Should Wilson and Wes have their own actual perks?

[Tonatiub]

Other than the beard and ballons which are pretty meh of course, I feel like keeping Wilson the vanilla and Wes the challenge character is pretty pointless in DST since its a multiplayer game, I think they should at least give Wilson the bonus tech-level that Wicker doesnt really needs anymore and actually give Wes a tangible advantage

I know this probably has been discussed in the Klei forums before but I wanted to know how popular this idea is on Steam

[The_Technomancer]

Wilson's been meh for the longest time but I couldn't imagine changing him. No downsides is kind of his thing. Definitely keep wes the challenge character, would make him less memey otherwise.

[Tonatiub]

I understand that removing his weaknesses kinda goes against his character concept but he could still be weak while also being useful for something imo

[chaos_guy]

Originally posted by Tonatiub:

I understand that removing his weaknesses kinda goes against his character concept but he could still be weak while also being useful for something imo

no,wes is not the super weak stats-super strong perks
he is definetly not woodlegs

[chaos_guy]

wilson is not the best character but there are some character that are even more useless like willow and woodie

[Terra B Welch]

I do think wes should have at least something to make him beneficial to the team as a whole...

Then again look at woodie and willow, two other characters whom are just about as useless, at least all the other characters serve some kind of purpose, even wilson as his beard can help sometimes for getting beard hair for meat effigies.

[That guy with the Spoon]

it's not about what the character is capable of doing, it's what's the player is capable to do. a character is only as good as the player who plays that character.

that's why webber is considered the noob character because noobs don't know how to crockpot and thus they pick webber so they can shove in all the monstermeat they get.
those people don't utilize webber as they should. webber can start wars among spiders and collect all the spoils. those people only play him because 25 more hp, he's a spider so he's cool and ofc the ability to just eat monstermeat.

next pig village or base with pigs inside will get them beat to death.

[Tonatiub]

flower_guy

I was not implying that his perks need to outweight his shortcomings, just that he doesnt needs to be complete drag as he is right now, also I dont see why the existence of Woodlegs is relevant as he will probably never make an appearance in DST

Terra McCloud

I agree that Woodie is a terrible character to play as right now, I personally think Willow is alright I mean shes not as useful as other characters but her main drawback of getting cold with insanity only really sucks if you are a min-maxer who wants to farm nightmare fuel all the time

My main point was not about making them necessarily better, just more interesting to play as because at the end of the day I have more fun playing as Woodie than I do as Wilson even if I have to put up with how useless the Werebeaver is

I completely understand if people just prefer them the way they are right now tho

[chaos_guy]

wes-the challenge character that is absolutely useless and this is what it supposed to be
woodie-if the werebeaver was stronger he might be too op to farm shadows and explore ruins
well he can get wood and his sanity is easy to manage so he is ok for some begginers and intermediate players
willow-well she is useless and sadly considered as the grifer character choice
there are maybe some willow mains
winona/wilson/wendy/wigfrid-good choice for begginers
not the best but well balanced
maxwell/webber-the farming characters and there is nothing to do with them
others-realy good

[Tonatiub]

"wes-the challenge character that is absolutely useless and this is what it supposed to be"

Why is this gospel for you?, what if he could just be another viable option rather than the one no one is going to want to use anyway?, I feel like most experienced players would rather mod the game to ramp up the difficulty rather than playing as Wes

"woodie-if the werebeaver was stronger he might be too op to farm shadows and explore ruins"

This is fundamentally more a problem with how the game manages insanity rather than with Woodie, insanity is supposedly an undesirable condition but with the incentive of farming nightmare fuel the benefits outweight the annoyance, for some reason Klei has yet to try to expand upon insanity even after it has become glaringly obvious that the game's current meta completely revolves around abusing it at this point

Nightmare Fuel farming in general is already broken, especially because its very easy for Wolfgang to stay insane and at full stomach hes about as strong as the Werebeaver would be before being nerfed

[That guy with the Spoon]

i main wes, okay. i pick him because every other character feels too easy. i don't think wes should be changed except that his pile o' balloons should be free to craft instead of requiring science simply because any other character who comes with their own item can craft their item without the need to prototype the recipe.

it's a change that should be made for consistency sake.

[Tonatiub]

That guy with the Spoon

So would you say that you would dislike it if they gave him an utility or would you just be indifferent to it?

[That guy with the Spoon]

he's fine as he is. and wes has a very nice perk. he can lower his sanity by making balloons and that makes him one of the top nightmare fuel farmers in the game. just make more balloons when a killed shadow makes you sane again. combining this with spam equiping a nightmare amulet to force spawn shadows let's me farm fuel for a base and for myself as i rock mostly darkswords.

a domesticated war beefalo also benefits wes and wendy as the beefalos properties overwrites wes and wendies wimpyness.

[chaos_guy]

let's agree that the ballons are absolutely useless
you can become insane by simply jumping in wormhole few times and you don't want to have the ballons with you all the time
about the damage-taking damage to make max of 500 damage to the enemy is overhelmed by gunpowder