Game does not make sense.

[Mix Heart]

(POSSIBLE SPOILERS!) In the first campaign near the end, things started to not make sense with my choices. I decided to not do any Law in faith contrary to Christianity perspective, even though I know that it was hinting at a Catholic church. I even sided with the people against my own church as this town was for the people and by the people.

I did not pass Public Penance, Protector of Truth Faith Laws. I did Emergency shift tree, child shelters and engineer Helpers, Cemetery Tree, Sustain Life Tree and Just Soup. Adaptation Laws I chose not to sign and reasons why: House of Pleasure (They are forced to do it.), Dueling law (I'm not against dueling but I will not force people to.) and Moonshine (To treat wounds and prevent diseases to be honest).

I would keep any promise I was able. I fed them normal meals, instead of soup for 90% of the game and used soup sparingly. I made them work 24 shift 3x total during the game, Overtime shifts at around 70% of the game time but I kept shifting which work places were doing overtime. I had maybe about 20sh Automations in total by game end. I kept the temperature for them at comfortable.

The people get panicked over Coal supply even though it was at 37801 coal. Same with the theft of wood, which I was capped at around 5000, which I still managed to build back up to 4061 wood before the machines freezed over. My steel was maxed about 5700. Food Starting under storm was at 12020 Cooked, 721 Raw. I had a max of 100 Prosthetics.

All Jobs while the under the frost storm were being done by Automations. I used the economy button to make sure that not even the Faith Keepers were active (The cold is policing enough.). I had 5 House of Prayers and 1 Temple, I had more houses then there were for people to fill them. I had 5 Infirmaries and several Medical posts, all being operated by Automations. I used Food Ration to speed healing whenever there were 7 or more people present or if it was full, (Which saved hundreds.)

When it ended it went through it started well but made less and less sense. Soup became our main Meal? No, no I don't think so, not with by then end around 10000 cooked food that is not soup, If I could make them taste even better I would. Faith was abused not really, I shut down any abuse of it, the Faith Keepers I used in place of Cops. If it keeps people from cutting each others heads off, I call that a win. I fear it is not worth it? Come on, Over 300 people survived, well fed, and with the resources we could travel anywhere in the world. We did not just survive, we thrived.

[Aturchomicz]

The laws that dont cross the line and the ones that do have already been doncumented here a long time ago. Your fault for not looking them up first smh

[Curious Fox]

Just having the soup law sort of makes it that way. It doesn't make it a bad ending though.

Righteous Denunciation and the order varient. That single law is a gigantic trap for those who want to have a 'good' ending.

[Aturchomicz]

Originally posted by Curious Fox:

Just having the soup law sort of makes it that way. It doesn't make it a bad ending though.

Righteous Denunciation and the order varient. That single law is a gigantic trap for those who want to have a 'good' ending.

A good idicator if your getting a bad end is if the Music switches to either this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvKp4XQAwY0&list=PLpas7-jjCh0Z7-t9yqhg3ibXTgeZhtH-G&index=5 (For Order)
Or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TItsVzFQ0M&list=PLpas7-jjCh0Z7-t9yqhg3ibXTgeZhtH-G&index=7 (For Faith)
Correct?

[Curious Fox]

Interesting, that I didn't know at all. Anyway, I'm not interesting in having good endings at the moment. I'm honestly finding Easy difficult lololol. I'm getting the hang of it though. Likely will try out Winterhome and New Home on Normal after I finish this Easy run on New Home...

[amordron]

The game is based on laws signed.

As such you signed the soup law so yes it did become there main meal for at least a moment that is what signing the law means it might not be at the end but it most def was for at least a moment in time.

Yes you did abuse faith. Faith keepers is a law that abuses faith using it to control the pop. Exactly as you said you used faith keepers in place of cops that IS abusing faith. You calling it a win means nothing fact is you abused faith. Any law past temple is abusing faith. You might of shut it down but fact is you DID abuse it at some time by signing that law. Remorse and changing what you did in the past doesn't change what you did yo survive.

