Electronic Warfare against a Surface Ship

[Unreliable_Colon]

Hi there,
I am curious about Offensive ECM in the game, but unsure as to how effective it is. Take a EA-18 Growler for example. It's ECM pods, at what range do they start to do their business? And how effective are they against ships?

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There is some info in the Mega-FAQ:
{LINK REMOVED}http://www.warfaresims.com/?page_id=2920#1008

[Apoloyn]

I've used them both offensively and been at the other end of them and IMO it makes a huge diffrence. They honeslty seem to have no range limitation in CMANO. I ran a EA-6B hundreds of nm away from Soviet Foxhounds and Flankers, switched to the other side and still found that they were jammed. As to what it exacty does, I haven't noticed any change in terms of time required for weapons lock, ease of avoiding radar scan etc....

Not too sure about the Growler, I know it replaced the Intruder in the USN, so it could probably be better.

[Dimitris]

That is correct; powerful EM emissions can affect sensitive electronic systems at very great distances.

To give a perspective: One of the reasons that the APQ-181 radar on the B-2 bomber had to be reworked to a different frequency band (a $1B contract IIRC) was that it was determined that a B-2 emitting in the _Arctic circle_ region could potentially cause damage to _geostationary_ comms satellites, at a distance of more than 36.000km.

[Apoloyn]

Hi,

I've got a question:
How specifically does OECM affect the enemy in CMANO?

Originally posted by Dimitris:

That is correct; powerful EM emissions can affect sensitive electronic systems at very great distances.

To give a perspective: One of the reasons that the APQ-181 radar on the B-2 bomber had to be reworked to a different frequency band (a $1B contract IIRC) was that it was determined that a B-2 emitting in the _Arctic circle_ region could potentially cause damage to _geostationary_ comms satellites, at a distance of more than 36.000km.

[Unreliable_Colon]

The reason I started this thread is due to my interest in the 'Black Sea Incident' in which a Russian Su-24 *supposedly* disabled an Arleigh Burke destroyer. Although I'm not going to comment on whether I believe or don't believe on all that as that is a different topic for a different forum, it did get me thinking on just how effective OECM is in CMANO. I'd love to re-enact all sorts of real-life incidents, regardless of just how reliable the information on said incident is.

[Apoloyn]

Yeah I know what your saying. I once blew up a big Russian Missile Cruiser that was Jammed by my EA-6B Prowler, using only 4 missiles on my one aircraft. After doing this again and again, everytime I reloaded the save game, I was like: "Man this seems a bit tooo easy".

[Unreliable_Colon]

Lol I'm completely in the dark about all the jamming stuff. My Arleigh Burke took out two DF-21 ballistic missiles with SM-3s even though It had JAMMED over its symbol. I just scratched it up to being like those occasions when my wife punches me in her sleep.

[Apoloyn]

"I just scratched it up to being like those occasions when my wife punches me in her sleep."
-And that's what I was thinking!

I've tried to find out what, if anything, changes to me or the enemy by going through dozens of trial and error simulations in the Mission Editor and found nothing.

I know IRL, the Israeli's constantly jam the Syrian Air Defence system whenever they fly their jets over Syrian airspace, with the end result being that they have honestly no clue that the IDF even has planes in their territory. So maybe if done properly, it might hide you from their radar...
but I really want a detailed explanation from the developers specifically about what OECM does.

[Dimitris]

Originally posted by Apoloyn:

Hi,
I've got a question:
How specifically does OECM affect the enemy in CMANO?

It reduces the effectiveness of radar.

[Dimitris]

Originally posted by Unreliable_Babysitter:

The reason I started this thread is due to my interest in the 'Black Sea Incident' in which a Russian Su-24 *supposedly* disabled an Arleigh Burke destroyer. Although I'm not going to comment on whether I believe or don't believe on all that as that is a different topic for a different forum, it did get me thinking on just how effective OECM is in CMANO. I'd love to re-enact all sorts of real-life incidents, regardless of just how reliable the information on said incident is.

Yeah I saw Elvis too.

[Dimitris]

Originally posted by Apoloyn:

Yeah I know what your saying. I once blew up a big Russian Missile Cruiser that was Jammed by my EA-6B Prowler, using only 4 missiles on my one aircraft. After doing this again and again, everytime I reloaded the save game, I was like: "Man this seems a bit tooo easy".

....and now you know why the Russians and Chinese are continuously coming up with hardware and tactics dedicated to (trying to) defeat these systems.

[Dimitris]

Originally posted by Unreliable_Babysitter:

Lol I'm completely in the dark about all the jamming stuff. My Arleigh Burke took out two DF-21 ballistic missiles with SM-3s even though It had JAMMED over its symbol. I just scratched it up to being like those occasions when my wife punches me in her sleep.

"Being jammed" does not automatically translate to "stone blind". The geometry has to be right, the power must be sufficient, and sometimes the emitter is just too clever (phased arrays, and particularly AESA, are much more difficult to jam). The SM-3 also uses terminal IIR guidance (with mid-course updates from the SPY-1) so in that case the jamming was pretty much useless.

[Dimitris]

I know IRL, the Israeli's constantly jam the Syrian Air Defence system whenever they fly their jets over Syrian airspace, with the end result being that they have honestly no clue that the IDF even has planes in their territory. So maybe if done properly, it might hide you from their radar...

You're thinking network attack. Another whole ball game altogether.

[Apoloyn]

Hmm.. I was referring to the Elta EL/M-8222 Self Protection Pod, that the F-15I and SU-30MKI uses, is this the same one?