Kate Marsh

[Viggo]

Anyone of you felt really bad for Kate too?

[♥ Shiny McShine ♥🌈🍓]

I felt really bad for her because of the following reasons: Seeing her sitting in her darkened room, her 'dark' drawings on the floor and, as the exact opposite seeing the postcard from her dad ("Katie, you will always be my brightest light against the dark."), her cheerful drawings, her rabbit and reading the quotes in her Bible, made me immediately feel, that she has to be the sweetest and most adorable char in game history.

I really couldn't do anything else but helping her in every way possible. Saved her in the first attempt.

[kodegadulo]

Originally posted by jaytin:

I was thinking the same, that she will maybe just quietly disappear, which would be a shame. Although saying that, I think she is still important to the story, there must be a connection between what happened to Kate and Rachel vanishing surely?

Duh. Didn't you catch that final cut scene of the photo-binders with the girls' names, ending in Rachel ... and then panning to what looks like another being assembled, with pictures of Kate?

Connection? Yeah I'd say so.

In that freak snowfall scene, Nathan seems to be inordinately fascinated with his camera. And his file is the one with the obsessive drawing of "Rachel in the dark room, Rachel in the dark room..." He has a pattern of drugging girls -- Chloe, Kate, maybe Rachel too? That guy's definitely one sick puppy.

[Taiga Aisaka]

Yes, I felt very bad for Kate Marsh. No one deserves to be tormented like that. This idea that, "she was holier than thou" for being very religious, that doesn't hold any weight. Even if Kate was the kind of person that walked around preaching to others (which from what I gather, she wasn't. Kate seems like a very mousy/quiet girl)....she didn't deserve being drugged, and filmed being sexual with others. From what I gather, Nathan raped her as well. Although that last part is an assumption I'm making.

Still, she didn't deserve that. And again, I have a hard time believing Kate was an aggressive religious nut. So that makes this even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Just because she has strong beliefs, and is conservative with how she lives her life, why does that give someone the right to ruin her life. We complain all the time about religious people pushing their beliefs on us. And then you see people turn around and do the same thing (but even worse, since they actually drugged her and forced her to do things against her will). People should have the right to live their life how they see fit, without someone else telling you how to live.

What they did to Kate was disgusting, and evil. I'm an atheist myself, and it made my blood curdle. People can be so cruel and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. And in Kate's perspective, she had an entire family/community that had to see that. I'm female myself, but I could only imagine how horrifying it would be for nude photos/sex tape to leak, and for my entire family to be sent it. Now, Kate was only filmed kissing other girls at a party. But it would still be awful for family/friends to see that.

[♥ Shiny McShine ♥🌈🍓]

Originally posted by Taiga Aisaka:

Yes, I felt very bad for Kate Marsh. No one deserves to be tormented like that. This idea that, "she was holier than thou" for being very religious, that doesn't hold any weight. Even if Kate was the kind of person that walked around preaching to others (which from what I gather, she wasn't. Kate seems like a very mousy/quiet girl)....she didn't deserved being drugged, and filmed being sexual with others. From what I gather, Nathan raped her as well. Although that last part is an assumption I'm making.

Still, she didn't deserve that. And again, I have a hard time believing Kate was an aggressive religious nut. So that makes this even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Just because she has strong beliefs, and is conservative with how she lives her life, why does that give someone the right to ruin her life?

What they did to Kate was disgusting, and evil. I'm an atheist myself, and it made my blood curdle. People can be so cruel and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. And in Kate's perspective, she had an entire family/community that had to see that. I'm female myself, but I could only imagine how horrifying it would be for nude photos/sex tape to leak, and for my entire family to be sent it. Now, Kate was only filmed kissing other girls at a party. But it would still be awful for family/friends to see that.

When you hold up a mirror to your fellow human beings, they sometimes get aggressive, because they see how wrong their behaviour is.
Kate did that and was 'rewarded' with bullying.

[Taiga Aisaka]

Originally posted by Don Johrian:

Originally posted by Taiga Aisaka:

Yes, I felt very bad for Kate Marsh. No one deserves to be tormented like that. This idea that, "she was holier than thou" for being very religious, that doesn't hold any weight. Even if Kate was the kind of person that walked around preaching to others (which from what I gather, she wasn't. Kate seems like a very mousy/quiet girl)....she didn't deserved being drugged, and filmed being sexual with others. From what I gather, Nathan raped her as well. Although that last part is an assumption I'm making.

Still, she didn't deserve that. And again, I have a hard time believing Kate was an aggressive religious nut. So that makes this even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Just because she has strong beliefs, and is conservative with how she lives her life, why does that give someone the right to ruin her life?

