Build for melee Super Saiyan?

[LaMugre]

I'm clearly going to put everything into Melee Attack, but i was wondering what would be better, more kii for longer super saiyan or More stamina for melee fighting and blinking away mid combo. Any sugestions?

[Ryu Kazaar]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pax Augusta:

If you really want to dominate as melee, Frieza race or Namekians are better for that. Saiyans are just okay. Their strength is SSJ which doesn't necessarily relate to melee as the stat bossts are laughable.

Yup and any race can use Kaioken, so iv been told

[redeyedraven]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LaMugre:

more kii for longer super saiyan or More stamina for melee fighting and blinking away mid combo. Any sugestions?

Just try out one or the other. In case it doesn't turn out to be to your liking, you can just use the dragonball-respec. If you don't want to use the wish for a respec, build up ki and stamina equally and go with the double-edged blade.

[Done25]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pax Augusta:

If you really want to dominate as melee, Frieza race or Namekians are better for that. Saiyans are just okay. Their strength is SSJ which doesn't necessarily relate to melee as the stat boosts are laughable.

Freeza clan are fast, and Namekians are durable, but neither match the raw punching power of a male Saiyan.

[R3sistance]

remember that body size affects stats on top of Gender and Race. I don't think Saiyan is the best melee race tho, all races get Kaioken and that gives by far the best melee damage output whereas super saiyan gives less damage (than kaioken, let alone x3 or x20) but super saiyan gives infinite ki and some damage reduction to damage taken... this means that Saiyans are very good at standing still spamming ki abilities... and being a thin female saiyan makes you better at it still.

[brentaro]

Being able to vanish and extend your basic attack combos is definitely worth it in Kaioken x20. However, stamina drains so fast, it's not worth getting skills that replenish your stamina. The best characters for melee are Saiyan Males after revive\low health and Human Males with full ki. Since the game counts it as a loss if you're by yourself, even if you have senzu bean extract, Human male seems like the better choice.

[Hindsight Mercury]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Done25:

I would advise
Health - 100
Ki - 30
Stamina - 0
Basic - 100
Strike - 0
Ki - 0

Male Saiyans have the WROST Super attack values in the game, while also having the strongest basic attacks. The only Supers I would suggest using are Recoome Kick and Ki/Hyper Drain.

In other words, if you're not punching their face in then you're doing it wrong.

Higher health also helps with surviving at critical HP, which gives you X1.20 damage.

I respect your build but, being a pure melee Saiyan build, I respectfully disagree.

The four areas that are crucial are Health for obvious reasons, Stamina for evasive/defensive techniques so you don't get a combo loop of death against someone with monster stamina who can constantly vanish and counter your combos, Basic again for obvious and Ki for strike supers, strike ultimates and the SSJ form itself.

I would also argue that Male Saiyans do not have the worst Super attack values in the game, but that's only because most of my strike supers, Meteor Rush, Victory Rush, All Clear, etc. take a nice, healthy chunk of damage. But that's from my own experience. The only thing I can verify is that Male Saiyans have low health starting off. Recoome Kick and Ki/Hyper Drain are good but I would recommend those I previously listed as well as the large category of Strike Supers that are not only beneficial against single opponents, but groups of people.

Punching them in the face is good, yes. But if you ignore the best advice Piccolo can give, "DODGE!", then you'll be done in a fight pretty quick because striking is only half the battle. The other half is mastering evasive manuevers such as vanish and instant transmission as well as mastering movement so that you can brush off those pesky ki blast volleys that your opponent or the AI try to drown you in (Anyone who has braved the Bardock Mission understands this)

I completely agree with the critical HP boost, though. That can help in a pinch.

Honestly, this is just my take on it but for me it's been working so far in PQs and Story Missions. Also, the constituents of the Flight Suit and the Time Patroller's clothes are some of the best in the game for melee boosts. I use a combination of the two for style preference.

Glad there are others who want a pure melee build for their Saiyans! Be smart with your stats, consider all boosts in terms of clothing and natural leveling as well as different items that can put different situations in your favor. Good luck!

[Done25]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sadiska:

I respect your build but, being a pure melee Saiyan build, I respectfully disagree.

I would also argue that Male Saiyans do not have the worst Super attack values in the game...

What? No. I litterally mean that Male Saiyans have the WORST Super values in the game.

Base Ki Super Multiplier for each race
Female Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Female Majin = 22.1%
Male Human = 21.4%
Frieza = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20.0%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Ki Super Multiplier (no gear)
Female Human = 132.3%
Female Sayan = 120%
Female Majin = 117.9%
Male Human = 114.1%
Frieza Race = 110.4%
Male Majin = 106.7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Sayan = 90.1%

A Female Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Ki move.

Base Strike Super Multiplier per race
Male Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Frieza = 22.1%
Female Human = 21.4%
Female Majin = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Strike Super Multiplier (no gear)
Male Human = 132.3%
Female Saiyan = 120.%
Frieza = 117,9%
Female Human = 114,1%
Female Majin = 110,4%
Male Majin = 106,7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Saiyan = 90.1 %

A Male Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Strike move.

