Which is the best race and class for tank?

[Orexin]

Which is the best race and class for tank?

[ZonerRoamer]

Ze Alicorn님이 먼저 게시:

ummmm dont use war for tanking tera is rebuffing zerkers to tank soo pls just dont use wars for tanking when you have too metel classes to choose from

Wut?

Warriors have more endurance than lancers and are a full fledged tank class while zerker is only meant to tank the easier instances.

After the buff Warriors are gonna be better than lancers for the most part for tanking making them the best tank in the game.

Also someone mentioned that warrriors are "evasive tanks"; they are not; they block too like lancers but have the OPTION to evade attacks if they dont wanna block or if the attack is unavoidable.

TLDR;
OP Lancer and Warrior are both excellent tanks; Zerk (after the Zerk tank patch) is meant to be an offtank for easier instances and not the Hard mode instances.

Also Elin Lancer is much faster than other races. Elin and Casta Fem warrior are around the same with Elin having a slight advantage.

[Wolf Echo]

Zoner Roamer님이 먼저 게시:

Also someone mentioned that warrriors are "evasive tanks"; they are not; they block too like lancers but have the OPTION to evade attacks if they dont wanna block or if the attack is unavoidable.

No, the can't block, at least not as well as a Lancer or Zerk (which has a theoretically infinite block if done right). Warriors DO NOT have a dedicated block skill anywhere near the same caliber as that of Lancers or Zerks. Defensive Stance does not count as all it does is raise Endurance and help generate Aggro a little, which is not the same as BLOCKING and Cross Parry requires Defensive Stance. The entire point of the Warrior is to move fast and DODGE, this means that as a tank they are designed to hit fast, generate some aggro and then EVADE as much as possible while holding that aggro.

Saying they're gonna be "the best tanks in the game" is ignorant, as they only have TWO skills that are meant to draw aggro in the same manner as a Lancer, which has several skills AND attacks that can either draw much more aggro by default OR be glyphed to do so, where as the Warrior doesn't.

Also Elin Lancer is much faster than other races. Elin and Casta Fem warrior are around the same with Elin having a slight advantage.

Again, NO. Elin are NOT faster than other races, they do not have faster attacks OR cast times and they do not have a longer range. This is false information, stop spreading it around as if it's fact.

[Xiwang]

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Again, NO. Elin are NOT faster than other races, they do not have faster attacks OR cast times and they do not have a longer range. This is false information, stop spreading it around as if it's fact.

i agree, you feel like they hit faster or run because they are small, its like the gnomes from wow, they seems to be faster than other races, but not. my elin lancer was slowest than my male aman lancer, at least it feel like that.

[Wolf Echo]

Zeiferl님이 먼저 게시:

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Again, NO. Elin are NOT faster than other races, they do not have faster attacks OR cast times and they do not have a longer range. This is false information, stop spreading it around as if it's fact.

i agree, you feel like they hit faster or run because they are small, its like the gnomes from wow, they seems to be faster than other races, but not. my elin lancer was slowest than my male aman lancer, at least it feel like that.

Apparently a bunch of people did "research" (and I use the term VERY loosely) on this and claim that the Elin have a 2-4 meter advantage over all other races in range and shorter cast times... except they forget that range and cast times are class dependent, not racial and that making them a racial bonus unbalances the game since there'd be no point to playing anything other than an Elin.

And then there's the fact that the hitboxes are almost identical for all races, so even their small size doesn't help much when avoid hits.

[Bernkastel]

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Zoner Roamer님이 먼저 게시:

Also someone mentioned that warrriors are "evasive tanks"; they are not; they block too like lancers but have the OPTION to evade attacks if they dont wanna block or if the attack is unavoidable.

No, the can't block, at least not as well as a Lancer or Zerk (which has a theoretically infinite block if done right). Warriors DO NOT have a dedicated block skill anywhere near the same caliber as that of Lancers or Zerks. Defensive Stance does not count as all it does is raise Endurance and help generate Aggro a little, which is not the same as BLOCKING and Cross Parry requires Defensive Stance. The entire point of the Warrior is to move fast and DODGE, this means that as a tank they are designed to hit fast, generate some aggro and then EVADE as much as possible while holding that aggro.

