so... I played as Guan Yu and female officers want to be my vowed sibbling

[Algester]

now I'm not sure if my game got bugged but obviously Guan Yu can't have female officers as vowed sibblings...
why is this important because I'm trying to make a CAW between Guan Yu and Guan Yinping... out of curiousity
nevermind I think the concept of "incest" in this game is a no no... bleh...

[Chronos Notashi]

Actually, it is possible for a male officer (Guan Yu being no exception) to have a female officer as a sworn sibling if you meet the conditions for it. In fact, for a few of my playthroughs, I've had this happen, and sometimes had the reverse when playing as a female officer (unless I intentionally raised friendship with only specific officers to guarantee certain marriage/sworn sibling options). However, unless it can happen regardless, I believe your officer has to be married first, as you're more likely to get the Confessions event otherwise.

Incidentally, as an extra note for your post as a whole, Empires doesn't really take any historical family/similar ties into consideration for scenarios (especially since it doesn't retain any marriages, sworn oaths, or parent/child relations (basically, a CAW being labeled as your character's child for that scenario) made between playthroughs), so technically you can make any pair-ups you want (though if you wanted to stick more to history, Guan Yu would have to have Liu Bei and Zhang Fei as sworn siblings, Sima Yi would have to marry Zhang Chunhua, etc). Heck, Cao Cao/Cao Pi could have Liu Bei/Liu Shan and Sun Jian/Sun Quan as sworn siblings (we all know the relationship between these three groups, I'm sure), Lu Bu could marry his own daughter, Guan Yinping could marry Guan Xing/Guan Suo (her brothers), or Sima Shi/Sima Zhao could marry Zhang Chunhua (their mother), and the game won't care at all (though if you don't want to do that, that's fine. I, for one, try not to have my personal CAW marry his daughter no matter what (though other relations aren't out of bounds if I'm curious enough to try)). Outside of, obviously:

1) your ability to use a Multi Musou Attack with them during battles (though this can be used regardless in co-op as long as both players have at least 1 unit of Musou, though iirc P2 CAN use a Multi Musou Attack with your spouse, child, or sworn siblings regardless of what officer they're using),

2) whether or not you occasionally receive gifts from them (only other methods of getting gifts that I know of being to either receive one from a subordinate as a Prefect, or be a Marshal/Strategist and receive one from your Ruler for your performance (one of the best ways to get 4-6* weapons, outside of in-battle methods, without using bonus points)),

3) whether or not they'll go with you if you leave a kingdom/change locations/kingdoms (ex. if you leave a kingdom, instead of being a free officer, you'll be leader of a Vagabond unit with your spouse, sworn siblings, and child when applicable),

and 4) what random options would be possible for the CAW that results from those pairings. This, if I'm right, is determined either on the month the CAW matures and enters battle, on the month before then, or at the end of the scenario if the child is born prior to then but hasn't matured. So if you don't like what you get, you can always reload to a previous point, if possible, and try again (or just edit the CAW later, if you choose to keep them).


tl;dr: Sworn oaths between male and female officers is allowed as long as you don't already have two sworn siblings (and might have to already be married to trigger automatically, but you can make the choice manually if you don't mind doing nothing else for that month), and any officer can technically form sworn oaths with/marry any other officer regardless of historical ties, so don't worry TOO much about it and make whatever pairings you're comfortable with.

[Chronos Notashi]

(Wasn't sure about character/word limit, and that post is already long, so I'm putting this separately.)

By the way, interesting fact concerning following historical actions: if you marry two famous officers that were married historically, they'll have unique reactions to each other during the "Loving Couple" event (when it says they're in marital bliss). The couples that this occurs for are (husband + wife):

- Cao Pi + Zhenji
- Zhou Yu + Xiaoqiao
- Sun Ce + Daqiao
- Sun Quan + Lianshi
- Zhuge Liang + Yueying
- Liu Bei + Sun Shangxiang
- Sima Yi + Zhang Chunhua
- Sima Shao + Wang Yuanji
- Meng Huo + Zhurong

[Algester]

hence I find it odd I also tried it as Guan Yinping and the furthest I can get to Guan Yu is also Sworn Sibbling <_< I find that odd considering you can pretty much "screw" history with the sandbox feel of the game, and I find it odd that Bao Sanniang and Guan Suo? don't have unique dialogue as they are married in the romance of the 3 kingdoms novel <_< sure not historically true as no one knows if both of them even existed in real life
yes I know I'm attempting to make a monstrosity of a CAW (hence a CAW between Guan Yu and Guan Yinping)

[Chronos Notashi]

Hmm...to be fair, I MIGHT be wrong about the part where the game completely disregards historical family relations. It might have SOME restrictions that prevent marriage between historical siblings (father/daughter, brother/sister, etc). I'll have to test it out myself if I get the chance and see if it works on my end, as well as with other such relationships.

As for Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang, yeah. I found it odd myself, but it's likely because there's no historical info to prove that they were married or even existed outside of the novel. Whereas the couples that do have unique dialogue likely existed (I'd have to double-check Sima Shao) and were married.

[Algester]

Confirmed, the game engine prevents any forms incest so Lu Bu cant make a CAW with Lu Lingqi (AKA his own daughter) and vice versa
like wise with in the Guan Family (Guan Ping, Guan Xing, Guan Suo, Guan Yu, Guan Yinping) as well, Zhang Fei and Xingcai wont be able to make CAWs with each other
well its not like you can Eugenic Lu Lingqi with Guan Yu if you want some sort of str based CAW...
from this we can also say the Sun family wont be able to make CAWs with each other...

[DeltaKnight]

O-O ...Are seriously thinking of having Guan Yu F@$% his daughter?
You're disgusting.

[Algester]

Originally posted by DeltaKnight:

O-O ...Are seriously thinking of having Guan Yu F@$% his daughter?
You're disgusting.

for science!

[PureRok]

Originally posted by DeltaKnight:

O-O ...Are seriously thinking of having Guan Yu F@$% his daughter?
You're disgusting.

It's a video game. Chill out.