[spoilers from ep 3] Side with David or Chloe

[SomeOven]

Title says it all. Who did you side with?

[LUIGI MALATESTA]

I sidesd with chloe. I dont care about veterans, i wouldnt disrespect a traumatized person but he they are bad ppl before traumatized ppl to me and hes just that. If anything the "woman power" doesnt convince me. And all of that is about what i want, not what the game wants me to do.

[kangirigungi]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

He cared for Joyce and, through that, for her daughter, but never for Chloe. He never respected her as a person.

I tend to disagree here. Yes, David was a jerk for putting up all those cameras, and he has no social skills, but he does care for Chloe, who is also being unfair with him. Just play Before the Storm to get what I'm saying.

Originally posted by guillepankeke:

I sidesd with chloe. I dont care about veterans, i wouldnt disrespect a traumatized person but he they are bad ppl before traumatized ppl to me and hes just that. If anything the "woman power" doesnt convince me. And all of that is about what i want, not what the game wants me to do.

On my first playthrough, I sided with Chloe. On my second one, I sided with David, just to see what happens. In the end, I think that the second decision was the better one, but that was not obvious when I had to make my decision, not even after that within rewind time.

[Dethlane]

Originally posted by kangirigungi:

Originally posted by Dethlane:

He cared for Joyce and, through that, for her daughter, but never for Chloe. He never respected her as a person.

I tend to disagree here. Yes, David was a jerk for putting up all those cameras, and he has no social skills, but he does care for Chloe, who is also being unfair with him. Just play Before the Storm to get what I'm saying.

Ah right, BtS. Let's see... Price frontyard. If Chloe has a blackeye, David chastises her. If you give him a socket wrench that's sitting nearby, he asks if Chloe is deaf or dumb (or smth like that). After repair is done, he forces her to fistbump, giving the lamest line ever, "how you do smth is how you do everything" or whatever. Then he laughs at the toolbox which belongs to Chloe's dead father. Yep, totally respectful and caring behaviour. Oh, and my favourite, "We don't have to like each other, but you will respect me! You've enjoyed enough of a vacation from having a father figure!". Dunno about you, but in my books smth like that said to a good girl (and Chloe is hella good) calls for a beatdown. And the list goes on with next appearances of sgt. a$$hat

[kangirigungi]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

Originally posted by kangirigungi:

I tend to disagree here. Yes, David was a jerk for putting up all those cameras, and he has no social skills, but he does care for Chloe, who is also being unfair with him. Just play Before the Storm to get what I'm saying.

Ah right, BtS. Let's see... Price frontyard. If Chloe has a blackeye, David chastises her. If you give him a socket wrench that's sitting nearby, he asks if Chloe is deaf or dumb (or smth like that). After repair is done, he forces her to fistbump, giving the lamest line ever, "how you do smth is how you do everything" or whatever. Then he laughs at the toolbox which belongs to Chloe's dead father. Yep, totally respectful and caring behaviour. Oh, and my favourite, "We don't have to like each other, but you will respect me! You've enjoyed enough of a vacation from having a father figure!". Dunno about you, but in my books smth like that said to a good girl (and Chloe is hella good) calls for a beatdown. And the list goes on with next appearances of sgt. a$$hat

Yes, he is a jerk. Yes, he has no social skills. But don't mix not caring with not knowing how to show it. And to be fair, in BtS Chloe is being jerk with David too. And not just because David is jerk, but because she thinks that he wants to take her beloved father's role in the family. This is not completely unjustified, but ultimately unfair towards him. The problem with David is that he doesn't know how to handle the situation and as a result becomes rude to her. But you can also see instances when he tries to bond with her, and you usually get the choice whether Chloe cooperates or not. At his fist scene, this backfires horribly because David is so bad at it. At the end, however, Chloe gets a chance to sympathize with David, at least temporarily. I had two playthroughs with that game too, once trying to make amends with David when he offered the chance, and once trying to be as rude to him as possible. (Ultimately, there wasn't much difference, prior dialogues didn't affect the later ones, because BtS's choice system is just not as good as in the first LiS.) When I refused him at the end, I really felt bad about it.

Back to LiS, the scene near the end in the Dark Room shows that he actually loves Chloe. Don't mistake me, I don't want to defend him more than it is due, but I want to be fair all things considered. And ultimately, he doesn't hate Chloe, he just doesn't know how to handle difficult teenagers (or teenagers in general, or pretty much any other people who are not in the army).

OK, now I replayed that scene where you have to side with Chloe or David. Both of them are being jerks there. In that situation, given what Max just found out, it's perfectly reasonable for her to side with Chloe instead of David. I think that scene is meant to played like this: side with Chloe, then see how you just ruined Joyce's marriage, and potentially rewind and change your mind. That would be so much in-character for Max, as well as just siding with Chloe and be done with it, but not siding with David at first. When you side with David, Max even says that she does it for Joyce's sake.

