Remove Elins from the game.

[Zekkrazi]

The reasons are obvious. Please remove them they are a disgrace to the lore, the reputation, and the TERA community. If you like Elins you need to seek help.

EDIT: I have had a change of heart. While I do not believe Elin should outright be removed from the game, I do believe the developers should increase the censorship for the race. Elin are being advertised as the "centerfold" of the marketing for the game. This claim is evidenced by the outfits for purchase in the game, the mannerisms of the race, and the sexualization of the race on advertisements for the game (and in-game). These reasons have brought in many undiserable people to the community. Something that may (and already has) affected the game negatively in reviews/press.

[ChuckDM]

Hey, my favorite class in WoW is Warlock so necro'ing things is just what I do. (Yes, I'm aware they summon demons, not necromacy, but idc.) So here goes.

The Chainmail Bikini is a part of gaming. It has been for literally longer than most remember. It was first used when one of the Conan the Barbarian games on the original NES featured a 2-player option where the second player was a cro-magnum lady wearing slightly less than Conan, which is saying something. This got absolutely zero backlash because it was based on a comic book, where things akin to a chainmail bikini, black latex catsuit, and in Japan, girls in schoolgirl outfits with magic powers had been acceptable in certain forms of media for 30+ years already, even in the 80's.

At some point, someone decided this was no longer acceptable. I blame the simultaneous rise of Skyrim mods (of the adult variety) and SJWs. It was a confluence of two events. On the one hand, you could now mod a wildly popular game with nearly-movie quality nudity. On the other, you had people who were willing to spend (or waste, really) their time trying to fight it. In the end, a LOT of the whole Gamergate thing boiled down to this. Some people wanted to make it about journalism (hint: video game reviews are no more journalistic than movie reviews, in the first place. so, not at all.) Some people wanted to make it about impulse control, i.e. if we show T&A in video games, it demeans women in real life. This is an argument with about as much validity as "violence in games causes IRL violence" which is to say zero validity what-so-ever. In fact, as someone with a 12ga shotgun and a couple anger issues IRL, I can tell you that Unreal Tournament 3 saved me from killing someone at least once. No, really. I shot up 300+ Necris in god mode and by the time I was done, I wasn't angry any more. Thank god I had violent video games as an outlet for my real life aggression.

So...about the Elin, then. (BTW, the plural of Elin is Elin. It's like "deer.") The Elin, some have claimed, are lolis, basically pedo bait. I can see the argument here. I don't even inherently disagree. There's a couple of problems with this, though. Lolis, by definition, are nude. There is no way in the game to make your Elin get nude. Second, the game's own lore says each Elin lives to be around 500 years old. Logically then, there's a 4% chance your character is under the age of 18, regardless of how they look. Third, we're talking about a game where the entire lore begins with "two gods went to sleep and this ENTIRE game is a dream." Assuming these two gods are even a little bit Asian, it'd be VERY strange is there somehow WASN'T an Elin-like race somewhere in the game, given how common these types are in every major Asian culture.

And last, never forget that TERA is a Korean MMO. What we westerners get is merely a port. NA/EU TERA is required to track KTERA's changes. Literally, they're contractually required to do so. Thus, if Korean TERA releases an update adding Elins the ability to roll the Gunner class, guess what NA TERA is going to do?

And finally, FYI, western TERA is censored already. Some of what KTERA has available for Elin armor would literally get the game rated AO by the ESRB if it wasn't replaced every single patch by the far-more-modest shorts we get. Given this, and given the fact that the "size changers" for boobs in-game aren't even available for Elins, they're already doing more than enough to de-sexualize Elins.

Besides that, where's the SJW outrage about the Castanic, which might as well wear a stamp on their forehead that says "dominatrix" or the outrage against High Elves being portrayed as total waifs? Personally, I have no problem with any of this because it's in a f**king video game, but if you do, how are you cool with those races, and only the Elin cause a problem for you?

