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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 11:35am
R.I.P Good Old DST!?
Welcome Modern DST with p2w mechanics and showoff (AKA: toxic) community!?
:steamfacepalm: :steamfacepalm:

Golden question:
Is a Character DLC necessary to support devs for new content? (Not a new game.)
While there is:

1- 11 Skin set DLC's available in Store.
2- Merchandise to buy.
3- Forced data collection.
4- And the price of game itself.

In another form of question, Is adding a character DLC for DST brings more profit than 4 things mentioned above?
If not, then what is the need to lock a character for Spool or real cash.

Last edited by Chesmu; May 15, 2019 @ 4:10pm
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Originally posted by solid_blob:
It can be hard to tell when one game company can have several names and change it's name and image. Is a game really an indie company or is it a major corporation? Both? Neither? Games change ownership all the time and so do companies. But who out there is looking up the past owner, who they own, and who owns them, who they used to be and what games they made under past names before they decide to buy that game. They say "Red Dead 2, I liked Red Dead 1." Game companies are made up of their people and that can change drastically. Where did those other people go? There's no transparency in games, what you see is not what you get, and it can change at any point down the line. Sure, we would know if EA bought Klei, but strangers to the game wouldn't. If they offered them enough money, who could blame them? Then they could just release even more characters since it's regular practice.

I pose you this:
If you believe games are a product and not a service, then you should be opposed to DLC characters like Wortox.

1. Wortox is better than the other characters. That's not an accident.
2. When you buy a product, you should own it right? Isn't that part of it?
3. They can change any part of the game in the future to make you dependent on DLC characters.
4. How much effort went into Wortox Vs. the rest of the game, price difference?

I think we're supposed to always feel like video games are ripping us off so that we desperately scratch at deals and sales and registration forms.
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24/7🔴Triple B>Backpacks/Keys Mar 30, 2019 @ 11:40am 
troll post
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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 11:40am 
Originally posted by TripleMasterA:
troll post
No, It's real concern.
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Tornadodex Mar 30, 2019 @ 11:44am 
I don't understand how it's pay to win. I know Wortox costs money, but that doesn't mean that he's better than everyone else. In fact, some people think he's terrible. Also, isn't DST supposed to be a cooperative game? It's not like he has that much of a PvP advantage (if anyone still does PvP anymore) :hollowknight:
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LaChouette Mar 30, 2019 @ 11:46am 
Pay to win? When you know how to play, it's incredibly easy to survive. When you don't, Wortox is as hard as the other characters, as evidenced by several threads here, he's certainly not a cheat character.
Add to that the fact that he's extremely cheap to weave, given that they've changed the drop system to give 15 drops instead of 4 per week, 7 of which you get without actually playing and with better chances of rare drops than before. There is no need to pay for Wortox if you don't want to.
If not a troll, you have no reason to be concerned. If a troll, well, hope you're having fun!
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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by Tornadodex:
I don't understand how it's pay to win. I know Wortox costs money, but that doesn't mean that he's better than everyone else. In fact, some people think he's terrible. Also, isn't DST supposed to be a cooperative game? It's not like he has that much of a PvP advantage (if anyone still does PvP anymore) :hollowknight:

Ofc not. By p2w I meant the mechanics. Not actually a winning. Like making the player grind so hard or select an easier way to obtain a locked content, which is paying real cash. This, is how p2w games earn money.
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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 11:48am 
Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:
I know this is bait, but whatever.

You must live under a rock or hyperstasis?You're like 3 years too late. Why didn't you start your hatetrain in 2016 when they actually introduced skins and gamble drops? Cause that is the same mechanic with spools just abit more confusing.

Do people remember when the deerclops was the only spooky boss in the game?
Lmao those were too easy times ...

Chesmu seriously you need either to get laid or some bright sunshine.

Your rambling and opening and getting locked on several threads aint change nothing.

And it surely won't stop people playing DST and enjoying the new Wortox.
No matter what weird profit model they come up in future or present ...

Well that's nice. :) I have no intention to make people stop playing this game. I'm just concerned with this game following the wrong direction.
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Visualvengeance Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:03pm 
Yhm I think I missed it, what is it pay to win about it?
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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by Visualvengeance:
Yhm I think I missed it, what is it pay to win about it?
Hey visual. It's the grind hard or pay kind of p2w. :))
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Visualvengeance Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:07pm 
I don't know if it can be called pay to win, more like pay to play it earlier? As others said 2700 spools are not that hard to get, especially with the new drop system, if Klei would have wanted to make it pay to win, they would've not increased the weekly drop rates. Besides Wortox is not that OP like Wickerbottom or Wolfgang so I don't know
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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by Visualvengeance:
I don't know if it can be called pay to win, more like pay to play it earlier? As others said 2700 spools are not that hard to get, especially with the new drop system, if Klei would have wanted to make it pay to win, they would've not increased the weekly drop rates. Besides Wortox is not that OP like Wickerbottom or Wolfgang so I don't know

Yeah but I perfer using p2w than inventing a new word. It does the job :D

2700 Spool isn't hard to get eh? I was above level 100 at forge and above 50 at gorge and was playing daily. With all that events and daily play I got 5k Spool at all. (By opening more than 100 event chests which means more than 400 Items to unravel and yet only 5k.

