Am I paranoid or are people actually cheating and if so how?

[Malcolm]

Been playing this game for a few months now and I keep seeing my opponents doing things that looks like cheating to me even though we are on a VAC secure server. This makes me things I am mistaken but I keep seeing it and I can't replicate them myself.

Examples.

1. I run round with the magnum or whatever it is and headshot everyone. 1 shot they die. Then I get to this guy who is impossible to kill and no matter how many shots he kills me first. OK maybe I missed but there is always some-one who is much harder than the rest to dead and their score is like 400+ or something.

2. Another time I fire 3 rockets at the guy and he kills me with an arrow. Then he claims I can't aim but even if the rocket hits next to him, which it must've done, 2 shots should finish him. Later he is crouched down talking to me because I called him on it. I snuck up and right-click/double barrel shotgun him in the back of the head, point blank. Still alive but pushed forward. Shot again and again. 3x double shotgun and then he finally dies! 1 usually does it! Then he dissapears when I mention it. Caught him out?

3. Another impossible to kill guy kills me. I get the message "Your killer yadda yadaa has -145 left" How can someone have health that is minus? That must be a cheat surely!

4. I see this last one all the time. People spawn with rocket launchers or the crossbow. At first I thought they must spawn on top of a discarded one but no, I checked, they spawn and they either are holding it or they switch to it. I know for a fact that if you die you drop those weapons and when your respawn you have the gravity gun, pistol, machine gun, 2 grenades and either the crowbar or that shock stick. You have to go and pick those weapons up so how come they already have them in their possession?

Are these cheats and if so why is it not detected by the VAC? Or is there some other explanation.

I noticed once when I said they were cheating and told them I knew their Steam ID the game suddenly got easier.

I have been playing online for a decade and a have and seen it all. When I suspected cheating in the past I was always proved right.

[[B.n.B] Steve]

This post will end up deleted as they dont like admitting to this but the quick and easy answer is yes there are cheats, Vac does not always catch them. It is generally up to admins on servers to deal with them and ban them.

Players using cheats are the lowest of the low and the people that code them and sell them are a few steps even lower than that.

[76561198041347291]

You likely played on Saigns server, which has bots that spawn with crossbow and RPG.

[gtamike_TSGK]

Probably pro players who like having 200 suit armour and keep colecting more when they get hit.

[Malcolm]

That doesn't explain spawning with rocket launchers. I can tell they are not bots anyway. There are some good players who keep full 200 suit armour but that doesn't explain it all. Even full armour and health 2 rocket blasts should finish you, to survive 3. Also how do they collect all that so soon after spawning? Also doesn't explain the -145.

[gtamike_TSGK]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malcolm:

That doesn't explain spawning with rocket launchers. I can tell they are not bots anyway. There are some good players who keep full 200 suit armour but that doesn't explain it all. Even full armour and health 2 rocket blasts should finish you, to survive 3. Also how do they collect all that so soon after spawning? Also doesn't explain the -145.

It is possible to pick up more suit and health after an rpg hit fast. Depends where the rpg explode's near the player (damage not always the same) and if the player jumps just before the explosion and lands in more health plus suit batteries.

I think it will be much easier for you to post a video.

As for players spawning with the rpg that can be done for custom maps. Or it might be the case of the map player spawn is on top of a rpg spawn :p

[[B.n.B] Steve]

Having banned a ♥♥♥♥-load of NC cheats from my servers in the past few months YES there are cheats out there and yes you have to watch what servers you play on.

[Malcolm]

Easier to post a video than make one in the first place.

Spawning on top of a weapon spawn or a discarded weapon is something I considered, like I mentioned in my original post, and I actively looked out for it but again and again I seen people spawn with them when there is no possible way in which they could have got them.

The bit with the rocket and the 3 hits was on the Runoff map on the ledge that takes you between bases. The only thing to pick up there is a grenade for the secondary fire of the machine gun. Pretty hard to survive a hit there because of the wall right beside you. Doesn't explain the 3 double shotgun blasts to the back of the head to the same player just after I respawned and he was camping in my base.

