Don't Starve Together

Don't Starve Together

lecagot 7 DIC 2014 a las 2:18 a. m.
Linux
When will DST BETA be available for linux? Or is there a thought process about DST Beta being not only on PC?
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Ari El Uno 7 ENE 2015 a las 4:35 p. m. 
Leave Microsoft to be the one and only monopoly giant? No, thanks.
Stone Chipper 7 ENE 2015 a las 4:39 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ari El Uno:
Leave Microsoft to be the one and only monopoly giant? No, thanks.

That, and OS X.

Even Linux has it's place and thus its own monopoly in several key areas.
Última edición por Stone Chipper; 7 ENE 2015 a las 4:40 p. m.
Ari El Uno 7 ENE 2015 a las 4:43 p. m. 
No monopoly in the open source world.
Stone Chipper 7 ENE 2015 a las 4:47 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ari El Uno:
No monopoly in the open source world.

If that is the case, then why even mention Linux as a monopoly competitor?
Última edición por Stone Chipper; 7 ENE 2015 a las 4:48 p. m.
Ari El Uno 7 ENE 2015 a las 4:50 p. m. 
Who did mention it as competitor? Linux is another choice.
Stone Chipper 7 ENE 2015 a las 5:09 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ari El Uno:
Leave Microsoft to be the one and only monopoly giant? No, thanks.
TO 7 ENE 2015 a las 5:26 p. m. 
+1
Ari El Uno 7 ENE 2015 a las 5:44 p. m. 
That means we don't want any monopoly practice. You choose Windows, we choose Linux, what's your problem with that? Windows belongs to Microsoft, only Microsoft. Linux belongs to everyone, have you ever wondered how much Linux distributions out there?
While we want developers to make their games multi platform (with Windows as well, no exception), you want to be exclusive with your Windows userbase? How selfish you are.
Don't Starve is already multi platform, why not this one?
Stone Chipper 7 ENE 2015 a las 6:30 p. m. 
I have no issue with Linux or what it represents. It is making other OS companies honest and more competitive in pricing (being that Linux is free). I especially like the idea that future Windows versions will be free as a result of this.

I do worry about the overall quality of software when development is needed to be done over 3 different platforms. How many features get lost in translation or thrown in the too hard basket because of the additional programming required over multi platform?

The biggest virtue of Linux is the fact it is open source, therefore you are equipped with the power to solve many of your own issues. You just don't. Instead, you expect not only to get a free OS, but for 1000s of different software developers to write to Linux to fix your compatibility issues.

Mac and Windows make up the majority of game sales by the sheer numbers of us. Therefore it is logical that they would be the people they cater for first as it has the most profit.

Hopefully one day, game devs will use one common style that works on everything (not just exclusive to windows). Finally, defeating the issue of needing to own several different platforms to have access to all game titles available.

Until then, if you want all PC games to work all the time, then play your strengths and get your open source community to produce an emulator.
Choosing an Operating System is like choosing a religion. Everyone always thinks theirs is better than everyone elses and tries to convert them to theirs.

PS Linux or Riot tisk tisk
property 8 ENE 2015 a las 12:41 p. m. 
this is totally off topic
thoot 8 ENE 2015 a las 3:44 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
Oh look, it is the seemingly obligatory Linux beggars thread. And by all means, keep trying to rationalise to yourself that it will come to Linux.

-10,946 for Linux.
Just because you are too dense to use an OS, it is not inferior.

We (Linux user) aren't flaming in Windows threads either. The fact that there is a Steam client for Linux and that the original Don't Starve runs on Linux is a clear sign Linux's relevant.

Why don't you go back playing your games?
Última edición por thoot; 8 ENE 2015 a las 3:51 p. m.
Ru.sh 8 ENE 2015 a las 5:52 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
I have no issue with Linux or what it represents.

It seems you do though. Linux represents the freedom to use your computer however you want, without big companies or the government spying on you through backdoors build in to the operating system. That includes the freedom to run games on it, which you seemingly don't want to see happening.

Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
It is making other OS companies honest and more competitive in pricing (being that Linux is free). I especially like the idea that future Windows versions will be free as a result of this.

No it won't. Big companies like Microsoft and Apple rather have a monopoly than share their market. They will never be honest about that though, just like they will never be honest about what level of control they have over their customers. Windows for free will simply never happen.

Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
I do worry about the overall quality of software when development is needed to be done over 3 different platforms. How many features get lost in translation or thrown in the too hard basket because of the additional programming required over multi platform?