I would call just living with 300 people only surviving you can get over 700 people in a new home. In other words you let over 400 people die. By not rescuing them or letting them die. Thats a massive number. Don't care how many resources you have stockpiled if more than half the pop died/weren't saved you most def did not thrive but just survived as you dint bother to help people you only picked to survive. Just like you did abuse faith you did give up good meal for soup early on. Yes you made choices to survive but you most def did not thrive for the entire game. If at any point you are just surviving to the point of making bad choices you did not thrive. The end message is the sum of the entire playby.

People steel wood since THEY want it for there homes this is human nature even if the government is perfectly rich people will never 100% trust you when a massive event is coming. If they think there odds to live is higher by taking extra wood they will. So you having a ton of wood is meaningless if your pop wants more wood. You are given a chance to appease them by giving 1300 wood away this stops the thiefs. Same for coal worry's. Look at what happened during the chrona virus and toilet paper we had lots but human nature made people panic and caused a issue. To he point people even beat there mothers for "hiding the toilet paper". Its a vary accurate representation to shown people worrying even know there is lots of a given supply.

It is quite possible to get a good end by taking the golden path. What you said in your post is no where close to that you might of changed your ways as you had resources to not do certain stuff but that dose not change what was done to survive.

The ending makes complete sense in that regard. Just like a murder in order to stop them from going on a killing spree is not forgiven if you after burred them and take care of there family. Its still murder. You could of picked to forcefully detain or many other better ways.

[Aturchomicz]

Originally posted by Curious Fox:

Interesting, that I didn't know at all. Anyway, I'm not interesting in having good endings at the moment. I'm honestly finding Easy difficult lololol. I'm getting the hang of it though. Likely will try out Winterhome and New Home on Normal after I finish this Easy run on New Home...

I really really dont recommend you do that. I would suggest you try out Serenity Endless, Survivor and learn that way. It will improve your enjoyment of the other Scenarios trust me

[Mix Heart]

Originally posted by amordron:

The game is based on laws signed.

As such you signed the soup law so yes it did become there main meal for at least a moment that is what signing the law means it might not be at the end but it most def was for at least a moment in time.

Yes you did abuse faith. Faith keepers is a law that abuses faith using it to control the pop. Exactly as you said you used faith keepers in place of cops that IS abusing faith. You calling it a win means nothing fact is you abused faith. Any law past temple is abusing faith. You might of shut it down but fact is you DID abuse it at some time by signing that law. Remorse and changing what you did in the past doesn't change what you did yo survive.

I would call just living with 300 people only surviving you can get over 700 people in a new home. In other words you let over 400 people die. By not rescuing them or letting them die. Thats a massive number. Don't care how many resources you have stockpiled if more than half the pop died/weren't saved you most def did not thrive but just survived as you dint bother to help people you only picked to survive. Just like you did abuse faith you did give up good meal for soup early on. Yes you made choices to survive but you most def did not thrive for the entire game. If at any point you are just surviving to the point of making bad choices you did not thrive. The end message is the sum of the entire playby.

People steel wood since THEY want it for there homes this is human nature even if the government is perfectly rich people will never 100% trust you when a massive event is coming. If they think there odds to live is higher by taking extra wood they will. So you having a ton of wood is meaningless if your pop wants more wood. You are given a chance to appease them by giving 1300 wood away this stops the thiefs. Same for coal worry's. Look at what happened during the chrona virus and toilet paper we had lots but human nature made people panic and caused a issue. To he point people even beat there mothers for "hiding the toilet paper". Its a vary accurate representation to shown people worrying even know there is lots of a given supply.

It is quite possible to get a good end by taking the golden path. What you said in your post is no where close to that you might of changed your ways as you had resources to not do certain stuff but that dose not change what was done to survive.