As for custom maps how then can I not do the same things these players do and how come there is only ever a couple of them that can do this?

Please remember that I have been playing online since 1999, I am hardly a NOOB. While there are definetly better players out there that have been playing more intensely over the years than I, and have better hardware, I am pretty sure the things you are suggested, and I have considered are things I should be able to pull off too. They seem to have this unfair edge which suggests cheating.

There was another thing I noticed but I have forgotten what it was.

[<(CKS)>SPEEDRACERX]

Yes people have cheats and they eventually get caught...As for weapons they can be changed instead of a orb you can spawn a rpg... It's called stripper source...This game has good /skilled players...The players that can't play it well start with the name calling.. If you think because you have played this game since it came out you should be a pro you are wrong... Anyways its lil bit of what I think.. I am a server owner and I hate player who cheat I dont allowed VAC players on my servers.. I try to protect it as much as I can...

[Malcolm]

I didn't say I was a pro at this game but I think I am a good enough player that I can spot cheats. I am, though, pretty good at this game but I see lots of players who are way, way better at it than I am and funnily enough I don't see them cheat to do so.

I am slow to calling people names like cheater, like I said I confirmed it again and again before posting on here, but I have played online for so long I know when someone is cheating. I was just asking about this particular game because there might be lots of non-cheating techniques I don't know about yet.

Back in the day when I used to play NOLF I used to see some crazy things and I suspected cheating but they, like you, denied it and called me a NOOB. It turned out 5 years later I discovered all the mods and cheats they were using and I thought, "Damn. I knew it!"

History repeats itself.

Someone being better than me doesn't make them a cheat. Seeing them cheat makes them a cheat.

When I am up against really good players it is a really good game with a lot of intense fighting and I don't want to stop. I also give them compliments, like nice shot man and so on. Just the kind of player I am.
When they aren't there it is a pushover. I easily take the lead in about 10 minutes of play.
When suspected cheaters are there I lose interest and stop playing soon after.

I admit I haven't played this game online as long as perhaps you have but online FPSs in general, yup decade and a half.

Just out of curiousity how DO you become a pro at this game?

[76561198041347291]

I have been playing the game since 2004 so I know pretty much the game like the back of my hand.

There are a lot of people who call out cheats/scripts on me when I am clean and have always been since 2004. And to prove my point, do you see a VAC ban on my account? Answer: no, because I never cheated in the first place.

I was even being put on YouTube but the majority of the people who watched concluded I was not cheating. Check it out for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D7sq5uf3bU&list=PL8vCRtYdzsJeozfEkKsDGKWz81mtDwgMJ&index=12

Yes, we cannot dispute the fact there are cheaters in the game, mainly the NC one and we strive to keep them out of the game but some people are fairly good at spotting people who are using cheats and those who are legit.

Problem is, if it is not a cheat, it is a script or scripts. Scripts are as annoying as people using cheats (especially the GGUN script). I concluded that using scripts that make you gain an advantage over another one is as low as using cheats anyways.

Many gamers like myself probably came from Quake, which is a fast paced game and HL2DM, while not as fast as Quake, is damn fast paced with its BHOP mechanics.

Old gamers know the game's mechanics better than the new guys, so you can trust me and players who have been playing since the early days of HL2DM.

To answer your concerns, some servers offer plugins that sometimes do not print to the chat properly; it has been the case with me.

Also, you can survive multiple hits of rockets if you are stocked up on armour.

Furthermore, people spawning with weapons like RPG, or an AR2 with orbs by default is either a custom map where you spawn directly on pre-placed weapons, a custom game mode/plugin set on the server or, as said, Stripper:Source, which lets you alter entities before or during map load. Saigns is a good example. By the way, their BOTS seem like real players with their latency, but in actual reality, they are not players, so do not get fooled by it.

I have also been playing online games for a long time, but that does not mean you are going to be good to a game anyway. If you want skill, you will need to dedicate time to the game and learn its strategies and eventually, bugs and glitches that you can exploit (although patched most of the time or server rules prevent you from using them).

