Huge design flaw

[Falmingkitter]

When all characters in a world die, there is an involuntary automatic reset timer that deletes your entire world, AND all rollback saves. This timer always exists, even if there's a way for you to revive yourself.

Amazing world with perfect world gen, completely gone because an automatic and unavoidable timer went down. Anyone else see the problem here? Pretty sure if I go through the game files I can find my save somewhere, but this should really be changed so it's not forced

Edit: aaand nope, it's gone. Not only does your world get automatically deleted, but it also completely purges everything from the game directory. Your games are good, Klei, but this wasn't thought through at all.

Edit: This is not a "waah perma death" thread, this is point out a conflict of design. You either give the player a chance to roll back the world or you automatically delete it on death, don't mix the two. "Stop crying about permadeath" comments will be reported for derailing the thread and trolling. It's one tiny feature, and this is a feature suggestion thread, get over yourselves.

[Ozzey_Lee]

Just play on a wilderness world. Or play on an endless world. Or if you really like the idea of ghosts, reload a save once all players die.

If your really persistent you could also save the world file for later use so that you always have perfect world gen although that defeats the purpose of a rng world.

[Falmingkitter]

Ozzey_Lee の投稿を引用：

Just play on a wilderness world. Or play on an endless world. Or if you really like the idea of ghosts, reload a save once all players die.

You missed the point.

Automatic world deletion & file purge

[Ozzey_Lee]

Falmingkitter の投稿を引用：

Ozzey_Lee の投稿を引用：

Just play on a wilderness world. Or play on an endless world. Or if you really like the idea of ghosts, reload a save once all players die.

You missed the point.

Automatic world deletion & file purge

Automatic with timer that gives at least a minute to rollback and in that time you should be able to quit to main menu and rollback as slow as you want assuming you saved.

The game does say it's uncompromising though I can understand your frustration.

[Falmingkitter]

󰀀 Redhead 󰀈 の投稿を引用：

Millions of solutions exploits , mods and cheese, yet OP nags with a tiny feature.

Inb4 look up definition of "rogue-lite"
might as well filter all games with rogue-lite tag in future.

BTW DST is cheap dirt easy with the rollback and save exploits.
I'm serious DST is basically 75% easier than the singleplayer experience.

The real hardcore game is DS , shipwrecked or hamlet, because there is no ghost or "timer" so you will instantly loose everything without reaction time. Yes 2 minutes time to save or exploit your work is pretty generous.

Also i'm pretty sure there are tons of mods in the workshop to stop timer or change settings.
Also this is why you can go for endless or wildneress mode.
Example fix:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1198790480&searchtext=no+play

Next time before posting educate yourself first? Simply avoid survival mode, since this seems too triggered ....

PS: Is 2 minutes really too small time to simply quit the server or rollback? Yes DST you can't play afk. :sacked:

I wonder how people can be both so salty and troll at the same time

Touch stone on the other side of the map. that satisfy you? I played DS and I beat adventure mode, I'm not "nagging about a tiny feature", I'm nagging about a feature that has no reason to exist. if you really want it, make a hardcore game mode where everything is instantly deleted on death, no reviving at all, but dont come in here with your out of place salt

[Falmingkitter]

󰀀 Redhead 󰀈 の投稿を引用：

Falmingkitter の投稿を引用：

I wonder how people can be both so salty and troll at the same time

Touch stone on the other side of the map. that satisfy you? I played DS and I beat adventure mode, I'm not "nagging about a tiny feature", I'm nagging about a feature that has no reason to exist. if you really want it, make a hardcore game mode where everything is instantly deleted on death, no reviving at all, but dont come in here with your out of place salt

It has a reason to exist, since like 5 years. You must be living under a rock right?
If you hate the game so much design your own game or mod the heck out of it.
Feel free to be a pro skillz modder <3

PS: I'm not salty at all, im perfectly calm. In fact in beat DST and it gets boring easy ...
And no i'm not a pro player, but i know how to coop and form party with frends :p
How about finding a steam group or hate more in your reddit feed instead ? ...

You're so adamant that you're right, when it's such an obvious design flaw. How do I know? inconsistency. Why would you be able to disconnect from and rollback a game, but if the game magically restarts itself, THEN we go full hardcore mode and purge every save file

I also said I love Klei's games,I'm just pointing out this huge design flaw, which further proves you're just a forum troll. Either that or you have problems being nice to internet strangers

[Kitty]

Well, it's been known for a while that if you really insist on keeping a map, you just make a quick back up of it on your computer yourself. It's not ideal, but it's what we got. I have a folder myself with four or five ideal maps for my way of playing.
I don't really think it's a design flaw. It's really not that much of an inconvenience to just prepare, in my opinion of couse. There wouldn't be ANY punishment for dying otherwise, and if you want exactly that, they gave us other gamemodes to venture into.

The timer also resets if you restart the server, just in case you don't want to rollback because reasons and your touchstone or whatever is further away than 2 minutes of ghostly roaming.

