzászólása:

Well when I was a kid watching DBZ on Cartoon Network's Toonami I never even thought about the Japanese version of the show. I knew it was from Japan, but the thought of Sub vs Dub never crossed my mind.

Anyway with that out of the way I present the Original Funimation Dub's theme song, which will always hold a place in my heart even if it does not hold up to the test of time as well as the Japanese version does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP75aZvWVdw

Rock The Dragon was always pretty cool/fun, but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that it's basically just Eye of The Tiger, another awesome song.

Bishop the Black eredeti hozzászólása:

Bruce Falconer's music is superior to Shunsuke Kikuchi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKO68_FBexY

Also, Dragon Soul is superior to Cha-La-Head-Cha-La.

There was never anything great or fun about Falconer's music. Anybody who had a good understanding of how a Casio keyboard worked could easily make the music he made.

It wasn't until I started learning to play music that I realized how insanely generic Falconer's stuff is. Note this isn't a Japanese vs English thing, this is just a music in general thing, and there's nothing special about Falconer's music. People just remember it fondly. Doesn't mean it's good.

[Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective]

The original OST was purged for a reason. All that plagiarism.

[Kelloggs]

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective eredeti hozzászólása:

The original OST was purged for a reason. All that plagiarism.

Plagiarism with what?

The Original OST was only changed in the US Version.

Spanish and Portuguese versions of dragon ball kept the japanese OST.

[ULTRA]

Time for you to get these stuck in your head again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm77VCkf_do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU3EZdNzHoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25uootu5lTk

I can't remember much of the Faulconer soundtrack but I know this one will get us pumped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oStwnsTV8og

[Lord Raso]

It's disgracful that no one shared this gem yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezrbyf6t9mY

TOKUSENTAI! TOKUSENTAI!

[Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective]

Kelloggs eredeti hozzászólása:

Plagiarism with what?

The Original OST was only changed in the US Version.

Spanish and Portuguese versions of dragon ball kept the japanese OST.

The JP OST, I meant. The composer was accused of plagiarism, and was effectively kicked out of the industry.

[ULTRA]

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective eredeti hozzászólása:

Kelloggs eredeti hozzászólása:

Plagiarism with what?

The Original OST was only changed in the US Version.

Spanish and Portuguese versions of dragon ball kept the japanese OST.

The JP OST, I meant. The composer was accused of plagiarism, and was effectively kicked out of the industry.

Yes, the composer of the Kai OST (Kenji Yamamoto) was shown to have lifted certain melodies, however Shunsuke Kikuchi (i.e. the original composer) was not.

[hispanic maid]

Yeah I don't understand how this is funny.

[ULTRA]

Speaking of plagiarism here's some great "DBZ music" for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ic7XygUHo

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tas7284 eredeti hozzászólása:

There was never anything great or fun about Falconer's music. Anybody who had a good understanding of how a Casio keyboard worked could easily make the music he made.

It wasn't until I started learning to play music that I realized how insanely generic Falconer's stuff is. Note this isn't a Japanese vs English thing, this is just a music in general thing, and there's nothing special about Falconer's music. People just remember it fondly. Doesn't mean it's good.

Good music =/= complicated, likewise bad music =/= generic. It's not the same. Falconer's music fit the scenes perfectly, were generally very atmospheric (other than some of the goofier stuff that mixed in out of nowhere, like the beginning of Namek Explosion - which is one of the simplest he's made, yet most atmospheric and definitely feels apocalyptic after the first 12 strangely goofy seconds) and worked very very well. Good music inspires emotion based on the subject matter; how complicated it was to create means literally nothing.

The Japanese themes were great, but did not age very well (they sound extremely old) - they definitely fit, and some of the movie themes were great. I have respect for both artists (Excluding Kai's artist), however I prefer Falconer's themes as they aged better, had a lot more variety, and there were some VERY strong hits (such as the ones I posted on page 1). All of his SSJ themes were gorgeous yet screamed "powerful" too, and some of his "villain" themes were also very menacing and perfect for their respective characters (especially Cell's, and Android 19 and 20's theme even though it started off goofy, which still personified the goofy android 19).

19 (beginning) and 20's (after 39 seconds) theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gohph5Ur9Xo
Best bit is at around 39 seconds in, which I consider the start of Gero's theme. The beginning, while goofy, still perfectly fit Android 19's circus look and attitude (and voice).

But then again, Dr. Gero has his own theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxPio2dPX10
Which is also epic, for the character and what he is. Very strong sense of menace and hatred, while sci-fi enough to fit his modern-day android setup. Absolutely perfect personification of the character.

Cell's Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkeAQG6kQw
Simple, yet effective and perfect. Not much else can be said about it.

His music absolutely personifies the characters and the environments, far better than the original, and THAT is what defines music and themes especially. The fight between Trunks and Goten at the world tournament (I posted it on the first page) is a perfect example for me. Compared to the Japanese one, Falconer's version MADE this fight for me and helped make it into one of my favorite fights in the series. I just wish I knew what the damn track was called.

I will say, Disturbed almost ruined the series for me. Using their music in the movies and uncensored series was a terrible choice imo, but some people loved it.

[Teaspoon]

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective eredeti hozzászólása:

The original OST was purged for a reason. All that plagiarism.

That was Kai but you're presenting the situation to everyone like it was the original OST and that the original OST should be looked upon in a negative fashion because of something that isn't true.