[Your Neighbour]

Nice meeting you lads, casual DM here (casual in the fact that me and my group have been playing home brew quests and mechanics until I can get around to working out 4e rules) with an ever frustrating situation, or more aptly, player.
He's a good friend of mine, in fact even on the worst of days I think I could call him a best friend, but as of late his 'fursona' has been plaguing my, and a lot of my player's, games. So what do I mean? Well the lads a furry, and believe me I have no problem with it, more power to him, but this particular interest has rooted itself in our games like a weed refusing to move. Now that may sound harsh, he's just a furry what's wrong with him playing one? Well a few things.
The worst case was an old ad hoc campaign I was running. Everyone chose their race, class, you had your human barbarians and your dragonborn clerics and what not, but then he decides on his character. A nude anthropormorthic fox man...see, the fox I was alright with, but I'm not allowing any nudity in my games unless it's justified, no one wants to picture some fox dong flopping about in the midst of combat. But it doesn't end there.
Just today another of my player's started his own campaign based off of different real world mythologies like Greek and Norse, where in we all played acolytes of our chosen gods (for instance mine was Hypnos, God of sleep) and then he decides his character. An acolyte of some Japanese fox God. It was at this point that I think I realised what I didn't like about this whole furry business, it's not that I'm prejudice against it or that I find it some abdominable atrocity to nature, it's just with a world of opportunity laid bare before him all it ever is is foxes.
Another case was when he hisself ran his own campaign. Now to his credit he was a surprisingly good DM, he made sure there was always action to be had, a world to explore, lore to be known and things to do. It was a WW1 era dieslpunk campaign, which we all found to be one hell of a setting. We also found it one hell of a coincidence that now allied with the Allies in this alt universe was 'the fox empire', which he then decided was one of the greatest superpowers of the war.
Lastly there was today. I had written up a new adventure I'd like to pursue, it was another home brew that this time was inspired by Weird War Tales comics, which if you didn't guess were war themed stories with some weird twist, like sentient Nazi Gorillas or an island inhabited by dinosaurs. For this I instructed my player's that they would be a commando force assembled as all of the weirdos of the world. We had a cyborg mummy, a human sized Gamera and, would you believe it, a 10 foot fox. Worst of all is at this off all times he decides to roleplay...licking all of the players in game.
In conclusion...I don't even know why I wrote this. Maybe it's to vent steam, maybe it's to get some ideas on how to get the guy to broaden his horizon. Whatever the case I don't, and never will, approve of prejudice against any innocent party, however I will allow people to say getting licked by a roleplaying fox is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weird.

[Magatsu chaos]

Originally posted by Humor:

Originally posted by Weebaloo:

I'm the one with the issue? That is a cute defensive argument. The reason I bring it up is because I like TERA I just hate the stigma assotiated with it from the internet. You can go on believeing that I am the issue, but you are not going to convince anybody hiding behind your 4 foot tall child race that wears school girl outfits. Games can have much more class than that. This game panders to the wrong audience and the suits running it from Japan know exactly what they are doing, however, they do not care because it is about the money. Open your eyes.

You're insane. People who takes games too seriously like Grand Theft Auto (GTA), and goto jail, and are all over the news for it, are what's wrong with gaming.

We're talking about Asian Culture here, they''re far different from western culture, as many of their games/styles are. Hell, they actually have Panty Vending machines in Japan, and they don't consider it wrong by any means.

So why is an Elin, something that is highly acceptable in Asian Cultures, so wrong here? They even went so far as to Censor Elins in the Western version of Tera, which then a few weeks later, someone had made a mod, to uncensor them.

If Elin is a race that bothers people, that's on them. Let people enjoy the games they want to, in the ways they want to.

I for on Love Elin, and watch tons of Anime (some more mature than others), and I see nothing wrong with Elin's.

I've even purchases a recent game that came out yesterday, Xenoblade 2 (for the switch), and they have a Nekomata, who looks like a child that joins you. Are you telling me the entire playerbase who bought this game is wrong? That they're all sick, and messed up in the head?

No, it's because a playerbase who loves fantasy exists. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Elins, are thousands of years old, and the description of a Pedophile, is somseon who is aiming for someone else, who is illegally of age, which Elins are not. Thus making your entire statement incorrect.

I've actually dated someone who was small, and petite, and is the same age as me (30), does that mean I'm a pedophile as well? In my eyes, no.

People like what they like, and you're just discriminating against people, because of what you believe to be right in your eyes.

