Act II - Sally and Arthur dialogue changes

[DeadDancers]

Oddly a lot of differences. Why? Is it alluding to them both having different perceptions/memories of what happened (with Arthur's being in more question considering how much Joy he was intermittently taking) or is it just a weird re-write to try and make Sally less cagy and more sympathetic?

It's a bit jarring and a big change. More effort than re-using old dialogue, surely. So why?

[oku]

It's explain as an effect of taking Joy. That's why you see all those notes in people's homes. Everyone forgets how to do simple things as well. Just like us. Compare an event with two or three of your friends and see if the stories aren't a little bit different too.

[Captain Scarlett]

Originally posted by DeadDancers:

Is it alluding to them both having different perceptions/memories of what happened

That's it. Much like in real life when two people talk, they might have a different perception of how the conversation went :)

[DeadDancers]

Originally posted by oku:

It's explain as an effect of taking Joy. That's why you see all those notes in people's homes. Everyone forgets how to do simple things as well. Just like us. Compare an event with two or three of your friends and see if the stories aren't a little bit different too.

Is that canon, or a generally accepted assumption?

I'm not against the notion, particularly for some things like Arthur not 'hearing' Sally's last statement, but... it seems too convenient. And some things... some conversations, were significantly different.

Also. Sally describes them as 'the only two people not on their joy' which calls into question how damaged their memories of the now would really be. Even if we assume Arthur, at least, was on and off it by turns and that therefore Sally would have the clearer 'memory' of the event...

It happens in the garden district, not her flat. But Arthur is wearing his sharp suit, not his tattered one. If her perspective is more reliable, why such a big 'wrongness'? From Arthur's perspective, the letter of transit was left on a dresser for him to pick up, from Sally's she handed it to him.

And we're talking about more than differences in memory here. We're 'living it' with the character. This is their real-time perspective of what is happening. Either at least one of them appears to be hallucinating pretty severely or... it's not the joy.

[Smoking Flowerpot]

It might be a narrative change that got put in at a late stage without being synced properly to the rest of the story. Or maybe the people making/recording the cut-scenes weren't really knowledgeable about the game. Or maybe it was on their to-do list to give Arthur the Garden District playground meeting too, but they didn't get around to it?

[DeadDancers]

Originally posted by Opal Cruder:

It might be a narrative change that got put in at a late stage without being synced properly to the rest of the story. Or maybe the people making/recording the cut-scenes weren't really knowledgeable about the game. Or maybe it was on their to-do list to give Arthur the Garden District playground meeting too, but they didn't get around to it?

Could well be. After running through more of the game and seeing Dr Faraday's house in a completely different district... I think the devs just didn't bother to keep things neat.

Very very odd, considering the quality of all the work that came before - but oh well.

Maybe each Act is a different parallel universe - Doctor F splintered the universe!

[Captain Scarlett]

Originally posted by Opal Cruder:

It might be a narrative change that got put in at a late stage without being synced properly to the rest of the story. Or maybe the people making/recording the cut-scenes weren't really knowledgeable about the game. Or maybe it was on their to-do list to give Arthur the Garden District playground meeting too, but they didn't get around to it?

Oh no, it was very much planned since the beginning.

[Smoking Flowerpot]

Originally posted by DeadDancers:

Could well be. After running through more of the game and seeing Dr Faraday's house in a completely different district... I think the devs just didn't bother to keep things neat.

Very very odd, considering the quality of all the work that came before - but oh well.

Maybe each Act is a different parallel universe - Doctor F splintered the universe!

The things people will do to get out of Wellington Wells! :)

[Smoking Flowerpot]

Originally posted by Captain Scarlett:

Oh no, it was very much planned since the beginning.

As a Joy side effect? Or something yet to be revealed? Either way, I'm having a lot of fun playing this game. :)

[DeadDancers]

Originally posted by Opal Cruder:

Originally posted by Captain Scarlett:

Oh no, it was very much planned since the beginning.

As a Joy side effect? Or something yet to be revealed? Either way, I'm having a lot of fun playing this game. :)

Oh, yeah, ditto by the way. Discrepencies and weird things are what I'll talk about but I also really enjoy the game. I would totally join the Cult of Jack. All of em.

[Zimbabwe Salt Co.]

As the others have said it's the joy affecting their memories and recollection of events.

[DeadDancers]

Originally posted by Zimbabwe Salt Co.:

As the others have said it's the joy affecting their memories and recollection of events.

Nah man. Dr Faraday's house being in the completely wrong district convinced me. 'It's Joy' is an excuse - it's not the reason why. I don't think there is a specific, deliberate reason.

So, I'm headcanon-ing the parallel reality theory.

[Zimbabwe Salt Co.]

Originally posted by DeadDancers:

Nah man. Dr Faraday's house being in the completely wrong district convinced me. 'It's Joy' is an excuse - it's not the reason why. I don't think there is a specific, deliberate reason.

So, I'm headcanon-ing the parallel reality theory.

I didn’t mean for Faraday, more of when Arthur and Sally meet.

[Smoking Flowerpot]

Originally posted by DeadDancers:

Oh, yeah, ditto by the way. Discrepencies and weird things are what I'll talk about but I also really enjoy the game. I would totally join the Cult of Jack. All of em.

I have 2 more Uncle Jack shows to collect, and then I'm going to sit down and watch all of them in a row in the theater collectables section of the game. I know I've missed parts of some of them even though I watched enough for them to count as collected. They crack me up, and he's very charismatic. I'll put on the fan club hat too. I don't want to hate Ollie though. :D