[Hindsight Mercury]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Done25:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sadiska:

I respect your build but, being a pure melee Saiyan build, I respectfully disagree.

I would also argue that Male Saiyans do not have the worst Super attack values in the game...

What? No. I litterally mean that Male Saiyans have the WORST Super values in the game.

Base Ki Super Multiplier for each race
Female Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Female Majin = 22.1%
Male Human = 21.4%
Frieza = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20.0%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Ki Super Multiplier (no gear)
Female Human = 132.3%
Female Sayan = 120%
Female Majin = 117.9%
Male Human = 114.1%
Frieza Race = 110.4%
Male Majin = 106.7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Sayan = 90.1%

A Female Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Ki move.

Base Strike Super Multiplier per race
Male Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Frieza = 22.1%
Female Human = 21.4%
Female Majin = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Strike Super Multiplier (no gear)
Male Human = 132.3%
Female Saiyan = 120.%
Frieza = 117,9%
Female Human = 114,1%
Female Majin = 110,4%
Male Majin = 106,7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Saiyan = 90.1 %

A Male Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Strike move.

Good ♥♥♥♥. Nothing makes me more happy than to see the numbers.

Also, Female Saiyans. What are you guys on? Makes me wonder if Fasha could've kicked Bardock's ass.

[glaphen]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sadiska:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Done25:

What? No. I litterally mean that Male Saiyans have the WORST Super values in the game.

Base Ki Super Multiplier for each race
Female Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Female Majin = 22.1%
Male Human = 21.4%
Frieza = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20.0%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Ki Super Multiplier (no gear)
Female Human = 132.3%
Female Sayan = 120%
Female Majin = 117.9%
Male Human = 114.1%
Frieza Race = 110.4%
Male Majin = 106.7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Sayan = 90.1%

A Female Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Ki move.

Base Strike Super Multiplier per race
Male Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Frieza = 22.1%
Female Human = 21.4%
Female Majin = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Strike Super Multiplier (no gear)
Male Human = 132.3%
Female Saiyan = 120.%
Frieza = 117,9%
Female Human = 114,1%
Female Majin = 110,4%
Male Majin = 106,7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Saiyan = 90.1 %

A Male Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Strike move.

Good ♥♥♥♥. Nothing makes me more happy than to see the numbers.

Also, Female Saiyans. What are you guys on? Makes me wonder if Fasha could've kicked Bardock's ass.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/805627-dragon-ball-xenoverse/71344723

[Hindsight Mercury]

Many thanks. More numbers!

[Done25]

Yea. Male Saiyans don't want SSJ for the damage boost/endless Ki, they want it for the long sustainable speed boost it gives. Because, unlike Kaioken, it wont ruin their Stamina unless they run out of Ki.

[Hindsight Mercury]

That's weird. I never really used it for the speed boost. I use it for some extra damage in my basic strikes.

[Done25]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sadiska:

That's weird. I never really used it for the speed boost. I use it for some extra damage in my basic strikes.

The +2% damage is negligible. The +10% move/flight speed however, is a lifesavers for the slow Saiyans. (+15% speed for SSJ2)

[†Cross†]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Done25:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sadiska:

That's weird. I never really used it for the speed boost. I use it for some extra damage in my basic strikes.

The +2% damage is negligible. The +10% move/flight speed however, is a lifesavers for the slow Saiyans. (+15% speed for SSJ2)

Don't for get the -10% dmg taken SSJ1-2 gives you and -10% Ki dmg taken SV1-2 gives you.

but yeah saiyans really aint the best of the best in the game,and thats fine with me. Unless you count never ending supers and thats only good vs the AI.

[Ryu Kazaar]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Done25:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sadiska:

I respect your build but, being a pure melee Saiyan build, I respectfully disagree.

I would also argue that Male Saiyans do not have the worst Super attack values in the game...

What? No. I litterally mean that Male Saiyans have the WORST Super values in the game.

Base Ki Super Multiplier for each race
Female Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Female Majin = 22.1%
Male Human = 21.4%
Frieza = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20.0%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Ki Super Multiplier (no gear)
Female Human = 132.3%
Female Sayan = 120%
Female Majin = 117.9%
Male Human = 114.1%
Frieza Race = 110.4%
Male Majin = 106.7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Sayan = 90.1%

A Female Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Ki move.

Base Strike Super Multiplier per race
Male Human = 24.8%
Female Saiyan = 22.5%
Frieza = 22.1%
Female Human = 21.4%
Female Majin = 20.7%
Male Majin = 20%
Namekian = 19.1%
Male Saiyan = 16.9%

Level 80 Strike Super Multiplier (no gear)
Male Human = 132.3%
Female Saiyan = 120.%
Frieza = 117,9%
Female Human = 114,1%
Female Majin = 110,4%
Male Majin = 106,7%
Namekian = 102%
Male Saiyan = 90.1 %

A Male Human will deal 46% more damage than a Male Saiyan using the same Strike move.

You seem to understand a lot about this lol could you tell me what Race/Gender comes closest to 60% Base Melee 40% Super strike balanced? No super strikes or them doing very low damage is just boring but I do get that base melee is more important.