Sometimes, people just need to stay off the internet, and or, not voice their concerns, because it's absolute bullsh_t.

i agree thats like someone walking up to whatever character you play and say "ew tf is wrong with you sicko" when you're trying to have a good time playing the game lmao

[Determined Man]

Originally posted by Your Neighbour:

Nice meeting you lads, casual DM here (casual in the fact that me and my group have been playing home brew quests and mechanics until I can get around to working out 4e rules) with an ever frustrating situation, or more aptly, player.
He's a good friend of mine, in fact even on the worst of days I think I could call him a best friend, but as of late his 'fursona' has been plaguing my, and a lot of my player's, games. So what do I mean? Well the lads a furry, and believe me I have no problem with it, more power to him, but this particular interest has rooted itself in our games like a weed refusing to move. Now that may sound harsh, he's just a furry what's wrong with him playing one? Well a few things.
The worst case was an old ad hoc campaign I was running. Everyone chose their race, class, you had your human barbarians and your dragonborn clerics and what not, but then he decides on his character. A nude anthropormorthic fox man...see, the fox I was alright with, but I'm not allowing any nudity in my games unless it's justified, no one wants to picture some fox dong flopping about in the midst of combat. But it doesn't end there.
Just today another of my player's started his own campaign based off of different real world mythologies like Greek and Norse, where in we all played acolytes of our chosen gods (for instance mine was Hypnos, God of sleep) and then he decides his character. An acolyte of some Japanese fox God. It was at this point that I think I realised what I didn't like about this whole furry business, it's not that I'm prejudice against it or that I find it some abdominable atrocity to nature, it's just with a world of opportunity laid bare before him all it ever is is foxes.
Another case was when he hisself ran his own campaign. Now to his credit he was a surprisingly good DM, he made sure there was always action to be had, a world to explore, lore to be known and things to do. It was a WW1 era dieslpunk campaign, which we all found to be one hell of a setting. We also found it one hell of a coincidence that now allied with the Allies in this alt universe was 'the fox empire', which he then decided was one of the greatest superpowers of the war.
Lastly there was today. I had written up a new adventure I'd like to pursue, it was another home brew that this time was inspired by Weird War Tales comics, which if you didn't guess were war themed stories with some weird twist, like sentient Nazi Gorillas or an island inhabited by dinosaurs. For this I instructed my player's that they would be a commando force assembled as all of the weirdos of the world. We had a cyborg mummy, a human sized Gamera and, would you believe it, a 10 foot fox. Worst of all is at this off all times he decides to roleplay...licking all of the players in game.
In conclusion...I don't even know why I wrote this. Maybe it's to vent steam, maybe it's to get some ideas on how to get the guy to broaden his horizon. Whatever the case I don't, and never will, approve of prejudice against any innocent party, however I will allow people to say getting licked by a roleplaying fox is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weird.

I have honestly no idea what this has to do with this discussion, But damn, Now I really want to play some Dungeons and dragons.

[Your Neighbour]

birds that bob their head back and forth and peep really fast when they fly away 👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀 good ♥♥♥♥ go౦ԁ ♥♥♥♥👌 thats ✔ some good👌👌♥♥♥♥ right👌👌th 👌 ere👌👌👌 right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my selｆ 💯 i say so 💯 thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ💯 👌👌 👌НO0ОଠＯOOＯOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ👌 👌👌 👌 💯 👌 👀 👀 👀 👌👌Good ♥♥♥♥

[Suiryu]

Originally posted by Your Neighbour:

