We Happy Few

We Happy Few

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Fantoche Jan 18, 2023 @ 4:51am
So... anyone knows what happened to the kids?
Is that explained in a DLC?
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Bleep Jan 18, 2023 @ 5:07am 
it's explained in the notes and lore you pick up. they were sent on a train to germany.
asarokk Jan 18, 2023 @ 7:29am 
All we know is what the habitants of Wellington Wells know; they lost the war so they were in no position to refuse handing over their children to the Germans.

We do not know however if the Germans did the same with the rest of UK. Why they demanded the children is anyone's guess.

Perhaps it wasn't only to hold them hostage until the war was over as the Germans promised as long as Wellington Wells and possible the entire UK (if there even were any other survivors) remained compliment to their demands but also to ensure the UK would be unable to raise another army in the following decades, having already crippled what remained of their army.

The fate of the children however is unknown but we can speculate by examining what Germans did in our own timeline and other countries did with questionable morals.

They may have used the children for hard labor, used in research as guinea pigs or they may have had plans to condition at least some of them into becoming soldiers for their army.

Since the Germans eventually lost the war, but the children were never returned we can only come to the conclusion that the children didn't survive their captivity or they were apprehended by other participants in war who chose not to return them.
Last edited by asarokk; Jan 18, 2023 @ 7:31am
They went to Germany, but after that... nobody knows.

There is one kid, but he's outside Wellington Wells. Since the rest of the country isn't on Joy, they're not sterilised by it, so they presumably have kids at a normal rate. I also think it's only the Wells that was occupied. Because it's an island, and possibly before the bridge was built.

Same thing happened to Jersey and Guernsey, British islands just off the coast of France. They were a bit far away from Britain and a bit too close to Nazi occupied France, to be able to defend, so we sort-of let the Germans have them, for the duration of the war. I think that might be part of the inspiration for the Wells.
Fantoche Jan 18, 2023 @ 3:05pm 
No no I know they were shipped to Germany, I meant after. It also looks like the city is castrated (Is it because of Joy?). Were they killed, assimilated as germans, etc...

Is there more infos in the DLC? I think there's 3 of them
Last edited by Fantoche; Jan 18, 2023 @ 3:06pm
Nah, there's no more concrete info in any of the DLC. But yeah, the joy makes people infertile. It's kinda weird that it seems to be only a temparary condition since Sally had a kid but none of the Downers have children. Maybe she just never took the stuff.
Smoking Flowerpot Jan 19, 2023 @ 3:55am 
"Soviets Take Berlin"
Sometime close to when the children were sent to Germany, the Soviets took over Germany and the rest of Europe, too. Here's a news article in the O'Courant (Aug, 1949) where Byng states that he's in talks with the Soviets to find the children.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2642125206

"Soviets Take Madrid"
And, then in Oct, 1949, another article says that Byng is mad at the Soviets for not returning the children. He sends an outraged letter to them implying that they might be actually keeping the kids to use as a bargaining chip with the Americans.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2642126296

Here's a map showing the dates of the Soviet takeover of Europe. By 1949, everything in Europe was taken over.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2642122154

Does anyone remember the exact date that the children were sent away by train? I'm not sure whether or not the game even mentioned it, but I'm wondering about the timing. Was it just before the Soviet takeover of Germany? At the same time? Just afterwards? I'm wondering which regime had control of Germany at the time that they arrived there.

In Aug 1949, Berlin was reported as taken over AND Byng was trying to find the kids, so they were most likely there at least for a bit before the takeover, but it's not very clear.

Other possibilities: 1. They were killed along with the Germans, being mistaken for German kids. 2. The Soviets knew that Wellington Wells is in bad shape and decided the kids were better off staying away from there. 3. The kids arrived there at, or just after, the same time as the takeover, and Byng's suspicions are right that they're still being held, but this time as a bargaining/extortion chip with the Americans instead of with Britain. 4. No one knows. They became lost when communication ended between the current authorities (either German or Soviet) and whoever was transporting/caretaking the kids.
Smoking Flowerpot Jan 19, 2023 @ 4:16am 
Since Byng is still in charge in the game's current year of 1964, it's left unclear whether or not he now reports to the Soviets as one of their satellite states, or whether Wellington Wells (and the rest of Britain except for Ireland) is still a sovereign nation who are their own leaders again after the temporary takeover by the Germans.

If the Soviets took over the entirety of Europe (except for Switzerland) in just a few years, and totally controlled it (except for Switzerland) by 1949, then would they have just left Britain alone? The US had, and still has, Ireland, showing both on the map in 1949 and also by the US radio that still comes over the phone in the Garden District, and by how differently they're living (they still have kids, they're likely not starving, and are not forced onto the Joy psycho-meds). So, the US on one side, and the Soviets on the other side. That was 15 years before the game's current date.