If you want to become good at the game, you will need to start by configuring your key bindings to your liking, your mouse sensitivity to your liking, your graphics to your liking and then, and only then, you want to practise your movements first, which you can do on jump maps. There are plenty of jump maps, ranging from beginners to experts. After you begin mastering the movements of the game, you can go ahead and connect to a server where there are players of your level or slightly above and practise until you feel good enough to play with players of the next level. My best advice would be to stick with maps that are not too open first, so stay away from Killbox maps or you will get rekt the second they see you spawn. Start with dm_lockdown, dm_lostarena, dm_lostvillage, dm_biohazard_cal, dm_caverns_r1, etc... One good map to practise your aim against an opponent is aim_arena_reloaded. That map is good for magnum aiming.

[Malcolm]

Thank you for your advice. BOTS are easy to spot because they just run up ladders and shoot at nothing.

I remembered the other cheat I have seen. Indefinite grenade cooking. I can toss and grab a grenade with the gravity gun as well as the next guy but if you cook it too long it blows up in your face. I have seen players hold it in their gravity gun for a very long time before tossing with no ill effects.

How come I cannot survive 3 rocket hits with full health and armour? How then did the same player leave the game straight after I shot him point blank in the back of the head with double barrel shotgun 3 times and I called him on it?

[76561198041347291]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malcolm:

Thank you for your advice. BOTS are easy to spot because they just run up ladders and shoot at nothing.

That confirms you were on Saigns server.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malcolm:

I remembered the other cheat I have seen. Indefinite grenade cooking. I can toss and grab a grenade with the gravity gun as well as the next guy but if you cook it too long it blows up in your face. I have seen players hold it in their gravity gun for a very long time before tossing with no ill effects.

Actually, you can infinite cook your grenade if you want to, it is a simple thing to do. It is called (that is how I call it), fast swapping. It consists of cooking your nade and rapidly switching to another weapon then back to the ggun to grab the nade again (all of that without throwing the nade away). There is another possible way to keep your grenade from exploding and it is called the yo-yo trick. As its name implies, you almost do the same manoeuver but you throw the grenade, rapidly switch just like before, and grab your grenade again. The nade is the hardest one to work with, so if you want to practise the trick, you want to start with an orb, as it is slow and not too hard to catch. Unfortunately, some people use scripts to do that, so it might have been the case when you saw it, but it is possible to do manually.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malcolm:

How come I cannot survive 3 rocket hits with full health and armour? How then did the same player leave the game straight after I shot him point blank in the back of the head with double barrel shotgun 3 times and I called him on it?

That is the unfortunate side effect of trolls who just ruin people's fun. If the guy was russian, then there is no need to discuss about it. Most of them are cheaters anyway.

[Malcolm]

Thanks for the info. That clears up a lot. So scripts are what people are using to cheat. See the tricks with the grenade you speak of, would you see it in action? I mean would you see the other player quickly switching weapons and the grenade beginning to fall and recaught? I ask this because the few times I've seen it it just looks like they are holding the GG and the grenade static for a long time.

I will try the trick.

I don't understand this Stripper:source. It looks to me like a server side mod. How are people giving themselves weapons when they first spawn? I just payed the game there and sure enough someone spawned with a shotun.

The only reason I play Saigns because it is the only one I can find offering team deathmatch and because it is VAC secure, which is why I started this thread because I am sure I still see people cheat.

I am such a reasonably good player I don't need 200 armour to stay alive and can't be bothered collecting it all.

[gtamike_TSGK]

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[76561198041347291]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malcolm:

Thanks for the info. That clears up a lot. So scripts are what people are using to cheat. See the tricks with the grenade you speak of, would you see it in action? I mean would you see the other player quickly switching weapons and the grenade beginning to fall and recaught? I ask this because the few times I've seen it it just looks like they are holding the GG and the grenade static for a long time.

Not all scripts are considered cheats but some people abuse them to some extent. Furthermore, people who use cheats do not necessarily use scripts but third party applications to give themselves an advantage over other players. Sometimes it is blatant, sometimes it is not.