Nice meeting you lads, casual DM here (casual in the fact that me and my group have been playing home brew quests and mechanics until I can get around to working out 4e rules) with an ever frustrating situation, or more aptly, player.
He's a good friend of mine, in fact even on the worst of days I think I could call him a best friend, but as of late his 'fursona' has been plaguing my, and a lot of my player's, games. So what do I mean? Well the lads a furry, and believe me I have no problem with it, more power to him, but this particular interest has rooted itself in our games like a weed refusing to move. Now that may sound harsh, he's just a furry what's wrong with him playing one? Well a few things.
The worst case was an old ad hoc campaign I was running. Everyone chose their race, class, you had your human barbarians and your dragonborn clerics and what not, but then he decides on his character. A nude anthropormorthic fox man...see, the fox I was alright with, but I'm not allowing any nudity in my games unless it's justified, no one wants to picture some fox dong flopping about in the midst of combat. But it doesn't end there.
Just today another of my player's started his own campaign based off of different real world mythologies like Greek and Norse, where in we all played acolytes of our chosen gods (for instance mine was Hypnos, God of sleep) and then he decides his character. An acolyte of some Japanese fox God. It was at this point that I think I realised what I didn't like about this whole furry business, it's not that I'm prejudice against it or that I find it some abdominable atrocity to nature, it's just with a world of opportunity laid bare before him all it ever is is foxes.
Another case was when he hisself ran his own campaign. Now to his credit he was a surprisingly good DM, he made sure there was always action to be had, a world to explore, lore to be known and things to do. It was a WW1 era dieslpunk campaign, which we all found to be one hell of a setting. We also found it one hell of a coincidence that now allied with the Allies in this alt universe was 'the fox empire', which he then decided was one of the greatest superpowers of the war.
Lastly there was today. I had written up a new adventure I'd like to pursue, it was another home brew that this time was inspired by Weird War Tales comics, which if you didn't guess were war themed stories with some weird twist, like sentient Nazi Gorillas or an island inhabited by dinosaurs. For this I instructed my player's that they would be a commando force assembled as all of the weirdos of the world. We had a cyborg mummy, a human sized Gamera and, would you believe it, a 10 foot fox. Worst of all is at this off all times he decides to roleplay...licking all of the players in game.
In conclusion...I don't even know why I wrote this. Maybe it's to vent steam, maybe it's to get some ideas on how to get the guy to broaden his horizon. Whatever the case I don't, and never will, approve of prejudice against any innocent party, however I will allow people to say getting licked by a roleplaying fox is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weird.

Lmao what is this

[Sugar Show]

Well can't denie some Elin players just plain be pervs with their Elins.

Can't figure why that guy wanted a even more young looking Elin.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1230058078

[Barcheil]

Keep in mind cultural differences. Kawaii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii is a big thing in japan, seriously into cuteness https://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/07/the-cute-world-of-japanese-warning-signs/.
So the way western culture sees versus the way specifically japanese culture sees it, is entirely different. So they see the super cuteness tied it with the aggresive actions ie really cute violence, you kind of have to be Japanese I guess.
All the classes suffer from inherent cuteness, none of them look that aggresive, just a particular style.
My choice is gaming is to pretty much have the toon look like me as much as I could be bothered into putting togethor the appearance, shame about gunners.

[Lord Morning Star]

I do not like onion bagels, but do you hear my protesting the gast station near me to stop selling them? Uh ha... Leave people's preferences alone. If you find yourself being concerned over pixels, then the problem is in your own mind. Maybe you, yourself should seize having immoral thoughts?

Tera is a beautiful game with beautifully drawned characters. It is all part of the design and taking any thing out of it, will rob the bigger picture.

Peace! :D Elins RUL!

[Determined Man]

Originally posted by Lord Morning Star:

I do not like onion bagels, but do you hear my protesting the gast station near me to stop selling them? Uh ha... Leave people's preferences alone. If you find yourself being concerned over pixels, then the problem is in your own mind. Maybe you, yourself should seize having immoral thoughts?

Tera is a beautiful game with beautifully drawned characters. It is all part of the design and taking any thing out of it, will rob the bigger picture.

Peace! :D Elins RUL!

That is.......A fair thing to say, Good on you for having logic my friend.

[Starbird Meteion]

I play Elins, and i dont play for pedophilic reasons, I for one like the designs they went for them, i even like some of the classes you can make with them like the reaper and shinobi

[blazegamma]

If you're worried about playing a game because you believe other people on it are immoral, then don't play, period. If you play the game, play it because you enjoy playing the game, the mechanics, the decisionmaking, the skill level, the adventure, etc. If you're too worried about the reasons other people play the game, then you yourself might not be playing for the right reasons, such as being too afraid to say that you play a game because you believe people would use the associative property to associate you with such other individuals. So just either chill and have fun playing the game itself or don't. Simple.

[Donaar]

my guild constantly makes fun of elins and we all think that people that play them are one of 3 things

1. girls
2. gay
or
3. pedos

[AgentZerØ]

Elins will never be removed, lol. Just go to the official site for Tera, En Masse has them plastered all over it... they are obviously more proud of that race than any other in the game. To hate elins is to hate Tera. If you don't like them so much, you should probably find a different game.

[Zekkrazi]

the l e g e n d thread never dies