Replace Watchtowers with Guard Stations or not?

[Adeptus Lebowski]

Seems to be a massive debate online as to whether you should have both or not. If the buffs to their abilties stack then i see why it is good to have both, but as you can upgrade a watchtower into a guard station, i feel this was intended. Does anyone actually know for sure if you're supposed to replace them?

[Vardis]

They are upgrades, so I'd say it's pretty clear the intent is that you replace them. If they have stacking benefits, I wouldn't be surprised if that's patched later.

[Setzer]

yes, only build 2 watchtowers and later delete them for guard stations.

[Skirlasvoud]

I still create both throughout my city if I have enough resources on my hands to toy around.


It takes a LOT of manpower and extra space that Faith doesn't however. To fill in all the four rings around the Main Core, you'll need at least 6 Guard Station and 7 Watchtowers. A total amount of 65 workers.

To achieve the same with faith, I need just 4 Places of Worship, which is - very likely not at all incidental - about the same size as 6 Guard Stations. That alone convinces me the Guard Station are likely to be meant as replacements.


That said, they DO stack together, so if you're feeling saucy, give it your best try.


I think Guard Stations are supposed to be upgrades in the same way bunkhouses are to tents. You can still built tents afterwards, but do you really want to?

[SIX]

Originally posted by Skirlasvoud:

I still create both throughout my city if I have enough resources on my hands to toy around.


It takes a LOT of manpower and extra space that Faith doesn't however. To fill in all the four rings around the Main Core, you'll need at least 6 Guard Station and 7 Watchtowers. A total amount of 65 workers.

To achieve the same with faith, I need just 4 Places of Worship, which is - very likely not at all incidental - about the same size as 6 Guard Stations. That alone convinces me the Guard Station are likely to be meant as replacements.


That said, they DO stack together, so if you're feeling saucy, give it your best try.


I think Guard Stations are supposed to be upgrades in the same way bunkhouses are to tents. You can still built tents afterwards, but do you really want to?

You only need 6 guard tower to cover all the 4 rings by building them in the third ring . You'll have more than enough manpower around day 20

[Skirlasvoud]

Originally posted by ΣIX:

Originally posted by Skirlasvoud:

To fill in all the four rings around the Main Core, you'll need at least 6 Guard Station

You only need 6 guard tower to cover all the 4 rings by building them in the third ring . You'll have more than enough manpower around day 20

You have just succesfully repeated what I already said.

I was talking about a situation where you also want to build watchtowers.

[erneiz]

You know, I think this part of Order/Faith balance is off. Guardposts have smaller area AND needs to be manned, while chapels cover a HUUUGE area and also DON'T need to be manned. You would think for balance the Guardposts should have the larger area and the chapels have the smaller area. Is it somehow more effective at lowering discontent and raising hope than chapels? Can't say I noticed any difference.

[SIX]

Originally posted by Skirlasvoud:

Originally posted by ΣIX:

You only need 6 guard tower to cover all the 4 rings by building them in the third ring . You'll have more than enough manpower around day 20

You have just succesfully repeated what I already said.

I was talking about a situation where you also want to build watchtowers.

yeah i was quoting to say you were right

[SIX]

Originally posted by erneiz:

You know, I think this part of Order/Faith balance is off. Guardposts have smaller area AND needs to be manned, while chapels cover a HUUUGE area and also DON'T need to be manned. You would think for balance the Guardposts should have the larger area and the chapels have the smaller area. Is it somehow more effective at lowering discontent and raising hope than chapels? Can't say I noticed any difference.

pretty sure chapel take more space on the map tho and cant be fit like guardtower between houses

[erneiz]

The chapel can be rotated so it fits nicely with the row of houses, only goes longer. Workshops can do this too.

[Adeptus Lebowski]

How do you rotate a buidling?

[erneiz]

Middle click button. Check the hotkey configuration in the settings.

[Skirlasvoud]

Also be aware of a certain trick that I call "Packing".

Buildings can be coerced into fitting into SLIGHTLY smaller spaces than their actual size. They'll adapt. This size differences is less then a single rectangle, but if you ever find yourself laying down a line of houses between two roads and the fourth one doesn't fit just BARELY, then packing the rest of the houses to make a few millimeters more room, just might help.


This is how you pack buildings:


- = road
. = empty space
x = building

Let's say a house is this:

-xxxx . . .-
-xxxx . . .-
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And let's say that in the above example, you don't manage to place a second next to it.

To pack the first house, do this:

- . . . xxxx -
- . . . xxxx -
- . . . . . . . -
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This new house is a temporary one. It's placed in such a way, that the amount of space further down the street is SLIGHTLY decreased.
Now you place the first real house. Because the amount of space offere is SLIGHTLY less than normal, it'll be smaller.

-. . .xxxx -
-xxxxxxx -
-xxx . . . .-
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Then delete the temporary house.

-. . . . . . -
-xxx . . . -
-xxx . . . -
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Suddenly, a second house fits in the same row since you've succesfully "packed" the first house.

-. . . . . . .-
-xxx xxxx-
-xxx xxxx-
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