So what exactly is canon for Dragon Ball?

[Ciciro]

I was always of the opinion that if it was not in the original manga, then it was not canon. Is this the correct line of thinking or not?

[Ptah Hotep]

Origineel geplaatst door Ramza:

canon for me ends with cell saga but everyone has there own opinion

I'd Have to agree with this statement; starting from the Original Dragonball and ending with the Cell Saga all events were part of a continuous story arch. Goku goes to train with Master Roshi, Goku must fight the Demon King Piccolo with master Roshi who killed Master Roshi's master, Goku must ally with Piccolo to face a more global threat, and so forth. Everything was connected and moved like one smooth story. Even the Cell Saga made sense, it was the ultimate genetic combination of everything thus far. It was the perfect ending. After the Cell Saga nothing is connected in the same way as before; in fact I'd argue that it took away from the previous conception we already had (i.e the supreme kai).
(We already had a Grand Kai! Now they have a Kai for everything)

[TheMetalCorpser]

Origineel geplaatst door Ptah Hotep:

I'd Have to agree with this statement; starting from the Original Dragonball and ending with the Cell Saga all events were part of a continuous story arch. Goku goes to train with Master Roshi, Goku must fight the Demon King Piccolo with master Roshi who killed Master Roshi's master, Goku must ally with Piccolo to face a more global threat, and so forth. Everything was connected and moved like one smooth story. Even the Cell Saga made sense, it was the ultimate genetic combination of everything thus far. It was the perfect ending. After the Cell Saga nothing is connected in the same way as before; in fact I'd argue that it took away from the previous conception we already had (i.e the supreme kai).
(We already had a Grand Kai! Now they have a Kai for everything)

Just because you two, and possibly others, don't see it as canon doesn't mean that it isn't. But it is your view.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Genuinely Canon is...
Sayian Saga
Namek Saga
Android Saga
Buu Saga
Bardock Manga (not the movie)
Also this android from another series, is part of the DB universe

Non Canon
GT
Movies

Basically anything isn't GT is usual answer... because GT was terrible.

[Redblaze27]

Well, the entire Manga run in canon, Counting 'Dragon Ball Minus'.
So most of the original Dragon Ball anime & Dragon Ball Z Kai in anime form.
Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F are also canon as far as movies are concerned.
'Jaco: The Intergalactic Patrolman' is also canon for spin-off material.

A common misconception is 'Bardock: The Father of Goku' is canon when its not. Dragon Ball Minus retconned that signifigantly.

[Runebird]

Canon is what doesn't disrupt the Canon. Canon is not what does contradict the Canon. Canon contradicts the Canon.

Ie: Bardock (In Dragon Ball Minus and I would argue the time travel stuff) should be Canon because it doesn't impact the story just explains what was mentioned in the history, Lord Slug movie is not Canon because it contradicts the Canon Super Saiyan, and Piccalo contradicts the Canon but is Canon anyway (demons have fangs and blood and born from evil human hearts but are magicaly actualy Slug aliens but one of them happens to also be a demon but not a demon but a god but not a god and for some reason a species that survives solely on water has fangs because Raisons.

[mimizukari]

Origineel geplaatst door Ottomic:

Origineel geplaatst door epsilon Rose:

it is BS, akira did oversee GT, and it is canon, anyone who believe's otherwise is pretty damn ignorant. the community doesn't decide what's canon, the content creator does, GT, BOG, FUKKATSU, HISTORY OF TRUNKS, and DBZ KAI are canon as far as anime goes.

Origineel geplaatst door tvtropes:

The Dragon Ball Z movie Battle of the Gods effectively retcons Dragon Ball GT by having Pilaf and his crew be children again as a result of a poorly worded wish on the Dragon Balls. Akira Toriyama himself called GT a "wonderful side story", which is a polite way of saying it didn't happen, long before Battle of Gods was even imagined.

sauce[tvtropes.org]

LOL, tv tropes.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Origineel geplaatst door Pyro Penguin:

as far as im concerned, if i saw it, then it happened, idc if the timing on some of the movies doesnt fit perfectly with the main story

if the reason they left out so many characters from movies is because they aren't 'canon' then that is friggin disappointing, im just gonna hope for them in dlc

That logic of non-canon wouldn't fit since they have GT characters in here.

