I Feel SSJ4 Goku Would Destroy SSJGod Goku

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My Reason Is Because SSJGod Goku Got His Butt Kicked The Whole Movie By Beerus

[TheMetalCorpser]

Postat inițial de Pax Augusta:

Not at all actually. Whoever said Vegeta doesn't become a SSJ God as well? I don't want to say anymore on that topic as that is leading into spoiler territory. All I will say is it will make more sense in a month.

Then type it but cover it with the spoiler bars - as far as I can tell there was never any mention of Vegeta ever reaching it hell he never could reach SSJ3.

[Callyste]

Postat inițial de Finn:

U PPL THINK VEGETA HARMED HIM? ALL VEGETA DID WAS CATCH HIM OFF GUARD CAUSE BEERUS DIDNT RELIZE HOW STRONG HE GOT WHEN HE SLAPPED BULMA.. IF U WATCHED THE REST OF THE MOVIE UD SEE HE GET OWNED BY BEERUS

Y U SHOUTING?

[Ralen]

Postat inițial de UnbornCorpser:

Postat inițial de Pax Augusta:

Not at all actually. Whoever said Vegeta doesn't become a SSJ God as well? I don't want to say anymore on that topic as that is leading into spoiler territory. All I will say is it will make more sense in a month.

Then type it but cover it with the spoiler bars - as far as I can tell there was never any mention of Vegeta ever reaching it hell he never could reach SSJ3.

From what we have heard of the script for Resurrection of F, it appears Vegeta will reach SSJ God in the film to fight Frieza. Vegeta is also supposed to play a more central role in the film unlike in Battle of Gods. If this is all accurate and true in a month, that would explain why SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta are relatively equal because they have both absorbed the god power. That also explains why nobody else in GT is able to do anything because Goku and Vegeta are actually on an entirely different level of power.

As far as SSJ3 is concerned, it is a lost art. Not to mention, the transformation literally destroys your body upon learning how to use it. This is how Goku learned the transformation as he was taught it by ancient warriors in otherworld and his body could take the strain as he was already dead.

Also, Vegeta was able to increase his power level as a SSJ2 beyond Goku's SSJ3, so it's not as if he needs to know the transformation. SSJ3 is by far the least efficient and most worthless of the transformations. Well, SSJ God might give it a run for its money, but the benefit with that transformation is retaining the power you learn from it.

[ZTr00p3r]

Postat inițial de Pax Augusta:

Postat inițial de Tenshu:

That'd make sense if Toriyama hadn't stated GT is more of a side story. The way he puts it makes the timeline like a Zelda timeline.

Toriyama called GT a side story because it was a sequel to his manga. He has never stated GT was not official, or "non-canon," contrary to popular belief. GT is not a "what if" scenario or any other such nonsense. It is a part of the Dragon Ball Universe as much as the original or Z. The only difference is it was not a manga originally and Toriyama did not write it. He did, however, come up with the name and draw the designs for all the main characters.

You do know that side story is =/= sequel

[ZTr00p3r]

Postat inițial de Neiker:

Postat inițial de Kyuzo:

beerus said goku at base wouldn't be able to take on frieza so... what does that tell us?

hope he has learned new stuff in hell then.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yNlPL9unj0#t=95

wouldnt want the new movie to last 2 minutes wouldnt we?

but that was mystic/ultimate gohan

[Ralen]

Postat inițial de Z0n3 :P:

You do know that side story is =/= sequel

Not generally, but in the case of GT, that's exactly what it is.

A side story typically is one that runs concurrent with the original story, but usually from a different perspective or focusing on different events during the original. Obviously, GT is not running concurrent with DB or DBZ. It, in fact, is actually a sequel to DBZ.

Thus, in this case, GT is a side story and a sequel. Really it's Toriyama's fault for using the term. He used that phrase as a means of trying to explain that it wasn't his story, but it was part of the main story. It would have been better for him to say it was an expansion or an addition to his original story.

[Callyste]

Postat inițial de Pax Augusta:

Postat inițial de Z0n3 :P:

You do know that side story is =/= sequel

Not generally, but in the case of GT, that's exactly what it is.

A side story typically is one that runs concurrent with the original story, but usually from a different perspective or focusing on different events during the original. Obviously, GT is not running concurrent with DB or DBZ. It, in fact, is actually a sequel to DBZ.