There's no more Germans in WW, since everyone has a British accent. But, their own soldiers caved during the war and let the Germans take over, even if only briefly, so who ended up getting them out of the country? Maybe the Soviets did come in and take over WW as well, but the people don't really know what's going on. Their news is heavily censored. They all know Byng's name as their general, but it's not like they're being kept well informed about politics otherwise, not local or foreign.

Or, maybe no one's running the place at that point, anymore. A chaotic free-for-all where everything's gone to garbage. Everyone's starving, on drugs that make them dysfunctional, and no one's reproducing so their community and families have no future.

Lots of unknowns to ponder.
Last edited by Smoking Flowerpot; Jan 19, 2023 @ 4:19am
Fantoche Jan 19, 2023 @ 4:43am 
Oh ♥♥♥♥ this is dark
Smoking Flowerpot Jan 19, 2023 @ 4:47am 
That probably means it's time to pop another Joy. :)
Sally either doesn't take Joy, or else her own, blackberry version, doesn't cause infertility. Where that would leave the bobbies I dunno, but who'd marry a copper? I think she mentions that the amount of drugs in her blood are the reason she doesn't just breastfeed Gwen. That's sensible, there's a ton of drugs in real life you shouldn't take while nursing a child.

Perhaps Sally's fertility came as a surprise to her, something she didn't think about, didn't wonder specifically why Joy made you sterile. So she didn't give it any thought while she was with Verloc.

Actually she can't have been taking ordinary Joy while working at the Lab, neither could Verloc, you can't do advanced organic chemistry as an imbecile, the Wellies didn't even think to plant food so they could eat, never mind invent drugs. That's a loophole that only occurred to me now, actually! Although perhaps, say, the General takes less joy than the average Wellie. It's not required to take every hour, but they do because they don't have a reason not to, where the General needs his wits about him, but still some relief from the stress and horror all around him.

Arthur took Joy while still being sharp enough to figure out how to censor newspapers, which requires a certain amount of thinking ahead, above, and around. He has to know what's wrong with an article, what the Wellies might find upsetting, without himself being upset by it, or even thinking too deeply. Kind of a balancing act I suppose. Too much joy and you either lose your job, or else end up demoted to a garden gnome. Too little and THE EYES! THE EYES!
Fantoche Jan 19, 2023 @ 3:45pm 
Is there any piece of ingame lore talking about regretting not having kids, or wondering why they can't get their girl knocked up?
Havearrow Jan 19, 2023 @ 6:59pm 
I think Sally surprise pregnancy was explained in one of her masks.
My take on the state of the rest of the world is that when the Russians went hog wild on invading Europe it pissed of the Yanks to the point that the nukes started flying. Wellington Wells isn't situated near anything important so they didn't get hit. The rest of the world is probably Fallout by the time the game takes place.
Smoking Flowerpot Jan 20, 2023 @ 6:03am 
That would fit in with why the US didn't bother trying to advance any further east after they took over Ireland in 1949. They're still there in 1964.
The "♥♥♥♥♥♥ day" kid at the end lives outside Wellington Wells, on the other side of the bridge. Presumably people don't cross the bridge into the Wells because it at least used to be well defended. Did Arthur kill any soldiers when he caused the earthquake? Regardless people surely know the Wells is full of starving lunatics so stay away anyway.

Anyway... we've seen one kid who looks healthy enough outside the Wells. Presumably he's got family, presumably people still live all over Britain like they always have. There's just no way into or out of Wellington Wells... with a couple of exceptions... so nobody cares to try.

Even if the Soviets invaded, they wouldn't kill the population. Land is only worth anything when there are people on it doing work, producing wealth. Whether they keep that wealth or the Commies take it off them, who knows? Regardless there were surely SOME happy people in the USSR under Stalin. Lots of misery and anxiety what with all the Gulagging, but still ordinary people live ordinary lives, and as Orwell showed with the Proles, they don't care to look at the bigger picture. Just the mundanities of their immediate experience. So, it's possible to be happy under most occupations, sometimes.

Whether it's better than the Wells, who knows? Can't be much worse, at least there's food. Beside that, occupying forces and huge governments eventually disintegrate. People get a little bit loose on the levers of power, and more than that, those in charge slowly realise they don't WANT to oppress people all the time. So they let go gradually too, and eventually, like China, they let the free market in, even if it's just to make money. Then as the Chinese found out, people able to generate money, people earning enough to even form a middle class (!!!) start to care for their own interests much more than the government's, and rebel in increasingly less-small ways.

All occupying governments, and totalitarian governments, fall to bits, because nobody wants one, even those in the government themselves.
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