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DragonFireEX 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 8:06
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Mod Support?
I think before the devs run this wonderful game into the ground with there mobile game port cash grab, we all as a community should band together in the hope to save this game from itself. Devs hear us Frostpunk is a good game and the mobile game will kill it, don't let what should be a modifiable game turn into a money hungry sell out. let you fans do the work, let us take control and mod the game to make it better. The modding community as a whole can make content you can't even believe. Don't take the easy way out, don't make a mobile game please.
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Bobywan 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 9:09 
Mod support will never happen on frostpunk as stated in many many many many many many many many many many many other pots.
Because the game was made with its own engine which doesnt support modding.

All you can hope is that the next game in the same universe will support mods.
Aturchomicz 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 9:50 
"Not Everyone is a Terry Davis" doesnt mean this is an excusable Management Decision in the 21st Century, why are you defending bad Business Practices anyway? lmao
最后由 Aturchomicz 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 9:51
Aeven 2021 年 5 月 14 日 下午 12:30 
People have been modding games long before mod support by the developers was even a thing. There is nothing stopping you from modding this game. Its just not going to be as easy.
Chashmodai 2021 年 5 月 14 日 下午 1:07 
引用自 Aeven
People have been modding games long before mod support by the developers was even a thing. There is nothing stopping you from modding this game. Its just not going to be as easy.
The Nexus has exactly one Frostpunk "mod". It isn't even a mod, it is a save file. I'm pretty sure this game is next to impossible to mod.
Little Strawberry 2021 年 5 月 14 日 下午 3:53 
引用自 Aeven
People have been modding games long before mod support by the developers was even a thing. There is nothing stopping you from modding this game. Its just not going to be as easy.
The Nexus has exactly one Frostpunk "mod". It isn't even a mod, it is a save file. I'm pretty sure this game is next to impossible to mod.

Modding != installing mods served on a platter for you
最后由 Little Strawberry 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 14 日 下午 3:53
Chashmodai 2021 年 5 月 14 日 下午 4:16 
引用自 Little Strawberry
The Nexus has exactly one Frostpunk "mod". It isn't even a mod, it is a save file. I'm pretty sure this game is next to impossible to mod.

Modding != installing mods served on a platter for you
That's not at all what I said, lmao. My point is that not a single human being on this Earth has ever made a mod for this game - despite three million copies sold. That should tell you exactly how possible it is to mod this game.
Aeven 2021 年 5 月 15 日 下午 12:03 
引用自 Little Strawberry

Modding != installing mods served on a platter for you
That's not at all what I said, lmao. My point is that not a single human being on this Earth has ever made a mod for this game - despite three million copies sold. That should tell you exactly how possible it is to mod this game.

Unless the developers really went out of their way to try prevent any form of tampering (for no reason), i am 100% sure that you can mod this game. It is much more likely that no one capable enough had interest in adding something worthwhile to this game (yet).
Chashmodai 2021 年 5 月 15 日 下午 12:37 
引用自 Aeven
That's not at all what I said, lmao. My point is that not a single human being on this Earth has ever made a mod for this game - despite three million copies sold. That should tell you exactly how possible it is to mod this game.

Unless the developers really went out of their way to try prevent any form of tampering (for no reason), i am 100% sure that you can mod this game. It is much more likely that no one capable enough had interest in adding something worthwhile to this game (yet).
No one capable? Out of three million people, not a single one was capable enough and had the interest to mod this game? You think that is more likely than the game just being impossible to mod? I mean, it is your prerogative, but I'm not buying it. Until I see a mod for this game, I'm going to say it is impossible to mod it.
colin.burke.1994 2021 年 5 月 16 日 上午 9:30 
They promised mod support during development, then said it was taking longer than expected, than said "maybe next time"
konzacelt 2021 年 5 月 17 日 上午 9:18 
Yeah I basically gave up on the game when they said they wouldn't be having mod support.

Don't get me wrong, the vanilla game is a solid experience. But like a lot of games these days, not having mods severely limits replayability. Once you finish the game a couple of times, there's little reason to keep at it.

It's too bad too, the game has insane potential for all sorts of city planning mods, structure mods alone would be amazing.
Jon_Smith 2021 年 5 月 19 日 下午 12:59 
引用自 Aeven
That's not at all what I said, lmao. My point is that not a single human being on this Earth has ever made a mod for this game - despite three million copies sold. That should tell you exactly how possible it is to mod this game.

Unless the developers really went out of their way to try prevent any form of tampering (for no reason), i am 100% sure that you can mod this game. It is much more likely that no one capable enough had interest in adding something worthwhile to this game (yet).

Only if you have a very loose definition of 'modding' the game....

Could you change some of the game files? Perhaps, but thats not modding as supported by most major platforms, Steam would detect the game as tampered with.
Could you add extra files for the game to consume? Well no, you'd need to decompile the .exe, add functionality to pick up and consume new files then recompile somehow. Again Steam would detect this as a pirated copy.

So no, you can't 'mod' the game. You can perhaps hack it apart and likely break it, but whats the point, you couldn't really use it nor really share it with anyone else.

Old school games were built differently, thats why modding was a thing before stuff like the Steam Workshop. In new games, if the dev doesn't provide Mod support then don't expect modding.
Aeven 2021 年 5 月 21 日 上午 6:15 
引用自 Jon_Smith
引用自 Aeven

Unless the developers really went out of their way to try prevent any form of tampering (for no reason), i am 100% sure that you can mod this game. It is much more likely that no one capable enough had interest in adding something worthwhile to this game (yet).

Only if you have a very loose definition of 'modding' the game....