What they did to Kate was disgusting, and evil. I'm an atheist myself, and it made my blood curdle. People can be so cruel and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. And in Kate's perspective, she had an entire family/community that had to see that. I'm female myself, but I could only imagine how horrifying it would be for nude photos/sex tape to leak, and for my entire family to be sent it. Now, Kate was only filmed kissing other girls at a party. But it would still be awful for family/friends to see that.

When you hold up a mirror to your fellow human beings, they sometimes get aggressive, because they see how wrong their behaviour is.
Kate did that and was 'rewarded' with bullying.

Great point. I mean I get why they bullied her. I just think it's wrong, and I have empathy for her. Basically, as you put it, everyone else was insecure in their own behaviors, and lashed out at her for not conforming to what they were doing.

Thing is, when you are at the "college" level of education, people should be full grown ass adults at this point. When I was Uni, no one gave a ♥♥♥♥ about cliques, or how people dressed or behaved. Everyone was focused on passing their classes, or partying. Unlike lower education, there was rarely any bullying. People at that point, are just focusing on themselves. I even went to a special "art" Uni at one point (similar to this game), and it was the same thing.

All this said, purely focusing on this game's plot: Kate is a very quiet girl. So I think it's really wrong that these people jumped on her for not living her life like they do. I don't see how anyone couldn't feel bad for Kate Marsh? I'm an atheist myself, and I could care less if Kate was crazy religious. That kind of bullying/torment is awful. Only way I could see someone not liking Kate, or not feeling bad for her, is if she was a crazy religious nut job that went around protesting things, and aggressively harassing others for not following her beliefs.

Even in that case, I don't think the bullying is warranted. But at least then, I could get why some might not care or have empathy for Kate. But with the plot/character we are given, I just feel like everyone should have felt bad. :(

[♥ Shiny McShine ♥🌈🍓]

Originally posted by Taiga Aisaka:

Originally posted by Don Johrian:

When you hold up a mirror to your fellow human beings, they sometimes get aggressive, because they see how wrong their behaviour is.
Kate did that and was 'rewarded' with bullying.

I mean I get why they bullied her. I just think it's wrong, and I have empathy for her. Basically, as you put it, everyone else was insecure in their own behaviors, and lashed out at her for not conforming to what they were doing.

Thing is, when you are at the "college" level of education, people should be full grown ass adults at this point. When I was Uni, no one gave a ♥♥♥♥ about cliques, or how people dressed or behaved. Everyone was focused on passing their classes, or partying. Unlike lower education, there was rarely any bullying. People at that point, are just focusing on themselves. I even went to a special "art" Uni at one point (similar to this game), and it was the same thing.

I hear you. But I think there are some kind cliques even in these parts of society you mentioned, though. It's not, as you said, so much about your clothing anymore, but about your political (sometimes religious) views.

[Indiana]

Originally posted by Aurora MoonGazer:

You failed to save her? Tell me, how do people treat max after she failed to save her? Doesn't matter how hard I try to get her killed, Kait always lives in my games. [/quot.............................................
You have to not answer her call, and talk about her mom instead of her dad. It shouldn't be too hard to get her to jump. Not that I did, but she almost jumps even when you try hard to save her.

[Chester]

Reading comments in this thread I wonder how many people play using only one memory slot and don't replay the episodes with different decisions.

[Rinkashi]

I wanted to hug her from the beginning, especially when i saw that she wrote 'so lonely' in her class notes. she looks so sad :(
I know what it is like to feel like you are all alone in the world and no one caring about you, it is hard to get rid of those thoughts. She is still alive in my original game, and i hope we will see more of her, but i think we will. I think she is somehow connected to Nathan and Rachel, and still important for the game.

I killed her in a different game to see what changes, but that almost killed me :(
(killing her is quite easy, just give 2 wrong answers (brothers/mother, wrong bible passage, tell her everyone will forget about that video...)

[Viggo]

Originally posted by Chester:

Reading comments in this thread I wonder how many people play using only one memory slot and don't replay the episodes with different decisions.

I Don't replay episodes, i made my choices and wether i like them afterwards or not, i stand by them and will finish the game completely before replaying it different. Did the same with The Walking Dead season 1 and 2 and The Wolf Among Us

[Separa]

Originally posted by Viggo Stark:

Anyone of you felt really bad for Kate too?

I felt worse for the person who had to clean her up. Poor Samuel; always stuck with the dirty work.

I'm jk; I saved her. =p But yeah; that bullying ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ was out of hand.

[hive-tyrant]

Originally posted by Taiga Aisaka:

Yes, I felt very bad for Kate Marsh. No one deserves to be tormented like that. This idea that, "she was holier than thou" for being very religious, that doesn't hold any weight. Even if Kate was the kind of person that walked around preaching to others (which from what I gather, she wasn't. Kate seems like a very mousy/quiet girl)....she didn't deserve being drugged, and filmed being sexual with others. From what I gather, Nathan raped her as well. Although that last part is an assumption I'm making.