Saying they're gonna be "the best tanks in the game" is ignorant, as they only have TWO skills that are meant to draw aggro in the same manner as a Lancer, which has several skills AND attacks that can either draw much more aggro by default OR be glyphed to do so, where as the Warrior doesn't.

Also Elin Lancer is much faster than other races. Elin and Casta Fem warrior are around the same with Elin having a slight advantage.

Again, NO. Elin are NOT faster than other races, they do not have faster attacks OR cast times and they do not have a longer range. This is false information, stop spreading it around as if it's fact.

Do you even play warriors? Dodge tanking was before cross parry was added 2 years ago; you should almost never dodge tank, because it turns the boss in awkward directions and screws your team DPS. With glyphed D-stance, warriors have more defense than lancers, making them the tankiest class in the game. Cross parry is just as good as lancer block, except it has a 1 second CD, so actually takes player skill to use properly.

After the buff in a month or two, warriors will be top tier in DPS and hands down the best tank in the game. They already generate more aggro than lancers, after infuriate, block chain into BD and CD removal on block, they'll simply be amazing tanks.

Elins do have longer reach on lancers and zerkers. This had been proven, you can go check the animation files in the game yourself.

[Bernkastel]

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Zeiferl님이 먼저 게시:

i agree, you feel like they hit faster or run because they are small, its like the gnomes from wow, they seems to be faster than other races, but not. my elin lancer was slowest than my male aman lancer, at least it feel like that.

Apparently a bunch of people did "research" (and I use the term VERY loosely) on this and claim that the Elin have a 2-4 meter advantage over all other races in range and shorter cast times... except they forget that range and cast times are class dependent, not racial and that making them a racial bonus unbalances the game since there'd be no point to playing anything other than an Elin.

And then there's the fact that the hitboxes are almost identical for all races, so even their small size doesn't help much when avoid hits.

Hitbox, travel distance, collision box are different for every race and class combination. For example, Castanic female slayers have much faster first combo attack than Elins, while Elins have longer range on fury strike. On warriors CastF have faster RoB and longer stagger counter reach, but shorter travel distance than Elins on rising fury and combative strike. Elin zerk master race, almost 2m longer than some races on TS.

Hitbox size between a baraka (largest) and a popo (smallest) is significantly different, you can test this yourself by using a projectile based attack like archer or mystic basic attack.

[Wolf Echo]

xEmptiness님이 먼저 게시:

Do you even play warriors? Dodge tanking was before cross parry was added 2 years ago; you should almost never dodge tank, because it turns the boss in awkward directions and screws your team DPS. With glyphed D-stance, warriors have more endurance than lancers, making them the tankiest class in the game. Cross parry is just as good as lancer block, except it has a 1 second CD, so actually takes player skill to use properly.

After the buff in a month or two, warriors will be top tier in DPS and hands down the best tank in the game. They already generate more aggro than lancers, after infuriate and CD removal on block, they'll simply be amazing tanks.

Again, compare the aggro draw potential of a Warrior to a Lancer and the Warrior comes up short. Congrats, Cross Parry has a 1sec CD, you still have to be in Defensive Stance to use it which costs you dps, which is by and large the only way Warrior holds aggro properly.

I'm glad you like tanking on a Warrior, that still doesn't mean they're better at it than a Lancer which is designed PURELY to tank and has the skills to pull it off. There is a reason the GAME ITSELF calls Warriors "EVASION Tanks".

Also, for the Warrior buff, those changes are not currently in effect outside KTERA. When they go love here, then yes, Warriors will be decent tanks again, but they will not be better than a Lancer. They basically get ONE new skill, an increase in base Resolve and Cross Parry gets no CD... woo-hoo. You;re still lacking the aggro generation that Lancers have already.

