Character Tier list?

[Haich]

All characters are good so shut

[dat_potatoe]

Publicado originalmente por Ozzey_Lee:

In general it is the how you view the character rather than how useful they really are. Just because a character is strong late game doesn't mean they are good or any better than others. Just look for characters that will complement the way you want to play the game and you will realize mistakes made by people that play the game the same way. No need to make a crock pot and bird cage every game especially the cage which wastes resources.

Non-responses like this piss me off immensely.

"Meta doesn't matter just play who you FEEL like" is not a counter-argument to the meta. It's vapid anti-intellectual nonsense and I'm tired of seeing it across every meta discussion for every game ever. You can play Wes because you like playing Wes, but that doesn't change him being factually the worst character in the game. Your enjoyment of a character isn't the same as the factual effectiveness of that character. A skilled Roy does NOT beat any Fox.

Saying that the cage is a waste of resources is moronic. It unlocks the best recipes in the game and lets you mass produce gunpowder. And for what, six gold and eight papyrus. What else are you going to spend that on, some regal shovels and fire darts? THAT's the waste of resources, not the cage.

Saying that you don't need a crockpot is flat out wrong.

[Ozzey_Lee]

Putting a character above others just because they have advantages that the community says is better isn't the way to decide who's better. Look at wilson, you can argue as hard as you want and still he is the best winter character. (using your arguement of a character is good because they are good), Also surviving indefinitely without a crock pot is possible and not wrong. Webber is an amazing example of this and saying something like spiders can't kill giants isn't a reason to say he isn't great. If anything I can say wx is garbage just because he has a disadvantage (rain hp drain).

Stop looking at the possitives of only the few characters that are the "Meta" and figure out things that can be done with the existing characters.

Also bird cages are arguably not near as great as just using jerky and a couple hunts which gets you to every character can well.

[dat_potatoe]

A character being the best at one niche thing doesn't compare to another character being amazing at several different, objectively far more important things. You're being obtuse.

Being the best winter character is a pointless distinction. Wearing full winter gear already gives you far more insulation than you'll ever need. That one insignificant upside does not make up for losing the plethora of upsides that other characters offer.

But at least now you're actually trying to debate instead of just saying "lol the debate doesn't matter" which infuriates me to no end.

You think the tier list was formed without looking at the positives of every character? Hell I already broke down the positives of every character. It's just the fact that some characters have more significant positives than others. It is what it is, whether you want to accept that or not.

You can have both a bird cage and a collection of jerky racks. They don't even use the same resources to make. But yes, jerky racks are a viable alternative. It's still not even close to being a 'waste" to make a bird cage.

You should always have a crockpot, no exception. You can't effectively feed an entire server with morsels alone, not without unnecessarilly wasting tons of time hunting, and even Webber benefits from having a crockpot. 50/50 of getting Bacon&Eggs or Monster Lasagne, and both are better food items for him than individual monster meats.

[Ozzey_Lee]

While I can understand where your coming from with using beneficial resources for advantages I guess It's from me coming from a different game experience. I attempt to get as far as possible with the least amount of resources. later on in the game having access to as many things as you can is great but for me doing all my work early game is the way I intend to play. I can understand that wikkerbottom being able to produce many different resources in mass is powerful, if anything you can keep her at the top of the list, but after that it's a free for all for the other spaces. since as far as combat characters go later on wx and wolfgang are heavily arguably more powerful but I stay with wigfrid on that one since she is tankier, meaning I can fight for longer periods of time even if armor durability drops a bunch. reason for me is that maximum hp mainly dictates in long term combat how often you'll need to heal. I will continue to look for as many advantages for existing characters though while treating wikkerbottom as the only true higher up character.

[Gubbins]

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Publicado originalmente por dat_potatoe:

Non-responses like this piss me off immensely.

"Meta doesn't matter just play who you FEEL like" is not a counter-argument to the meta. It's vapid anti-intellectual nonsense and I'm tired of seeing it across every meta discussion for every game ever. You can play Wes because you like playing Wes, but that doesn't change him being factually the worst character in the game. Your enjoyment of a character isn't the same as the factual effectiveness of that character. A skilled Roy does NOT beat any Fox.

Saying that the cage is a waste of resources is moronic. It unlocks the best recipes in the game and lets you mass produce gunpowder. And for what, six gold and eight papyrus. What else are you going to spend that on, some regal shovels and fire darts? THAT's the waste of resources, not the cage.

Saying that you don't need a crockpot is flat out wrong.

Also, a bit of a late response from me but I completely agree with this.

Roasted

[Gubbins]

Publicado originalmente por Milk And Cookies:

Publicado originalmente por Mountain_Dude01:

Roasted

And Toasted.

with butter

[Gubbins]

Publicado originalmente por Milk And Cookies:

Publicado originalmente por Mountain_Dude01:

with butter

Butter that I cannot have because you pick petals

i have a garland

[Gubbins]

Publicado originalmente por Milk And Cookies:

Publicado originalmente por Mountain_Dude01:

i have a garland

New character tier list:

Garland > Wickerbottom > Wigfrid > Maxwell > WX-78 > Wolfgang > Webber > Wendy > Woodie > Wilson > Winona > Wes > Willow

wolfgang>webber???

[Ozzey_Lee]

If you have yet to understand my frustration with putting characters into tiers it is due to me considering them alone and not late game since they all become very similar at that point. Wx wont be over charged that quickly alone, not for winter at least( day 21) that amnd factors that guaruentee success.

[Gubbins]

Publicado originalmente por Ozzey_Lee:

If you have yet to understand my frustration with putting characters into tiers it is due to me considering them alone and not late game sincd they all become very similar at that point. Wx wont be over charged that quickly alone, not for winter at least( day 21

characters arent the same, and dont blend into the same over time. the reasons we make these lists is because we consider the pros and cons, and then which one contributes the best to the team, or as a lone survivor

[Ozzey_Lee]

Which I understand from a perspective, these characters are great (i'd say ok) in a default world, but wikkerbottom basically is useless without reads. wx is fairly powerful in spring which i'd say is his only advantageous season. My point is really that when priorities change so does the so-calles best character.

[Ozzey_Lee]

Guess I couldnt think of this earlier but willow shouldnt be placed at the bottom. She's the only character that can play a lights out world without starting chests, woodie can also but he has to be lucky.

[Gubbins]

Publicado originalmente por Ozzey_Lee:

Guess I couldnt think of this earlier but willow shouldnt be placed at the bottom. She's the only character that can play a lights out world without starting chests, woodie can also but he has to be lucky.

that makes no sense

[Ozzey_Lee]

Lights out worlds...?

[Gubbins]

Publicado originalmente por Ozzey_Lee:

Lights out worlds...?

no, the all characters are the same without there abilities such as wicker without books and wx without lightning. the whole point of the tier list is to take these perks and rank them. otherwise every character would just be wilson with a reskin