AI stands for Absolute Idiots?

[flimpy]

AI is so dumb it is just beyond belief.

I played one map on heroic (AI was also set to heroic) and I defeated AI hero level 29. Then I went to take his castle full of troops. AI bought the defeated hero and guess what AI did - AI sent this 29 level hero towards my hero without any troops (not attacking, just passing by). His castle was left with level 1 hero and bunch of troops.

I wonder what kind of algorithm is used by AI - I guess it's just a random number generator, nothing more.

[Dogtown1]

castle defense done by the AI is a real problem I have to agree

I have never seen the AI do things like this before in any version of heroes, I hope they patch it up in the new year

I have seen the enemy AI leader with a full load of troops run away from the castle when my army was half the size of his, then just sit in a corner hiding doing nothing till the 7 day limit runs out and lose the game

heroic adds a small amount of challenge but not really, the AI will build a doomsday army and make an attempt at my castle, after defeating him at my castle, the AI just never recovers
the enemy just walks around looking lost

5 had the best AI in my opinion
6 was a very annoying cat and mouse AI

[flimpy]

Originally posted by Dogtown1:

5 had the best AI in my opinion
6 was a very annoying cat and mouse AI

H3 also had a great Artificial Intelligence (can't call it AI anymore since h7 changed the definition to Absolute Idiots). I remember sometimes in H3 I had to use guerrilla tactics as it was the only way to win. Few examples are
a) I had to catch enemy hero near my castle, then give only 1 Phoenix to my hero, attack, cast armageddon and flee or surrender, then buy my hero back and repeat, until enemy's army was reduced to a beatable amounts.
b) If armageddon was out of the picture - I also could catch the enemy hero near my castle, give my hero 7 Phoenix and attack enemy's dragon stacks such that when they would defend, they would also hit their own troops, then flee/surrender and repeat.

It was fun, but in H7 fights are just as dumb as I never imagined they could be.

[Star Paladin]

Yup, multiplayer is a mess; vs AI is laughable.

[bibron]

I remember a fight, where the "AI" (without any range units) just stand there, doing nothing then defending.
I had 2 range units and jeah ... The "AI" didn't even try to attack ;D the "AI" decided to let me shoot down the enemy troops ;D

[wabbit]

For what it's worth devs, this is one player who is waiting for upgrades to the AI as a motivator to buy your product.

[bloodraven43]

Originally posted by wabbit:

For what it's worth devs, this is one player who is waiting for upgrades to the AI as a motivator to buy your product.

lmfao.....the ai isnt that bad at all...a couple more tweeks and it will be golden...flimpy is just to good for video games. ....lol...who needs ai, play a pvp game.

[bibron]

Originally posted by bloodraven43:

Originally posted by wabbit:

For what it's worth devs, this is one player who is waiting for upgrades to the AI as a motivator to buy your product.

lmfao.....the ai isnt that bad at all...a couple more tweeks and it will be golden...flimpy is just to good for video games. ....lol...who needs ai, play a pvp game.

The AI is dumb as ♥♥♥♥ ...
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 5 year old kid can easily beat this ♥♥♥♥ AI on highest difficulty.
Not challengin at all, and buggy too.

[76561198254255697]

Are you talking about combat AI here or adventure map AI?

[ORK]

Both. On combat map enemys really often just stands still and adventure map problems you can see above. Enemy does not even try to defend own main town.

[76561198254255697]

Is the town defense and the skipped actions the only things that seem wrong?

[Dogtown1]

in my opinion

it doesnt matter what game a person plays, the AI is never perfect
but the fact that the AI will not use their strongest hero to defend their castle just makes no sense

if you are outnumbered what do you do? head to the safety of the castle walls and tower defense

the AI will run away, sometimes the highest level hero with ALL the troops will run away and leave a level 1 hero with wimpy troops to defend the castle

if the argument is that the AI is hoping to hide and wait for my army to leave so it can retake the castle, I can see that reasoning
but it needs to run to a sanctuary building or into the fog of war to make this effective
simply standing next to the castle in plain view is not

it reminds me of the problem with ranged units when the game first launched, if you parked ANY unit next to a ranged unit, it would start defending even if it could defeat the unit standing next to it in melee
here the AI feels the threat is to great and its best defense is to run, which is not true

in a castle fight, if the AI would use its ranged units, spells, ballista and towers to attack the enemy, and not leave the safety of the castle walls, its best defense is the castle
this is what the AI would do in homm 5 and 6, it was very effective
the AI would only come out from behind the castle walls if the player was smashing their army with spells and ranged units, or all their ranged units were dead

[shi_mian_mai_fu]

Originally posted by bibron:

Originally posted by bloodraven43:

lmfao.....the ai isnt that bad at all...a couple more tweeks and it will be golden...flimpy is just to good for video games. ....lol...who needs ai, play a pvp game.

The AI is dumb as ♥♥♥♥ ...
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 5 year old kid can easily beat this ♥♥♥♥ AI on highest difficulty.
Not challengin at all, and buggy too.

Don't waste your time. Bloodraven is a troll =)

[bloodraven43]

Originally posted by shi_mian_mai_fu:

Originally posted by bibron:

The AI is dumb as ♥♥♥♥ ...
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 5 year old kid can easily beat this ♥♥♥♥ AI on highest difficulty.
Not challengin at all, and buggy too.

Don't waste your time. Bloodraven is a troll =)

well thank you...so funny and no i dont live under a bridge.

[flimpy]

Originally posted by ORK:

Both. On combat map enemys really often just stands still and adventure map problems you can see above. Enemy does not even try to defend own main town.

yes, both.

In addition to what was said, AI does not use it's strength - it would cast some stupid useless spells, when it has other, very effective spells, which could turn the tables around. Best example I have in mind is from campaign, when Johari could easily defeat me if he would summon elementals at least once (not to mention - every round)., but he just did not.

Another example is I had a battle in one of those places where battle field is divided and there are only two narrow paths connecting two halves. I was just defending and AI ended up moving the last unit it had left back and forth.. say from cell A to cell B, then back to cell A, then back to B...

One other time, I was close to the last castle of the enemy and I did not want to take it, since I wanted to see the rest of the map. So one of my heroes was just standing nearby that castle and AI ended up buying lv1 hero and sending it empty right towards me, as if he wanted to get to the boat and my hero standing on the way was an ally or just was't there. I understand in that situation AI did not have many options, but it acted the most stupid way possible.

[flimpy]

A bit off topic - diplomacy is way overpowered. I recently joined 80 elite units (do not remember what unit it was, maybe dragons..) for little over 20k of gold and some resources (less than 20 items). I think if player is allowed to join elite troops, at least they have to request as much resources as it would require to buy them. There may be other ways to fix this.. but right now.. diplomacy is like an immediate death sentence to all opponents.