Chillin' eredeti hozzászólása:

Good music =/= complicated, likewise bad music =/= generic. It's not the same. Falconer's music fit the scenes perfectly, were generally very atmospheric (other than some of the goofier stuff that mixed in out of nowhere, like the beginning of Namek Explosion - which is one of the simplest he's made, yet most atmospheric and definitely feels apocalyptic after the first 12 strangely goofy seconds) and worked very very well. Good music inspires emotion based on the subject matter; how complicated it was to create means literally nothing.

The Japanese themes were great, but did not age very well (they sound extremely old) - they definitely fit, and some of the movie themes were great. I have respect for both artists (Excluding Kai's artist), however I prefer Falconer's themes as they aged better, had a lot more variety, and there were some VERY strong hits (such as the ones I posted on page 1). All of his SSJ themes were gorgeous yet screamed "powerful" too, and some of his "villain" themes were also very menacing and perfect for their respective characters (especially Cell's, and Android 19 and 20's theme even though it started off goofy, which still personified the goofy android 19).

19 (beginning) and 20's (after 39 seconds) theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gohph5Ur9Xo
Best bit is at around 39 seconds in, which I consider the start of Gero's theme. The beginning, while goofy, still perfectly fit Android 19's circus look and attitude (and voice).

But then again, Dr. Gero has his own theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxPio2dPX10
Which is also epic, for the character and what he is. Very strong sense of menace and hatred, while sci-fi enough to fit his modern-day android setup. Absolutely perfect personification of the character.

Cell's Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkeAQG6kQw
Simple, yet effective and perfect.

His music absolutely personifies the characters and the environments, far better than the original, and THAT is what defines music and themes especially. The fight between Trunks and Goten at the world tournament is a perfect example for me. Compared to the Japanese one, Falconer's version MADE this fight for me and helped make it into one of my favorite fights in the series. I just wish I knew what the damn track was called.

I will say, Disturbed almost ruined the series for me. Using their music in the movies and uncensored series was a terrible choice imo, but some people loved it.

Dragon Ball is old and so is it's original music. You say that the original OST hasn't aged well but it's not like the show has either. Dropping new modern stuff atop old footage doesn't generally work and often times feels anachronistic. It can sometimes result in somewhat of an uncanny valley effect as well.

The other problem that the music in the dub suffers from is that there are almost never any points of silence. While this isn't a fault of the music itself the show suffers for it as basically no scenes are given time to breath.

Also when people compare the OST to the English music, it's always character themes and fight music, ie intense situations where the music tends to be amped up. What you never see people who like Faulconer's music ever mention are the moments that take place at Goku's house or Bulma's or any thing that isn't an action scene because Faulconer was never good at composing that type of music and that's part of my point.

There's nothing special or difficult about scoring action scenes when it comes to anything really. Where composers tend to struggle are the quieter moments or things like "love themes" or things of that nature and that's an area Faulconer especially falls short. He's not a well rounded composer. He only excels in certain areas. For instance how well do you think Faulconer would've done with the original Dragon Ball series compared to the music that's already there?

[Lamp]

I'm more of a 'Sanjou!! Ginyu Tokusentai!' guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpcL--3BHZ4 Oh those zany Ginyus

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tas7284 eredeti hozzászólása:

SNIP (you should snip long quotes if you can by the way, just to save space)

I already stated some of his goofy stuff wasn't very favored, even by myself. However there are some themes (like Earth Theme) that he did that fit those quieter moments perfectly well. Such as the Guru Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUIkfzEByWY
Which is just fine for those peaceful moments and would fit right in while they're chillin' at Bulma's, or even in a town in some RPG game, etc. He has quite a few of these types of tracks.

The lack of silence (which I can agree can be jarring sometimes) doesn't really apply to this discussion, as that has to do with editing and may not have been his work in the first place (not sure, but still irrelevant). There are also some funky edits and cuts in his scores also, as I have admitted, but as a whole they still hold up very well on the merits of how well they personify the scene or situation, which is again what music is all about.

There were also a few others I've mentioned, such as Namek's Destruction, which is more of a visual org@sm of a dying planet rather than "extreme action", and yet the theme he created is eerily somber and still feels apocalyptic. Again, music is about inspiring the desired emotion based on the subject matter, and Falconer's does it perfectly.

Namek Destruction theme again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fzOPp4dSQo

I also listed regular character themes (as you mentioned are always used to compare, the reason being that unlike the original music, nearly every chatacter got his/her own theme), which were in no way battle scores or anything you'd mentioned. Even something like Goku's Sacrifice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVBYmO9axY
Heartfelt, sad, yet heroic. Despite simple.

Again, difficulty is irrelevant when it comes to themes. The real hardship comes from having an ear for when said themes become relevant to maximize the emotional effect inspired by the subject matter. Falconer's again, does this very well. So I can't really agree that he only excels in action themes, as I have posted at least 5 of his many that are not action-based and still personifies the situation, characters, and emotion of the scene perfectly.

Holding his "misses" for lack of a better term against his plethora of music (the guy has at least 6 volumes of CDs for DBZ, each of which has over 20 tracks, as well as like 4 other CDs for specials and the like) is asinine (no offense intended) as every single artist in history has good and bad music, including the original DBZ score. As a complete package, Falconer did more, better, in my opinion even though both versions had good and bad tracks.

[LilLulu]

It has to be Pikkon's theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMq9S_CHsWg

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Pikkon's theme!!! THAT'S THE ONE I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR!!!! Finally, thank you. That's the one during the Goten Trunks World Tournament fight that I consider one of the best and couldn't figure out what the damn thing was called.

Definitely an awesome theme, and makes awesome fighting music too. Made the filler that much more badass!