Elins do have longer reach on lancers and zerkers. This had been proven, you can go check the animation files in the game yourself.

FFS, NO, they do NOT. I've seen those videos, I've looked at the "research" people have done, it only LOOKS like they do. They are smaller, meaning they appear to cover more ground when compared to the larger races. You're also ignoring the other factors of combat in TERA, such as how you tend to move around quite a lot, meaning that in the microseconds between attack animations your character can move enough to make it appear to have an advantage over others in terms of reach during the full basic attack chain.

Stop spreading BS information as "fact". It just confuses new players. No race in TERA has ANY clear advantage over the others, in fact race is basically a COSMETIC option in TERA.

[Bun]

Simple question.
Baraka is prefered 'cos of their full heal racial[tera.wikia.com]. Warriors are better at dodging attacks but Lancers are better at absorbing them. There is no "best" tank because it all depends on the encounter. Sometimes one is better than the other depending on boss.

[Bernkastel]

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Again, compare the aggro draw potential of a Warrior to a Lancer and the Warrior comes up short. Congrats, Cross Parry has a 1sec CD, you still have to be in Defensive Stance to use it which costs you dps, which is by and large the only way Warrior holds aggro properly.

Lancer DPS and D-stance warrior DPS right now is comparable. After the warrior buffs soon, D-stance warriors will outDPS lancers when tanking.

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

I'm glad you like tanking on a Warrior, that still doesn't mean they're better at it than a Lancer which is designed PURELY to tank and has the skills to pull it off. There is a reason the GAME ITSELF calls Warriors "EVASION Tanks".

It's called evasive tank because they haven't updated the 2 year old tooltip. No respectable warrior tanks right now would do any kind of evasive tanking. Why waste 400 RE on rolling away from an attack when I can tap block and spend 10 RE?

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Also, for the Warrior buff, those changes are not currently in effect outside KTERA. When they go love here, then yes, Warriors will be decent tanks again, but they will not be better than a Lancer. They basically get ONE new skill, an increase in base Resolve and Cross Parry gets no CD... woo-hoo. You;re still lacking the aggro generation that Lancers have already.

It's common knowledge that skilled warrior tanks already outaggros skilled lancers. This had been factual since more than a year ago.

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Elins do have longer reach on lancers and zerkers. This had been proven, you can go check the animation files in the game yourself.

FFS, NO, they do NOT. I've seen those videos, I've looked at the "research" people have done, it only LOOKS like they do. They are smaller, meaning they appear to cover more ground when compared to the larger races. You're also ignoring the other factors of combat in TERA, such as how you tend to move around quite a lot, meaning that in the microseconds between attack animations your character can move enough to make it appear to have an advantage over others in terms of reach during the full basic attack chain.

Stop spreading BS information as "fact". It just confuses new players. No race in TERA has ANY clear advantage over the others, in fact race is basically a COSMETIC option in TERA.

I told you, go read the animation files yourself with a model viewer. You can go line a Baraka warrior up with an Elin and both use first hit of rising fury. I guarantee you the Elin will move 2m further. This is true for many skills for many classes.

Popo archers have faster kick - Fact
Elin lancers have longer reach - Fact
Elf Male lancers have faster barrage - Fact
Elin warriors have the furthest travel distance on rising fury - Fact
CastanicF Slayers have fastest auto attack stagger - Fact
Etc. Can't be bothered listing them all.

[Bernkastel]

Tadewing님이 먼저 게시:

Simple question.
Baraka is prefered 'cos of their full heal racial[tera.wikia.com]. Warriors are better at dodging attacks but Lancers are better at absorbing them. There is no "best" tank because it all depends on the encounter. Sometimes one is better than the other depending on boss.

In PvE the racial will almost never make a difference, so pick any race you want. In PvP baraka is one of the worst choices for both lancers and warriors.

[Wolf Echo]

xEmptiness님이 먼저 게시:

I told you, go read the animation files yourself with a model viewer. You can go line a Baraka warrior up with an Elin and both use first hit of rising fury. I guarantee you the Elin will move 2m further. This is true for many skills for many classes.

