Is Willow Viable?

[Boswald]

Or is she still nerfed to ♥♥♥♥?

[ButterStuffed]

Still nerfed to ♥♥♥♥

[SeansShow]

Afaik a lot of people kick her in random servers as well as she's perceived and quite often used as a troll character.

[Joki the Disco Bandit]

They're all viable if you know what you're doing. ;)

[TheDeadDude]

Originally posted by Hotblack Desiato:

They're all viable if you know what you're doing. ;)

This may be true but it isn't very fun to play with characters that are nerfed so bad your always stressing over the tedious design of said characters.

Wolfgang although he has the best potential as a combat character, heavily relies on crockpots and drying racks in order to stay fed. It's even worse when you have to fight against hounds or giants as now you need to consume 2x the food you normally would just so you can deal 1x-2x damage.

Willow although she's a inherently versatile character in DST if you go insane this often leads to death because she "freezes" to death. No character other character dies from insanity as fast as willow. This makes farming nightmare fuel challenging too because you need to stay close to fires or have warm clothes. The removal of fire immunity for this character is pretty stupid imho. They did this so the dragonfly boss would remain difficult i guess, however they could just make it so willow is only immune to open fires in the world and not the boss or add an extra condition where dragonfly always does 100% fire damage unless scale armor is worn.

Woody used to be a fun character to gather materials with. He was overpowered and deserved the nerf but they nerfed him so far that he is hardly fun to play anymore. You eat more than 3/4 of the wood you chop and go insane far too quickly. The beaver form used to have seperate HP from your characters hp which was "okay" since you always end up with low hp and sanity after you turn back. Now you can die as easily as a fly and you have 1 more resource to manage, the lumber meter. Even if you know what you are doing this far too much crap to deal with to be fun for me.

IMHO these character's deserve another look and a few more tweaks.

Characters that are truely overpowered

Wilson - Unmodded he has the potential to wear 1 more high level winter clothes like item, his beard. This beard hair is used for revival in shadow magic tree as well.

Wigfrid - Infinite hp and sanity if you got good kiting skills its really hard to go insane or die with this character. Proof of this is 80% of the players in all servers unmodded are playing wiggy. She needs nerf.

Webber - Infinite spider meat and the safest character to play. Once you get high level sanity items such as tam o shanter or even top hat its game over. This character is the easiest one to survive with if you know what your doing.

[ButterStuffed]

Woody doesn't eat 3/4 of the wood he collects, thats an extravagent over exaggeration.

[Joki the Disco Bandit]

Originally posted by Mikro Maniac:

Woody doesn't eat 3/4 of the wood he collects, thats an extravagent over exaggeration.

In my experience it's more like 1/3. Still a lot, but not a majority of it and certainly not 3 of every 4 logs.

[Retrolicious]

forget about willow its a lost cause. even if you wanna play her "normally" and are not a griefer she is simply bad. bernie is completelly useless and she is nerfed to oblivion. only positive side is when you wanna play her is her looks. so if you like her looks or skins then use her. for her perks and skills she is pure rubbish.

sry

[Retrolicious]

Originally posted by TheDeadDude:

Originally posted by Hotblack Desiato:

They're all viable if you know what you're doing. ;)

This may be true but it isn't very fun to play with characters that are nerfed so bad your always stressing over the tedious design of said characters.

Wolfgang although he has the best potential as a combat character, heavily relies on crockpots and drying racks in order to stay fed. It's even worse when you have to fight against hounds or giants as now you need to consume 2x the food you normally would just so you can deal 1x-2x damage.

Willow although she's a inherently versatile character in DST if you go insane this often leads to death because she "freezes" to death. No character other character dies from insanity as fast as willow. This makes farming nightmare fuel challenging too because you need to stay close to fires or have warm clothes. The removal of fire immunity for this character is pretty stupid imho. They did this so the dragonfly boss would remain difficult i guess, however they could just make it so willow is only immune to open fires in the world and not the boss or add an extra condition where dragonfly always does 100% fire damage unless scale armor is worn.