Could you change some of the game files? Perhaps, but thats not modding as supported by most major platforms, Steam would detect the game as tampered with.
Could you add extra files for the game to consume? Well no, you'd need to decompile the .exe, add functionality to pick up and consume new files then recompile somehow. Again Steam would detect this as a pirated copy.

So no, you can't 'mod' the game. You can perhaps hack it apart and likely break it, but whats the point, you couldn't really use it nor really share it with anyone else.

Old school games were built differently, thats why modding was a thing before stuff like the Steam Workshop. In new games, if the dev doesn't provide Mod support then don't expect modding.

Most of what you said is completely incorrect. Steam doesn't detect a game as pirated when you modify it at all. Steam doesn't do anything like that. Steam "repairs" the game and replaces all files IF you tell it to do so, but not on its own. There are tons of games with no official mod support on steam that are easily moddable and VALVE doesn't care at all. I mean why would VALVE care? As long as its a single-player game you can do whatever you want with it.

The only games that have tampering protection are usually online multiplayer games, and that protection is usually implemented by a third party software that the game devs use. For example: Easy Anti cheat / BattleEye. The only anti-tampering software Valve provides for devs to use is VAC which only a few select games use.

To anyone who thinks a game without official modding support cannot be modified:
The Minecraft java edition still has NO offical modding support after nearly 10 years, and its one of the most modded games ever made.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Does+minecraft+have+official+mod+support
最后由 Aeven 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 21 日 上午 6:19
Jon_Smith 2021 年 5 月 21 日 上午 6:45 
引用自 Aeven
Most of what you said is completely incorrect.

No you.


Did you read most of what I said? Qwibble over the definitions of pirated or tampered with or whatever but my points are valid.

The best you can do is tamper with a few of the existing game files, so maybe change a couple of assets or something. Could you, for example, add a new scenario by messing with the existing files. No. You'd need to decompile the .exe to get anywhere close to that.

So go ahead, do that. Decompile the exe, and make a mod for it.
Oh wait, you can't.

You truly are simplistic in your understanding of how these things work if you think because some other older games have done it or because something like Minecraft has it that its the same in every game and the same in Frostpunk.
Its not. Smarter people than you have looked at it.

Tell me, how many games have you actually made mods for? How did you do it?
What programming languages do you speak? All these things are relevant to lend any credibility to your claims that it can be done without basically rebuilding the game from scratch.
Aeven 2021 年 5 月 21 日 上午 7:28 
引用自 Jon_Smith
引用自 Aeven
Most of what you said is completely incorrect.

No you.


Did you read most of what I said? Qwibble over the definitions of pirated or tampered with or whatever but my points are valid.

The best you can do is tamper with a few of the existing game files, so maybe change a couple of assets or something. Could you, for example, add a new scenario by messing with the existing files. No. You'd need to decompile the .exe to get anywhere close to that.

So go ahead, do that. Decompile the exe, and make a mod for it.
Oh wait, you can't.

You truly are simplistic in your understanding of how these things work if you think because some other older games have done it or because something like Minecraft has it that its the same in every game and the same in Frostpunk.
Its not. Smarter people than you have looked at it.

Tell me, how many games have you actually made mods for? How did you do it?
What programming languages do you speak? All these things are relevant to lend any credibility to your claims that it can be done without basically rebuilding the game from scratch.

You claimed in your first post multiple times that steam somehow has an anti tampering service which prevents you from modifying games. Now you are completely backpedalling stating that this wasn't what you meant when its obvious that you simply have no idea what steam actually does.

You didn't talk about how reverse-engineering or decompiling THIS game is impossible. That would have been actually interesting and if you had brought up some good arguments, i would have nothing to say against your claims. However, none of your statements contain ANY evidence, nor do you show ANY examples. Talking about examples, here is another one: Nier Automata. The game has no mod support at all but a few people have created mods that insert new assets and the mod 'FAR' fixes a lot of engine problems.

I don't do alot of modding personally, i mostly don't like having to alter other people's work and when i do then i want to be paid for it. I did mod the game teeworlds for a while, but that was extremely easy because it is an open source game and modding it was just changing the client/server code, compiling it and replacing the exe. I never claimed that i am an expert at modding games nor do i ever intend to become one. I do however know enough about modding that i can say your statements are mostly nonsense.
最后由 Aeven 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 21 日 上午 7:44
Jon_Smith 2021 年 5 月 21 日 上午 8:05 
Well, you clearly cannot read friend.
Try doing a ctrl+f and searching for decompile and you'll see I do infact mention that in my first post.... Here I'll help you out and quote myself.

引用自 Jon_Smith
Could you add extra files for the game to consume? Well no, you'd need to decompile the .exe, add functionality to pick up and consume new files then recompile somehow.

Makes your little rant there seem a little embarrassing.....

I also never said you Steam has a service that prevents you from tampering. I said it would detect it as pirated or tampered with, ya know like if you try to verify files etc.

Also, you might not know this, but Frostpunk does actually already have some anti piracy software built in that does things like create waves of sickness making the game unplayable.
Even if you could, as I again mentioned you couldn't really share it with anyone. It sometimes triggers as a false positive due to a corrupt install or the files getting messed up, people often need to do a clean install or verify their game files to fix it.

As I elaborated further, the best you could maybe do is change some assets. Your example of Nier Automata at a glance seems to mostly just be reskins (asset replacements) so holds true to what I say. So..... yay..... maybe we can make tents hot pink instead of the drab brown they are now....

You are talking from a position of ignorance, if you expect to make assertions such as 'I'm 100% sure of blah blah' based on only your vague understanding and gut ignorance expect to be challenged on them. You are wrong man.
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