Popo archers have faster kick - Fact
Elin lancers have longer reach - Fact
Elf Male lancers have faster barrage - Fact
Elin warriors have the furthest travel distance on rising fury - Fact
CastanicF Slayers have fastest auto attack stagger - Fact
Etc. Can't be bothered listing them all.

And I already told YOU that I have, and that no matter how it LOOKS there IS NO DIFFERENCE. Smaller objects are always going to appear to cover more ground that larger ones moving the same distance.

[Gralzeim]

All this talk of animations, but what about the attack hitboxes? Those are what really matter, because they're how the game decides if something hits or not.

[Bernkastel]

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

xEmptiness님이 먼저 게시:

I told you, go read the animation files yourself with a model viewer. You can go line a Baraka warrior up with an Elin and both use first hit of rising fury. I guarantee you the Elin will move 2m further. This is true for many skills for many classes.

Popo archers have faster kick - Fact
Elin lancers have longer reach - Fact
Elf Male lancers have faster barrage - Fact
Elin warriors have the furthest travel distance on rising fury - Fact
CastanicF Slayers have fastest auto attack stagger - Fact
Etc. Can't be bothered listing them all.

And I already told YOU that I have, and that no matter how it LOOKS there IS NO DIFFERENCE. Smaller objects are always going to appear to cover more ground that larger ones moving the same distance.

If you actually looked with a model viewer, you can actually measure the exact distance traveled and speed, they're all different. The reason Elin lancers are master skaters (PvP tactic used to ignore movement speed and slows) is precisely because their first auto attack brings them further forwards.

Alternatively you can go into PvP and watch popo archers kick you with stagger -> kick, while other races like Elf female kicks go through you and don't stun you. Although the differences can be minor, they're very noticeable.

Have you seen Aman male Slayers do point blank HTs on you in PvP, while most races can't? What about Elin warriors 1m extra range on combative strike or Elin zerkers 2m extra range on thunderstrike?

[Bernkastel]

HeimdallW32님이 먼저 게시:

All this talk of animations, but what about the attack hitboxes? Those are what really matter, because they're how the game decides if something hits or not.

Animation talk is generally about speed of the attack hitting and the distance of the attack hitting. So everything that's been discussed here really does matter in PvP, not so much PvE though, since they are quite minor.

[ZonerRoamer]

Rogue Dagger님이 먼저 게시:

Zoner Roamer님이 먼저 게시:

Also someone mentioned that warrriors are "evasive tanks"; they are not; they block too like lancers but have the OPTION to evade attacks if they dont wanna block or if the attack is unavoidable.

No, the can't block, at least not as well as a Lancer or Zerk (which has a theoretically infinite block if done right). Warriors DO NOT have a dedicated block skill anywhere near the same caliber as that of Lancers or Zerks. Defensive Stance does not count as all it does is raise Endurance and help generate Aggro a little, which is not the same as BLOCKING and Cross Parry requires Defensive Stance. The entire point of the Warrior is to move fast and DODGE, this means that as a tank they are designed to hit fast, generate some aggro and then EVADE as much as possible while holding that aggro.

Saying they're gonna be "the best tanks in the game" is ignorant, as they only have TWO skills that are meant to draw aggro in the same manner as a Lancer, which has several skills AND attacks that can either draw much more aggro by default OR be glyphed to do so, where as the Warrior doesn't.

Also Elin Lancer is much faster than other races. Elin and Casta Fem warrior are around the same with Elin having a slight advantage.

Again, NO. Elin are NOT faster than other races, they do not have faster attacks OR cast times and they do not have a longer range. This is false information, stop spreading it around as if it's fact.

OMG man; Im a warrior tank main in TERA since 2013, its you who are spreading the false information; go please play the game before trying to share your so called knowledge.

If warriors cant block and cant tank, you probably have an excellently stupid explanation for this video of a warrior blocking and holding aggro while tanking the hardest instance in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIHJFOO2kU