Woody used to be a fun character to gather materials with. He was overpowered and deserved the nerf but they nerfed him so far that he is hardly fun to play anymore. You eat more than 3/4 of the wood you chop and go insane far too quickly. The beaver form used to have seperate HP from your characters hp which was "okay" since you always end up with low hp and sanity after you turn back. Now you can die as easily as a fly and you have 1 more resource to manage, the lumber meter. Even if you know what you are doing this far too much crap to deal with to be fun for me.

IMHO these character's deserve another look and a few more tweaks.

Characters that are truely overpowered

Wilson - Unmodded he has the potential to wear 1 more high level winter clothes like item, his beard. This beard hair is used for revival in shadow magic tree as well.

Wigfrid - Infinite hp and sanity if you got good kiting skills its really hard to go insane or die with this character. Proof of this is 80% of the players in all servers unmodded are playing wiggy. She needs nerf.

Webber - Infinite spider meat and the safest character to play. Once you get high level sanity items such as tam o shanter or even top hat its game over. This character is the easiest one to survive with if you know what your doing.

sorry all your rant is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. wolfang and woodie are perfectly fine. if your a experienced players you will start to see why. currently out of the default avatars only willow is rubbish. all others are cool to play and got both positive and negative sides.

and no wigfrid or webber are not overpowered. not beeing able to eat like 60% of available crock pot dishes is a big negative perk. and webber is overrated. imo he is not overpowered , he is just simply different to be played. everyone can be a webber if they wish if they farm spider hats. so you say spider hats are also overpowered and need to be deleted? please give me a break. you got zero knowledge about game balancing or learning curves ...

and you got zero proofs on your side, only because 80% of people play wigfrid doesnt mean she is op. it simply only means she is popular. if you would have looked closer you would have noticed that many many many noobs die with wigfrid regardless of her "op powers in your opinions".

[TheDeadDude]

Wolfgang in DST is harder to play than in single player. You simply don't have enough food to fight very much early on. You have to manage your hunger around 100 until you can stockpile and set up a decent base to mass produce food. Only than can you push your hunger above 100 when you need to fight.

When he is in wimpy mode he does .75 damage which is as bad as wendy. I'd rather be another character than have to deal with a hunger meter that drains faster than necessary. Sure hes a good character when you have tons more resources but he's a true pain in the ass early on. If you are playing with a team full of noobs you will often find yourself starving to death if you base with them.

Woody simply isn't fun for me to play anymore.

Calling my opinion crap as a very nice way to state your opinion rather than give me actual reasons than "if your experienced" you would know these chars are fine. Please don't even respond to me if you can't constructively argue.

What may be boring or unfun to me is probably different for yourself and others i'm just laying out my 2 cents.

[Gyro]

Dunno,i always play as Wes and his damage multiplier is fine

[Mr. Bones]

I just play as custom characters. As most of them are broken.
Solaire, One-punch man and Gaster are the most broken ones I've seen.

[Retrolicious]

Originally posted by TheDeadDude:

Wolfgang in DST is harder to play than in single player. You simply don't have enough food to fight very much early on. You have to manage your hunger around 100 until you can stockpile and set up a decent base to mass produce food. Only than can you push your hunger above 100 when you need to fight.

When he is in wimpy mode he does .75 damage which is as bad as wendy. I'd rather be another character than have to deal with a hunger meter that drains faster than necessary. Sure hes a good character when you have tons more resources but he's a true pain in the ass early on. If you are playing with a team full of noobs you will often find yourself starving to death if you base with them.

Woody simply isn't fun for me to play anymore.

Calling my opinion crap as a very nice way to state your opinion rather than give me actual reasons than "if your experienced" you would know these chars are fine. Please don't even respond to me if you can't constructively argue.