[Wut]

David, as seen in EP5 he is a good man and he cares about his family. Chloe was a ♥♥♥♥♥ in that scene. She was a ♥♥♥♥♥ too in the Kate phone call choice.

[drainer808]

i chose chloe and i felt too bad for david :c

[sdevitt526]

for me ,Chloe.

[Lou Savage]

Originally posted by SomeOven:

Title says it all. Who did you side with?

I sided with David if I'm honest. In all actuality siding with David keeps him from being kicked out of the house and Max's relationship with Joyce is strengthened as well as your relationship with David. It also has little impact on how Chloe feels towards max overall considering how difficult it is to actually maker Chloe hate her. Otherwise David gets kicked out and you can read a letter be leaves explaining how much he really cared and how he was incapable of showing it in a way that was acceptable to them and other things about how you ruined his family. Doesn't say that directly AFAIK but it definitely makes you feel that way. But either way I chose to side with David because Chloe's a manipulative ♥♥♥♥♥ and yells at you that you're letting her down again to try and make you feel bad, so ♥♥♥♥ her lol

[Dethlane]

Originally posted by LG Trackphone Charger:

Otherwise David gets kicked out and you can read a letter be leaves explaining how much he really cared and how he was incapable of showing it in a way that was acceptable to them and other things about how you ruined his family. Doesn't say that directly AFAIK but it definitely makes you feel that way. But either way I chose to side with David because Chloe's a manipulative ♥♥♥♥♥ and yells at you that you're letting her down again to try and make you feel bad, so ♥♥♥♥ her lol

Funny how you say that it's alright for David to try and make you feel bad through his letter and sob story, but when Chloe simply expresses her disappointment at you for siding with jerk who treats her hella bad, suddenly she's manipulative etc etc. Au contraire, David is manipulative arsehole and Chloe is hella awesome for not putting up with his (or anyone's) ♥♥♥♥. Even just counting this situation, he is the one who makes conversation hostile out of blue, because he thinks Chloe and Max to be beneath him. And when Max calls him out, all he has to do is come clean and calmly discuss situation with them. Does he do that? Nope, he tells them (Chloe, Max and Joyce) to go eff themselves. Joyce kicking him out after that was more than deserved. And even then he could always apologize to them and make peace. But no, his pride is more important to him, so he makes a pathetic attempt of making us feel bad about him through his letter (which shows that he isn't man enough to talk this through face-to-face at least with Joyce) and goes out to cry on a hotel's pillow.

[Qiana]

With whom one should side and why, was kinda answered here:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/554620/discussions/0/4763089742388922967/

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by LG Trackphone Charger:

Originally posted by SomeOven:

Title says it all. Who did you side with?

I sided with David if I'm honest. In all actuality siding with David keeps him from being kicked out of the house and Max's relationship with Joyce is strengthened as well as your relationship with David. It also has little impact on how Chloe feels towards max overall considering how difficult it is to actually maker Chloe hate her. Otherwise David gets kicked out and you can read a letter be leaves explaining how much he really cared and how he was incapable of showing it in a way that was acceptable to them and other things about how you ruined his family. Doesn't say that directly AFAIK but it definitely makes you feel that way. But either way I chose to side with David because Chloe's a manipulative ♥♥♥♥♥ and yells at you that you're letting her down again to try and make you feel bad, so ♥♥♥♥ her lol

Chloe is not a manipulative person! She loved and cared about Max.

[Lilothestitch16]

I sided with Chloe because David is a manipulative monster and he doesn't care about anyone but himself. He never loved Chloe or cared about her.

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by Lights For Days:

David, as seen in EP5 he is a good man and he cares about his family. Chloe was a ♥♥♥♥♥ in that scene. She was a ♥♥♥♥♥ too in the Kate phone call choice.

No he didn't. He was a manipulative ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and he didn't care about anyone but himself. Chloe loved and cared about Max.

[MorningLightMountain]

Originally posted by Lilothestitch:

Originally posted by Lights For Days:

David, as seen in EP5 he is a good man and he cares about his family. Chloe was a ♥♥♥♥♥ in that scene. She was a ♥♥♥♥♥ too in the Kate phone call choice.

No he didn't. He was a manipulative ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and he didn't care about anyone but himself. Chloe loved and cared about Max.

This is not even remotely supported by the game's narrative, which ultimately shows that David does indeed care about Chloe, Joyce etc considering he's the one who rescues Max from the bunker.

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

Originally posted by Lilothestitch:

No he didn't. He was a manipulative ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and he didn't care about anyone but himself. Chloe loved and cared about Max.

This is not even remotely supported by the game's narrative, which ultimately shows that David does indeed care about Chloe, Joyce etc considering he's the one who rescues Max from the bunker.

No he didn't care about her. He manipulated and abused her.