Now we don't have events for a while (Obv). And drop rates did increase indeed but we no more receive chests and even if we do its still very hard to grind 2700 Spool only by weekly drops. Because most of the time you get really useless stuff and only one or two worthy stuff. Proof? the drop rates. The top quality drop rate is still less than 3%. And one need to login every day and play every day till weeks or months to only weave this character. And guess what? there are 3 upcoming characters. The player is not being treated well here. :)
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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:20pm 
Originally posted by 󰀀Chesmu󰀀:
Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:
Say chesmu, i bet you are a total fan of GTA:Online. Aren't you?

:steammocking:
Trying to gather my personal info to attack it in order to say my 'opinion' is wrong? Wise move but no thanks. Just stick to the topic please. (If you have anything to add.) Thanks.
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Chesmu Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:34pm 
Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:
Originally posted by 󰀀Chesmu󰀀:
Nah it just shows you got an education gap. Else you wouldn't use the term p2w wrongly.
Tiny hint DST is not a free to play game or freemium.

"shrug"

haters gonna hate i guess

See? you are just after my personal info like what games I play or what is my education level or etc.. instead of analyzing purely my opinion. :)
I made myself clear why I prefer to use p2w at comments above but I will mention it here again:
"I perfer using p2w than inventing a new word. It does the job". So if you can't understand it it's not my fault. Haters gonna hate I guess:)
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Visualvengeance Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:50pm 
Originally posted by 󰀀Chesmu󰀀:
Originally posted by Visualvengeance:
I don't know if it can be called pay to win, more like pay to play it earlier? As others said 2700 spools are not that hard to get, especially with the new drop system, if Klei would have wanted to make it pay to win, they would've not increased the weekly drop rates. Besides Wortox is not that OP like Wickerbottom or Wolfgang so I don't know

Yeah but I perfer using p2w than inventing a new word. It does the job :D

2700 Spool isn't hard to get eh? I was above level 100 at forge and above 50 at gorge and was playing daily. With all that events and daily play I got 5k Spool at all. (By opening more than 100 event chests which means more than 400 Items to unravel and yet only 5k.

Now we don't have events for a while (Obv). And drop rates did increase indeed but we no more receive chests and even if we do its still very hard to grind 2700 Spool only by weekly drops. Because most of the time you get really useless stuff and only one or two worthy stuff. Proof? the drop rates. The top quality drop rate is still less than 3%. And one need to login every day and play every day till weeks or months to only weave this character. And guess what? there are 3 upcoming characters. The player is not being treated well here. :)


It still doesn't explain how it's pay to win though, it takes some time to get it indeed, but if you save up your patience shall be rewarded, there's no "grind" you don't need to do anything to get it, say kill 100000 mobs etc You just play the game normally and open your gifts and hope rn-jesus is on your side and get an Elegant. Me and my friend already got two Elegants since the new drop system has been introduced and considering you can get a month 60 gift drops, the chances of getting an elegant are higher compared with the forge or gorge.

Oh look I've to login and and play the game to receive the items... what a drag... do you know what would've been pay to win? If Klei would get rid of the current system, replace it with "skins cases" and if you want to open said cases just buy a key from the shop, as many many MANY game companies do nowadays. The character is cheap, both if you look at in spools or real $ so not sure what the drama, want it early pay up and support the devs, you don't like it? Well "grind out" the 2700 spools, granted it will take some time but you will be able to get it.

Not sure if it's right to throw around claims at Klei such as greedy or pay to win, they're really not doing that, people throwing around said claims just show how little they know about the industry and its monetization pratices, say EA or ubisoft for those living in the US, or perhaps some of you might be familiar with the "lovely" folks at Nexon corporation? So please let's not throw around such extreme claims.

The recent altitude of a few people in the community honestly worries me, if one day Klei decides to put all future content behind DLCS, paid content and non spool unlockable stuff then you guys should be proud of yourselves, can't you just be happy and enjoy the new content? Besides this character is just to support the developers so they can make free content in the future.

People man... People no one complained when they did countless free giveaways, free events where you could get a lot of cool stuff for free, why did no one complain then? No one said "pew what a nice devs wish I could support them somehow" But I dare you they release some OPTIONAL paid content cause that's when the greedy call greedy.

Just my two cents on the matter.
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Katitoff Mar 30, 2019 @ 12:58pm 
Originally posted by 󰀀Chesmu󰀀:
Originally posted by Visualvengeance:
Yhm I think I missed it, what is it pay to win about it?
Hey visual. It's the grind hard or pay kind of p2w. :))
Except
1) Grind is not hard with revamped drop system
2) There is no kind of p2w
3) You REALLY need to learn words and shorts meaning and definition before using them.
4) Would you prefer no new characters, no characters revamps and no new content, because developers can't get founds for that otherwise?


Game development is not charity, everything costs money. If you have a problem with giving someone money for their hard work, then don't do it, but most certainly don't act so shocked and entitled when they do.

If anything, its an absolute miracle that we've got support for the game for so many years without having to buy any content DLCs, like ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPERS IN THE WHOLE F***ING WORLD DO.

Stop being a special snowflake and either buy it if you want it, or simply don't, but don't victimise yourself or slam developers.

Originally posted by 󰀀Chesmu󰀀:
Yeah but I perfer using p2w than inventing a new word. It does the job :D

If the job is to mislead people and invoke ovservation bias and pull a strawman argument, then I guess it does the job indeed.
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Katitoff Mar 30, 2019 @ 1:06pm 
Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:
I get the feeling OP doesn't even own a smartphone or play on other platforms. Seems like DST is the first and only skin type game they ever experienced and are shocked of the aftermath from 2016.
Just imagine the meltdown poor sob will have the moment he will install and launch a game published by activision or EA.
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