Several issues

[Zafar Yasin]

Dear developers,
I have been playing CMANO recently and really appreciate your effort in developing such a comprehensive military simulator.
I’m currently trying to build a scenario involving the F-35, during which I have probably spotted some flaws in this game which I would like to point out.

1. Speed. F-35s seem to enjoy a military speed of Mach 1.6 without afterburner while still having a combat radius of approx. 1000 nmi. That, I think, contradicts what Lockheed Martin stated. They said that the F-35 has a limited supercruise capability at Mach 1.2 for 150 miles.

2. Radar cross section. Air Force General Mike Hostage said in an interview with Aviationweek in 2014, “it [the F-35] can beat the F-22 in stealth”. But in CMANO, one experiences exactly the opposite: the F-35 has a larger RCS in every direction than the F-22.

3. Agility. The F-35 has only got an agility of 4.5 while it has showed some serious aerial stunts at the Paris Air Show last year. On the contrary, the J-20, which has an agility of 5.5 in this game, has demonstrated basically nothing that can be described as supermaneuverable, yet is still catagorized as a supermaneuverable jet; the F-16, whose maneuverability is deemed inferior to the F-35 by numerous F-16 and F-35 pilots, receives an agility of 4.9, which I think is truly an insult to the F-35. In some earlier databases, the F-35 has an agility of 5, but was later adjusted to 4.5. I’m not sure if this has anything to do with the so-called F-35-lost-to-an-F-16-in-dogfight report which has been debunked by multiple sources. If so, now that the allegations have been refuted, could you please revise its agility?

When I’m trying to add some advanced AEW or OECM platforms to the red Air Force in order to kinda balance the belligerents, I realized that I can’t. The Beriev A-100 was nowhere to be found and the L-175V Khibiny loadout on the Su-34 was also missing. Is it possible to include both of them in a future update?

Best regards.

[Un]

Yeah I actually would like to know where they get the information on the 5th generation aircraft as well.

[76561198153041542]

Hi Zia, thanks for your input :)

1) Combat radius of 1000nm at Mach 1.6? Hmmm Im pretty sure it cannot do that in-game :) Regarding supercruise max speed, do you have more info on the limitations?

2) Okay, but most other sources say the opposite. Can you post more info to help clarify the matter?

3) This one has been a hot topic for some time... do you have any further sources? Links? Etc.

On db additions, yes we'll get to that soon. But we're really busy on a few other fronts atm.

[Zafar Yasin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RagnarWS:

Hi Zia, thanks for your input :)

1) Combat radius of 1000nm at Mach 1.6? Hmmm Im pretty sure it cannot do that in-game :) Regarding supercruise max speed, do you have more info on the limitations?

2) Okay, but most other sources say the opposite. Can you post more info to help clarify the matter?

3) This one has been a hot topic for some time... do you have any further sources? Links? Etc.

On db additions, yes we'll get to that soon. But we're really busy on a few other fronts atm.

Thanks for your reply!

1) Ok, I checked once more and found that I might have misread its range. It should be about 750 nmi range at Mach 1.6, which seems realistic. However, the jet lacks a “Afterburner” throttle preset in game, since it cannot reach Mach 1.6 without the use of afterburner. It can supercruise at Mach 1.2 though. Thus, it would be better if the “Military” throttle was at Mach 1.2 instead of 1.6. Source:

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2012/November%202012/1112fighter.aspx

2) http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/f-35-stealthier-f-22

“The F-35 doesn't have the altitude, doesn't have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”, said Air Force General Mike Hostage. This is probably the only official source regarding its stealth capabilities. I understand that most information about the F-35’s stealth capabilities is classified and the RCS values in game is merely well-informed guesses, but General Hostage’s remark on its RCS really revealed something.

3) I found several links that suggests that the F-35 could be quite maneuverable.

https://theaviationist.com/2016/06/27/f-15e-strike-eagles-unable-to-shoot-down-the-f-35s-in-8-dogfights-during-simulated-deployment/

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/21/unleash-beast-f35-aerial-demo-sends-message-dogfight-doubters.html

https://breakingdefense.com/2017/06/pilots-say-f-35-superior-within-visual-range-dogfight-criticisms-laid-to-rest/

[Zafar Yasin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von =Loch Ness=:

Yeah I actually would like to know where they get the information on the 5th generation aircraft as well.

Mostly though speculations, I guess, since a lot of its information is currently still classified.

[76561198153041542]

Thanks :)

1) I've updated the engines and the F-35 can now supercruise at Mach 1.2 and go to Mach 1.6 on AB.

2) Hmmm does this include the offensive ECM capabilities of the F-35 (which the F-22 lacks), of just the airframe stealth. Hmmm I'm really not sure here... In the database, the F-35 is classed as "2nd Gen medium shaping" while the F-22 is "2nd Gen heavy shaping". Hmmm and hmmm...

3) I have restored the 5.0 agility of the F-35.

Sounds good?

[76561198153041542]

Hooooooold on one sec...

Did some further reading and the Gen 4.5 setting for the F-35 with software version 3F is correct... the a/c is limited to 7G.

I've updated the db again, so that Block 3I and 4 software allows 9G (Gen 5.0) while 3F is 7G (Gen 4.5).

[Gul Gubbe Med Monokel]

Speaking of #2.
How do you see and compare the RCS values of units ?

I tried to find those numbers in DB sometime when trying to decide between these exact two units for a stealth mission.

Yes RCS is a function of frequency.
Yes they are classified.
But at maybe the in game values could perhaps be revealed for a certain comparison freq. ?

[Zafar Yasin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RagnarWS:

Hooooooold on one sec...

Did some further reading and the Gen 4.5 setting for the F-35 with software version 3F is correct... the a/c is limited to 7G.

I've updated the db again, so that Block 3I and 4 software allows 9G (Gen 5.0) while 3F is 7G (Gen 4.5).

Thank you developer! Really appreciate your hard work!
Where can I download the updated database? Or is it included in the next update?

[Zafar Yasin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RagnarWS:

Hooooooold on one sec...

Did some further reading and the Gen 4.5 setting for the F-35 with software version 3F is correct... the a/c is limited to 7G.

I've updated the db again, so that Block 3I and 4 software allows 9G (Gen 5.0) while 3F is 7G (Gen 4.5).

Well I think it’s the block 3i software that limits the aircraft to 7g, because the “i” stands for “initial”, whereas the “f” stands for “full”.