None. If you start out with cross platform development in mind (as Klei does), using SDL2, OpenGL and other cross platform tools and libraries, it's not even that hard to accomplish. Let the developers of those tools and libraries worry about getting their API's working across all OS'es, that's not the game developer's task.

Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
The biggest virtue of Linux is the fact it is open source, therefore you are equipped with the power to solve many of your own issues. You just don't. Instead, you expect not only to get a free OS, but for 1000s of different software developers to write to Linux to fix your compatibility issues.

What compatibility issues? Don't Starve runs like a charm on any modern Linux distribution and once it's out I'm sure DST will too. Distro fragmentation is not an issue. What we're asking for is to have a closed source, proprietary game ported to the OS we have chosen to run. If Klei doesn't do that it would be their choice, no harm done except that they'll lose business over it. Were they to release the source code of DST in it's current state to the community I'm sure it would be ported by enthousiasts in a jiffy.

Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
Mac and Windows make up the majority of game sales by the sheer numbers of us. Therefore it is logical that they would be the people they cater for first as it has the most profit.

That statement holds true for Windows only. Mac is just as small a piece of the pie as Linux is.

Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
Hopefully one day, game devs will use one common style that works on everything (not just exclusive to windows). Finally, defeating the issue of needing to own several different platforms to have access to all game titles available.

That utopia will never come to pass since different OS'es work so fundamentally different from each other. Luckely a lot of (mostly open source) cross platform tools and libraries are in existence that can do the heavy lifting for you, see one of my previous points on this.

Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
Until then, if you want all PC games to work all the time, then play your strengths and get your open source community to produce an emulator.

Nobdy in this thread says they want to have all PC games to work on their Linux machine. I think a lot of them don't care one bit about Windows only titles like the next Assassins Creed sequel or whatever, but since all of Klei's games so far run great on Linux, it's only logical that we hope DST will come to Linux as well, and reasonable we ask about the status of the project.
Última edición por Ru.sh; 8 ENE 2015 a las 5:55 p. m.
Stone Chipper 8 ENE 2015 a las 6:46 p. m. 
Fine, power to LInux.

I do appropriate the fact Linux has unparalleled performance in server administration/infrastructure as well as our portable devices. I use android on both my phone and tablet and there is no way I would ever consider using Apple or Window OSs for that. As they (in my opinion) would do a lesser job of it. Like Linux for desktop gaming currently does. Something you were all aware of when you elected to use it.

Steam's enormous profits margin have allowed it to branch out and create Steam OS. And Steam has thrown Linux gaming massive bone by doing this.

So no doubt Linux will be common place in gaming within the next decade, maybe even the preferred. But, it was due to those of us willing to "risk" using a corporate/government spying, bloatware infested OS that provided all all the funding required to make Steam OS viable. The M$ Windows user (Mac to a lesser dagree) indirectly supported you, and for that you are most welcome.

What annoys me I suppose is the fact your OS is free and yet everything is seemingly getting given to you with money gained elsewhere. Unless you actually work for something, you seldom appriciate it.

Back to M$, Windows 9 (now 10) will be free to all users who presently own Win 8, which is a good thing because Windows 8's attempt to stitch together desktop and mobile devices made it operate less than ideally on either.

The fact it is free I think is indicative of mounting pressure to be competitive with the alternates. Linux being among them.
Última edición por Stone Chipper; 8 ENE 2015 a las 6:55 p. m.
Ru.sh 8 ENE 2015 a las 8:16 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Creadoris:
What annoys me I suppose is the fact your OS is free and yet everything is seemingly getting given to you with money gained elsewhere. Unless you actually work for something, you seldom appriciate it.

At the risk of derailing this thread even further, because this is an interesting point you make.

People often think only of Linux as being free as beer, aka gratis. Sure that's true, but the real point of Linux is that it's free as in speech, aka libre. Developing software, especially operating systems, is expensive and time consuming. Linux is being maintained and improved upon by some of the world's major corporations who have realized that contributing to the project directly benefits their business, making them more profitable because their contributions let them have a say in the direction the project is going. Valve has only recently taken this course and is a very minor player. By the way, even Google with their Android platform isn't in the top 10 of companies contributing to Linux. In short, there are people making a living off Linux, either by contributing to it or by using it. But since Linux has no shareholders who want to earn a lot of money from it, it's free for people to use. The money is by no means "gained elsewhere", it's generated by Linux itself.

If you're interesting in more details about this I would advise you to watch this interview with one of the Linux kernel developers and maintainers.
Última edición por Ru.sh; 8 ENE 2015 a las 8:19 p. m.
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