[cowbell]

Origineel geplaatst door Redblaze27:

Well, the entire Manga run in canon, Counting 'Dragon Ball Minus'.
So most of the original Dragon Ball anime & Dragon Ball Z Kai in anime form.
Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F are also canon as far as movies are concerned.
'Jaco: The Intergalactic Patrolman' is also canon for spin-off material.

A common misconception is 'Bardock: The Father of Goku' is canon when its not. Dragon Ball Minus retconned that signifigantly.

Minus retcons all the stuff that happened after Dragon Ball from existing. Raditz did not say that Goku came to Earth to learn Martial Arts, he was to depopulate the planet. This is stated in the manga.
If DBM is canon, Raditz would not have gone to Earth. Freezer would not know about any Dragon Balls.

[L-laine]

This is the only canon I've managed to find correct over the years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b0oQkjup4Q

[AustNerevar]

Origineel geplaatst door Spirit of Bardock:

Origineel geplaatst door Sayla Massochist:

I can tell you that GT should not be considered canon as Akira Toriyama, the creator of the series, had nothing to do with its creation besides some rough character designs. The movies have various degrees of canon. Bardock, Father of Goku is considered canon while Broly: The legendary Super Saiyan is not. History of Trunks is considered canon. Etcetera.

In general anything related to GT is not canon. The movies its up to you to decide which are canon if any.

Ok i'm gonna have to call BS on the GT not being canon and for Akira not doing anything besides making skkethes. As of Battle of Gods, any spin off that comes from the Dragonball universe is considered canon. GT is canon, however, it's in a different universe, Beerus said there were 12 universes in total. As for Akira, he was also part of helping make a storyline for GT, yes he did make sketches for SS4 Goku, but it isn't all he did.

Guys....GT isn't canon anymore. Toriyama himself declared it not canon when Dragon Ball Online launched. DBO takes the place of GT and decanonizes it. I can't believe people are still having this discussion as this happened several years ago.

[Redblaze27]

Origineel geplaatst door cowbell:

Origineel geplaatst door Redblaze27:

Well, the entire Manga run in canon, Counting 'Dragon Ball Minus'.
So most of the original Dragon Ball anime & Dragon Ball Z Kai in anime form.
Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F are also canon as far as movies are concerned.
'Jaco: The Intergalactic Patrolman' is also canon for spin-off material.

A common misconception is 'Bardock: The Father of Goku' is canon when its not. Dragon Ball Minus retconned that signifigantly.

Minus retcons all the stuff that happened after Dragon Ball from existing. Raditz did not say that Goku came to Earth to learn Martial Arts, he was to depopulate the planet. This is stated in the manga.
If DBM is canon, Raditz would not have gone to Earth. Freezer would not know about any Dragon Balls.

How? Raditz and Bardock never had a chance to talk between then & Planet Vegeta blowing up. It'd only be natural for Raditz to assume he was sent to destroy.

[cowbell]

Origineel geplaatst door Redblaze27:

Origineel geplaatst door cowbell:

Minus retcons all the stuff that happened after Dragon Ball from existing. Raditz did not say that Goku came to Earth to learn Martial Arts, he was to depopulate the planet. This is stated in the manga.
If DBM is canon, Raditz would not have gone to Earth. Freezer would not know about any Dragon Balls.

How? Raditz and Bardock never had a chance to talk between then & Planet Vegeta blowing up. It'd only be natural for Raditz to assume he was sent to destroy.

How would Raditz know where to look if they never talked? This was spur of the moment and not sanctioned by whatever Freezer's organization was, which would let Raditz know.

[Redblaze27]

Origineel geplaatst door cowbell:

Origineel geplaatst door Redblaze27:

How? Raditz and Bardock never had a chance to talk between then & Planet Vegeta blowing up. It'd only be natural for Raditz to assume he was sent to destroy.

How would Raditz know where to look if they never talked? This was spur of the moment and not sanctioned by whatever Freezer's organization was, which would let Raditz know.

Well, i'd assume whatever reason would explain why Raditz took so long to look for his brother.

[cowbell]

You don't even know?

[TheMetalCorpser]

Origineel geplaatst door cowbell:

You don't even know?

Raditz was taking the time to make himself look pretty for when he met Kakarot I mean look at how nice his hair was. And his boots looked so lovely. :P