The ending makes complete sense in that regard. Just like a murder in order to stop them from going on a killing spree is not forgiven if you after burred them and take care of there family. Its still murder. You could of picked to forcefully detain or many other better ways.

I might have gotten the number wrong, I only had 3 people in the grave by the end of the game. I also did rescue everyone, I went out of my way to do that.

[Mix Heart]

(Stuck up/witty tone.) All right amordron I shall denounce your rudeness. "Yes you did abuse faith. Faith keepers is a law that abuses faith using it to control the pop." (At a loss tone.) No the faith keepers did then, not me as I go by in real life Church standards. The way they are suppose to enforce is by comforting and helping those in need....

(Comedic tone) I did not know it made me an evil bastard to set up laws getting rid of unneeded strife during times of emergency, the soup is to save lives. I bet you would eat soup if you found it on a deserted island, and you had not eaten for 2 days. I actually wish I could use flaxseed instead, which works even better and adds flavor yum. I guess my mane meal is nothing because I have fasted that long before.

(Thankful tone.) Any ways you did give me an the answer to the thread and thanks 100% for that, I mean it bud.

[amordron]

The key point you seam to be missing is you the leader in the game vs you the person. This is called meta gaming. You the leader in game is not you the person. He dose not have the same info as you nor dose he act the same way.

As such when he uses faith he is using the Catholic Church and there ways as that as you said is what the games way looks like not what ever you believe in. When you make faith keepers they enforce based on the rules used by them not what you the person think they will do.

As such something being different in your faith no offense is rather meaningless to the game making sense or not as it’s not your faith that matters here but the faith used in the game.

If you don’t meta game the game makes quite a bit of sense this is why meta gaming is looked down on by basicly every rpg as it ruins the experience by not playing your role.

As for taking extreme measures to get by times of need or eating soup or otherwise yes it is a evil action dose it make you evil no but it is an evil action none the less. The ending dose not call you evil only the actions you took where, and asks was it worth it.

[Mix Heart]

Originally posted by amordron:

The key point you seam to be missing is you the leader in the game vs you the person. This is called meta gaming. You the leader in game is not you the person. He dose not have the same info as you nor dose he act the same way.

As such when he uses faith he is using the Catholic Church and there ways as that as you said is what the games way looks like not what ever you believe in. When you make faith keepers they enforce based on the rules used by them not what you the person think they will do.

As such something being different in your faith no offense is rather meaningless to the game making sense or not as it’s not your faith that matters here but the faith used in the game.

If you don’t meta game the game makes quite a bit of sense this is why meta gaming is looked down on by basicly every rpg as it ruins the experience by not playing your role.

Sigh yea. To be frank, the Catholic church as it has been in the past is just... Eww. No offence to any Catholics here. It has to do with what it has done in the past, not you.

[Mix Heart]

The game ending is pretty epic when you decide to be a douche though. I clapped the first time, when I tried to be a Despit.

[Mix Heart]

On a side note, how do you get direct Cannibalism? I can only get body fertilizer, I suppose that is healthier, as it drastically reduces the chances of Prion Disease.

[Somarda]

Originally posted by Aengous Milda:

On a side note, how do you get direct Cannibalism? I can only get body fertilizer, I suppose that is healthier, as it drastically reduces the chances of Prion Disease.

You need to get the the "Corpse Disposal" law. Let people die of hunger and you will start a chain of events where people are feeding themselves with the corpses. Keep them hungry and eventually, in the chain, you will have the option to propose the law and sign it.

[Mix Heart]

Originally posted by JavMon:

Originally posted by Aengous Milda:

On a side note, how do you get direct Cannibalism? I can only get body fertilizer, I suppose that is healthier, as it drastically reduces the chances of Prion Disease.

You need to get the the "Corpse Disposal" law. Let people die of hunger and you will start a chain of events where people are feeding themselves with the corpses. Keep them hungry and eventually, in the chain, you will have the option to propose the law and sign it.

Nice. Thanks!