Woodie REALLY sucks now.

[The Very Hungry Caterpillar]

This refresh is absolutely awful. He was bad before this patch. Now he is even worse. A couple of the many issues.

Things that made Woodie unique are just gone.

• Log meter is gone.
  
• No more log diet.
  
• No transforming into a Beaver by chopping.

The log meter wasn't great but it was something that made him unique. AFAIK it even existed as a hidden stat in singleplayer. It has almost always been a part of Woodie and should NOT have been removed. Just buffed/reworked.

Now his tranformations behave like another character, Wilba. He now transforms from eating monster meat along with other items. Tree's used to be very important to his transformations. Now monster meat is. Doesn't make sense from a lore perspective.

His beaver form was previously a curse that the player had to manage to play Woodie well. Now his beaver curse is just a weird transformation. Woodie lost things that made him unique to play and were replaced with.......Wilba's abilities. Disappointing.

Beaver form received a heavy nerf.

Being in Beaver form now drains a MASSIVE amount of HUNGER in addition to its already extremely high sanity drain. It's also harder to stay in beaver form since you can no longer eat wood to extend it. Oh and you can no longer enter it from chopping tree's or neglecting Woodie's curse (log meter) since it was removed.

No more sanity from pinecone's.

The one thing that made the horrible sanity drain from Beaver form somewhat tolerable is just gone.

Woodie is now a worse Lumberjack.

He wasn't a good lumberjack before the patch. Now he is even weaker.

In addition to the massive beaver nerf's he now spawns more treeguard's from chopping. This means he has to deal with more treeguards interrupting his chopping session. His beaver form has (unless it was removed) a hidden damage bonus to treeguards. Now that beaver has been heavily nerfed he will have a harder time dealing with the now increased treeguard yield.

Might be a useful perk but for newer/less experienced players (who likely thought Woodie was bad because they ate wood while chopping instead of turning into the beaver, who is better at chopping than Woodie) this is probably a major issue for them.

His new speed form absolutely sucks.

It makes him move +40% faster for 20 seconds. (A walking cane is +25% movespeed.) Oh and it also drains a HUGE amount of hunger and sanity. Pure garbage.

His new combat form also sucks.

He instantly LOSES HEALTH upon entering this form, his armor and weapon DROP TO THE GROUND, and the duration is very short. (20 seconds I think.) It also has a transformation period where Woodie is stunned and can't fight back. Oh and he also loses a HUGE amount of hunger and sanity. All for a short period of Thulecite Club tier damage.

So after the short period of his combat form he will be stunned, have a modest health loss, a large sanity loss, no armor (it is dropped and dequipped on entering this form), no weapon (also dropped and dequipped) and will now be starving (and taking damage from it). Not sure why I would want to inflict such heavy penalties on myself in combat. I can't think of any situations where this would be beneficial.



What on earth was Klei thinking with this refresh? I thought they learned after the Winona disaster. (At launch Winona's downside made her lose 4800 hunger per day for a 0.5 second speed buff on crafting. Wolfgang's mighty form, widely regarded to be op, only loses 225 hunger per day.) Woodie is just terrible now. How on earth did they think this refresh would be a good idea? Feel's very rushed and unfinished.

I want the old Woodie back.

Edit: Changes I would like to see Klei make to help fix this mess.

• Bring log meter back.
  
• Bring wood diet back.
  
• Bring pine cone sanity back.
  
• Revert the nerfs to beaver.
  
• Change increased treeguards to only apply while in Beaver form. (since beaver has a damage bonus to them.)
  
• Get rid of monster meat transformations.
  
• And replace them with unique living log crafted transformation items.
  
• Lessen the penalties of the new forms.
  
• And increase the duration.

This wouldn't completely fix Woodie but would at least help reduce the mess he is currently in and continue's with his "wood/tree/lumberjack" theme.

[Chazz]

well ... it would be cool to be reworked tbh or a bit tweaked ... not saying those transformations are totally horrible , well they are , but they could tweak those ... like no hunger drain ? :)

in combat you stay longer as moose , but yeah the healing part is a problem really ... unless you have a wortox ... but i havent seen many playing wortox tbh ,since wortox is kinda ... "bad" ? sure he has his shiny moments but thats it ...

beaver form feels weird now and something i dont want to use at all kinda ... im better with lucy unlimited dura than using this form ...

goose form sure faster ,but why ? here same thing hunger drain ewww

feels stupid to drop my armor and such stuff ,however we keep backpack atleast :^) .... and 2 meat to transform ,but yeah .. the part with hunger and health when transformed sucks a lot ... like really a lot.

and dont forget lucy ... she makes no sense now xD

[The Very Hungry Caterpillar]

Originally posted by Chazz:

in combat you stay longer as moose , but yeah the healing part is a problem really ... unless you have a wortox ... but i havent seen many playing wortox tbh ,since wortox is kinda ... "bad" ? sure he has his shiny moments but thats it ...

My goodness. He can't even HEAL in the combat form? I didn't realize this.

[That guy with the Spoon]

he never could? you can't use healing items and you can't eat normal food either?

[Veras]

No, he's actually usefull now. Log meter sucked.

[Parasaurolophus]

Originally posted by Turtle Man:

No, he's actually usefull now. Log meter sucked.

Actually read what was posted instead commenting just on the log meter. Maybe you'll see how bad he is.

[Invader Tee]

I really hope they bring back the sanity via planting pinecones!

[Proc]

I never really cared for chopping wood, I walways wanted to use Woodie's wereform for combat, and I thought the weremoose was the answer i had been waiting for. But it is just so underwhelming, specially compared to Wilba who just shreds trough everything without losing speed for it.

If I were to suggest changes to the weremoose in particular:

-Give him Wigfried's ability to gain health and sanity by punching enemies so he can actually sustain himnself. You made him slower so he cant kite as well, then you better make him tanky enough to take punishment.

-Raise his armor just a bit more. Woodie has to sacrifice a lot to engage in this form in combat: he has to spend the resources to change form, then he's locked out of his inventory so he can't heal, and he drops weapons and armor so he has to fend off his enemies with only what his form can do. By all rights, if I turn into a towering monster to slug it out with the Deerclops, I shouldn't feel like i'm much worse off than Winston with a ham bat and marble armor.