Still, she didn't deserve that. And again, I have a hard time believing Kate was an aggressive religious nut. So that makes this even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Just because she has strong beliefs, and is conservative with how she lives her life, why does that give someone the right to ruin her life. We complain all the time about religious people pushing their beliefs on us. And then you see people turn around and do the same thing (but even worse, since they actually drugged her and forced her to do things against her will). People should have the right to live their life how they see fit, without someone else telling you how to live.

What they did to Kate was disgusting, and evil. I'm an atheist myself, and it made my blood curdle. People can be so cruel and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. And in Kate's perspective, she had an entire family/community that had to see that. I'm female myself, but I could only imagine how horrifying it would be for nude photos/sex tape to leak, and for my entire family to be sent it. Now, Kate was only filmed kissing other girls at a party. But it would still be awful for family/friends to see that.

Even I feel bad for her and consider what they did to her to be horrific. Though I also cannot shake the fact that if she was not so mistreated that I would not like her at all. But we all know Nathan can do some messed up things.

I can understand why people with a more sexual lifestyle would be offended by Kates abstinince campaign though. Primarily because we know very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ well that if christians got their way they would be forcing their views on us, in that way it is less about campaigning about waiting until marriage should be an okay thing to do if you want to and more about active judgement of how people live in the view of many people. This is because christianity is still so poweful that we actively fear that they might be able to push their views on us. Yet I would not have taken this approach in this situation, rather I would have tried talking to Kate who is probably completely unaware of how her campaign might be perceived.

That being said, it does not excuse any of what was done to her. Though the worst part of it for me is how her family responded to that video and it is because how they drive girls to that point that is the reason I hate religiously motivated slut shaming with such a passion.

[Khandov Arbalest]

Did I felt bad?

One moment, I almost thought I had her. Then she pulls off boomerang out of her bum and back to square one. Christ, if I gave myself more time to remember that her mom is not the good answer! My jaw was dropped full when she just turned on me and...

Seeing it before twice, then rewinding was already mind blowing. With just a bit more anime behind me, I might actually imagine her shooting out flaming wings and setting all the filth responsible afire. Though stopping time and warping to her is cool too.

But, life's no anime. It is strange without being it all the same. Life's a ♥♥♥♥♥ and then she dies, leaving me shattered like I just saw Grave of the Fireflies. That is what can happen when you play "the right" way. No guides, just gushing all of myself into the story. And dealing with all I mess up. And it works perfectly.

The lack of expansion on her character and her inaccesibility did not disrupted me at all; it was just another warning sign for me to care about her. I was shown enough to be wanting to just hug her and let blood of whoever would see her harmed. Blood of Nathan and friends is the only thing that can satisfy me after that. Not nessesarily death. But they must feel resonance of what she's been through.

Her mom is not much better. Yeah, saving from hell is a good cause, but hell is paved with good causes. Lenin, anyone? Anyway, she shows complete lack of empathy and that she knows her daughter as much as I know Traditional Chinese. Now it is her soul that needs praying out away from hell.

Kate is easily my favorite character. There is no resisting the need to comfort her the moment you see her tears and try help her out, if you just have a bit of humanity. Try, then again. Else I would have saved her :(

What I do not empathise with, is her abstinence campaign. She does not seem to be the kind of girl that would proclaim it far and wide like it was from other planet. Though I am religious myself, I would just concider it nothing exceptional, but simply the right thing to do, even if somewhat rare one. Maybe it goes down to American mindset on religion-related stuff.

Yes, I felt bad.

[Rinkashi]

Originally posted by Khandov Arbalest:

Kate is easily my favorite character. There is no resisting the need to comfort her the moment you see her tears and try help her out, if you just have a bit of humanity. Try, then again. Else I would have saved her :(

What I do not empathise with, is her abstinence campaign. She does not seem to be the kind of girl that would proclaim it far and wide like it was from other planet.

I agree, She is my favorite character too and I hope to see her again (I was able to keep her from jumping, but now that she is in the hospital we might still not see her again).

About that campaign, I think that was her desperate attempt to connect to other people. Max wrote in her journal that Kate was religious, but that she didn't preech to her so she was ok with it. To me this means that although she is religious she does not want to "bother" other people with it, also meaning that the campaign is not really her thing unless she really sees no other option of reaching out to people. (which also lead to more negative attention.)
We know that she is/was "friends" with Stella and Alyssa, but they were not there for her when she needed them so I wonder if they were ever close.

[Sgartex]

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