[Falmingkitter]

❄︎ Kitty の投稿を引用：

Well, it's been known for a while that if you really insist on keeping a map, you just make a quick back up of it on your computer yourself. It's not ideal, but it's what we got. I have a folder myself with four or five ideal maps for my way of playing.
I don't really think it's a design flaw. It's really not that much of an inconvenience to just prepare, in my opinion of couse. There wouldn't be ANY punishment for dying otherwise, and if you want exactly that, they gave us other gamemodes to venture into.

The timer also resets if you restart the server, just in case you don't want to rollback because reasons and your touchstone or whatever is further away than 2 minutes of ghostly roaming.

Another problem is that is never tells you 0 = perma death for your world. I assumed that restarting the world would auto roll back a day or two, since I usually just start a new game instead of restarting

[Ozzey_Lee]

We all learned that dying=purged world just like you. I don't play worlds long enough to care about losing anything and am now killing myself more often, because why not.

But if you really need to save a world there are tons of ways around the reset but the reset is somewhat essential to add some reason to not die, for survival at least.

[Luna]

BE GLAD YOU HAVE A TIMER. IN NORMAL DON'T STARVE IS YOU DEAD BYE BYE WORLD INSTANTLY!

[Falmingkitter]

P_Duyd の投稿を引用：

BE GLAD YOU HAVE A TIMER. IN NORMAL DON'T STARVE IS YOU DEAD BYE BYE WORLD INSTANTLY!

Are we roleplaying as wolfgang? ok.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A COMPLAINT. EITHER HAVE THE WORLD DELETED ON DEATH, OR DON'T. DON'T HAVE A POORLY MIXED SYSTEM WHERE YOU CAN SAVE AND ROLLBACK THE WORLD, UNLESS YOU LET THE TIMER RUN OUT.

[Falmingkitter]

󰀀 Redhead 󰀈 の投稿を引用：

Falmingkitter の投稿を引用：

Another problem is that is never tells you 0 = perma death for your world. I assumed that restarting the world would auto roll back a day or two, since I usually just start a new game instead of restarting

But that is a huge design flaw of english itsself. Blame the language not the game or devs.
Many people mixed up words like rollback , restart or delete and recreate.
It a translation problem, if anything.

But the design concept itsself is rock soild and did proof itsself for 5 years. If it was so huge and crappy game, the devs or klei would be bankrupt or out of order.
So facts proved you wrong? Again i don't advocate for this game per se, but if you feel its so bad or frustrating you could have seen that easily by twitch streams, reviews or informed decision.
It is just alien to join a game forum for like a 5 year old game and complain about one of its main features.

It's like going to the fortnite forums and complain that you have to kill and shoot people in order to win the game. I'm just pointing out that your opinion is awkward that's all sorry ....

Did you ever play the singeplayer don't starve? If yes why didn't you complain about the perma death there? If not why do you complain then? No research?

But be my guest feel free to search all the game forums and google, you won't find a 1000+ post thread about "REMOVE SERVER RESET NAO". So your pretty alone on this.
And the reviews are also not -20% popularity, remov dis game server reset unfair, nu nu nu.

You would be looking on a same trollish thread like this one as example:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/200210/discussions/0/343787283743456642/

This one is actually trending ...

It's just devils advocate ....

There is no translation problem, the game devs are english; Rollback means to go back some, restart meant to *start* *re*(over again)

dont starve IS a single player game, don't starve together is the version with optional multiplayer. There's no reason to complain about the perma death in dont starve because the game never advertises that you can go back and restart the same world. Don't Starve Together is full of second chances.

At this point I'm just going to report you for trolling/ thread derailment and block you. I've made it very clear that I don't hate this game, but this one tiny detail wasn't thought out properly. It doesn't ruin the entire game, but it's very deceptive.

[Ozzey_Lee]

Falmingkitter の投稿を引用：

P_Duyd の投稿を引用：

BE GLAD YOU HAVE A TIMER. IN NORMAL DON'T STARVE IS YOU DEAD BYE BYE WORLD INSTANTLY!

Are we roleplaying as wolfgang? ok.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A COMPLAINT. EITHER HAVE THE WORLD DELETED ON DEATH, OR DON'T. DON'T HAVE A POORLY MIXED SYSTEM WHERE YOU CAN SAVE AND ROLLBACK THE WORLD, UNLESS YOU LET THE TIMER RUN OUT.

Well in normal Don't Starve reviving is automatic and there are no player ghosts at all. I assume the system is the way it is since DST is run on a server. The timer is there since the game forces you to become a ghost anyway and rather than forcing the server to reset when the last player dies and becomes a ghost it decides to start a timer to let everyone on the server know that it is about to reset meaning that if anyone wants to save the world they should revive in that time or rollback.

In short most of the problems you are having seem to be caused by the addition of ghost mode in DST.

[saar]

Ozzey_Lee の投稿を引用：

We all learned that dying=purged world just like you. I don't play worlds long enough to care about losing anything and am now killing myself more often, because why not.

But if you really need to save a world there are tons of ways around the reset but the reset is somewhat essential to add some reason to not die, for survival at least.

[fish]

everyone is this is saltier than a salt company



anyways i think theres a mod that stops the timer

[Luna]

world purging is a core part of don't starve
so either
play endless
or just don't die
or use mods