Thus, in this case, GT is a side story and a sequel. Really it's Toriyama's fault for using the term. He used that phrase as a means of trying to explain that it wasn't his story, but it was part of the main story. It would have been better for him to say it was an expansion or an addition to his original story.

"Spin-off" would fit the description.

[Ralen]

Postat inițial de Callyste:

"Spin-off" would fit the description.

In most cases I would agree, but even that phrase is not entirely accurate. A spin-off, like a side story, suggests that you are focusing on a new protagonist and a different set of events in that same world or universe. GT has the same protagonist, Goku, who has been the protagonist since the original Dragon Ball.

GT is also dealing with issues that culminated from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z (build up of dark energy in dragon balls as one example due to wishes in the previous shows), so to say it's a "spin-off" would also be misleading. Because of the continuity between the three series (end of Z Goku starts training Uub; beginning of GT Goku completes training Uub) and because of the focus on the same protagonist, it is in every sense a true sequel.

[Master Blaster]

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Postat inițial de Neiker:

What base do you have to say SSJ4 is stronger? you dont even know how much power one gets from becoming a god...We dont have suficient material from SSJG to say if its weaker or stronger than SSJ4.

The basis is that SSJ4 is a multiplier like all the other transformations. SSJ God was a transformation that Goku retained most of its power after it wore off. It doesn't matter how powerful Goku became, because becoming a SSJ4 would then multiply his base power, of which was increased by SSJ God. Thus, SSJ4 Goku is more powerful because his powerful is being multiplied on top of what he retained from the SSJ God transformation.

In other words, SSJ God has a static power level. SSJ4 does not as it is determined by the base power level of the user like the other transformations. Thus, the power level of a SSJ4 is limitless, where SSJ God's power can never increase because he is already a "god."

Goku didn't retain most of its power, even Beerus comments that Goku's body "learned" from fighting as a god and retained some of its power, its still not near Beerus's level though, also doesn't Goku SSJ4's and Gogeta SSJ4 feed off positive emotions or something for the bases of his attacks? Beerus is a god and from what we understand they use a different kind of Ki, and exhaustable supply, even if Goku managed to knock him around a bit its only a waiting game for Beerus.

[Ralen]

Postat inițial de Master Blaster:

Goku didn't retain most of its power, even Beerus comments that Goku's body "learned" from fighting as a god and retained some of its power, its still not near Beerus's level though, also doesn't Goku SSJ4's and Gogeta SSJ4 feed off positive emotions or something for the bases of his attacks? Beerus is a god and from what we understand they use a different kind of Ki, and exhaustable supply, even if Goku managed to knock him around a bit its only a waiting game for Beerus.

He actually does retain most of its power. If he didn't, the tide of the battle would have been quickly turned against Goku, yet he is able to hold his own just as well when he was in SSJ God form.

Goku is able to force Beerus to fight at 70%. That's quite impressive considering Goku couldn't even land a hit on him previously. The only thing we know about god ki is it's apparently not detectable by normal means. That doesn't necessarily make it superior to normal ki, just different.

[Master Blaster]

Did Beerus even state how much of his power he is using? I know Goku said he was only fighting at 80%, Beerus said something about not even fighting nearly at his full power.

[nakaVS]

I bet the ppl who think GT is canon actually feel the English dub for Z is good, lol.

[Kinichie]

It's heavily implied that Lord Beerus didn't even go beyond 70% of his power even against the God form. However we have little comparison of how powerful the God form is against any other form. We only know that until Lord Beerus fought Goku in the God form, he managed to no contest Goku as a Super Saiyan 3, Majin Buu and the fusion (though not a Super Saiyan 3) Gotenks.

Meanwhile, Goku in his Super Saiyan 3 form (although it didn't last long because of his child status) managed to at least fight with Baby Vegeta for a short while, then completely dominate Baby Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 4.

Depending on how powerful the Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta was compared to Lord Beerus is probably the answer to which form is more powerful. But, with the fact that the sole benchmark was based on the Super Saiyan 3 fights between Goku and Baby Vegeta/Lord Beerus and the power gain of the next forms, the God would appear to be more powerful.

[Master Blaster]

I actually thought the eng dub for Beerus was pretty damn good, I like the VA.

[nakaVS]

Postat inițial de Master Blaster:

I actually thought the eng dub for Beerus was pretty damn good, I like the VA.

I haven't watched any movies since the first brolly, so no comment. The dub for the Z series is hilariously cheap and low quality however.