What may be boring or unfun to me is probably different for yourself and others i'm just laying out my 2 cents.

ok you want reasons no problems for me. i just hoped you could come up with reasons yourself, like i believe in people and their ability to think.

lets me start in order:

Wolfgang early own was never meant as a roflstomp figher. You know balancing excists as a reason. If you want a noob friendly out of the box working fighter got for Wigfrid and the likes.
Basically Wolfgang is for experienced veteran players. Wolfgang got 2 "game phases" at start he is a very good gatherer and situational very powerful fighter. Ofc that all depends on your PARTY and allies. If you understand how to coop and specialize fighting early on is very much viable. The key component means sharing food and buffing the figher aka wolfgang with friends food and whatnot so he can kill early hazards. Aka specialize your party have a tank , have a mage supporter , have an explorer , have an architect. Right ? Believe me Wolfgang is prefectly fine he might seem maybe to you subjectivelly gimped at the first 1-5 days. But later once the game has settled and your world excists for over a year and what not he is a lategame powerhorse like noother. He is unrivaled with his ability to use food in the way he does. Only because you dont want to choose a powerful character doesnt mean he is crap for anybody. Its fine if you only play casually and can only survive 10 - 20 days and never be able to build epic megabases. I agree for a restricted 20 day playthrough wolfgang is not suited for that. He is a clear endgame char with the more time passed the more powerful he gets. Think about wolfgang like the protoss in starcraft :p

Woodie is very much fun in the right hands and mindsets. Me personally woodie is my favourite character. Sure fighting giants and such is fun with wigfrid and wolfgang, but i feel in a overall , allround setting as a party support woodie seems more versatile. Basically if you love building and constructing epic mega bases go with woodie. Dont pick wickerbottom she might be able to build alot of stuff early on. But in endgame building woodie > wickerbottom.
Also woodie is one of the best characters to explore caves early on and get precious loot VERY fast and fast tech to certain items / buildings. Woodie is very much not reliant on specific tools aka werebeaver is his multitool belt. And woodie can stay in caves almost indefinitelly as long as you got pine cones with you. Pine cones is a very very efficient method of maintaining sanity high up!

And yes i can constructivelly argue, but i feel talking with people who to so small experience or cant make up for their own thoughts or mind what pro and cons each character has is a lost cause. Either you need more time in survival game and "get them better" or you are idc.

And if you are indeed just an idc person who likes to randomly rant, then its not a fruitful discussion anyway. Now the ball is in YOUR field. And never let YOUR opinion appear to be facts. Because my opinion is not an opinion, because everything i can back up with facts. But you on the other side you say "woodie is not fun to play anymore "XX missing whatever reason". So yes your the clear troll and opinion shouter here.
And no my writings again is not opinion, since it involved intense avatar testing and comparing DST avatars to single DS avatars and thinking about pros and cons. You on the other side seem to speak with your belly about "feelings". Nope feelings are not arguments or facts.

my 2 cents let them grow and blossom or continue your flame war. People cant be forced to truth or wisdom, only time will tell.

[Raptor]

In madness mode servers she is a devilishly epic character burn everything of the enemies

[Super]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

forget about willow its a lost cause. even if you wanna play her "normally" and are not a griefer she is simply bad. bernie is completelly useless and she is nerfed to oblivion. only positive side is when you wanna play her is her looks. so if you like her looks or skins then use her. for her perks and skills she is pure rubbish.

Oh, I know you're going to hate this. But I'll say it anyways. As a Willow main, I beg to differ. Her lighter is great for portable cooking on long trips or in the Ruins, Bernie is great for fighting sanity draining bosses, her insanity freezing has been buffed so that it hardly happens (And really, sanity isn't even that hard to manage.), and while it's harder to utilize with her losing her fire resistance, fire can be used to boost sanity significantly.

[Sonar]

Originally posted by Supersonickid64 󰀈:

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

forget about willow its a lost cause. even if you wanna play her "normally" and are not a griefer she is simply bad. bernie is completelly useless and she is nerfed to oblivion. only positive side is when you wanna play her is her looks. so if you like her looks or skins then use her. for her perks and skills she is pure rubbish.

Oh, I know you're going to hate this. But I'll say it anyways. As a Willow main, I beg to differ. Her lighter is great for portable cooking on long trips or in the Ruins, Bernie is great for fighting sanity draining bosses, her insanity freezing has been buffed so that it hardly happens (And really, sanity isn't even that hard to manage.), and while it's harder to utilize with her losing her fire resistance, fire can be used to boost sanity significantly.

How did you find this thread, it's from 2016.