Proofs that Mr. Jefferson is the bad guy

[SomeOven]

Today, after playing Ep. 1, 2 and 3 A LOT, I have a lot of proofs that Jefferson is behind Rachel's disappearence, Kate's video and etc. Warning, this discussion contains spoilers from Ep. 1, 2 and 3.

1. EVERY drama (or every single story) has a plot-twist on it. In Life Is Strange, we didn't saw any plot-twist until now. The "Rachel and Frank" story is not even a good plot-twist, a lot of people figured it out even before the release of Ep. 3. And sometimes, the plot-twist of the story is "The good guy is the bad guy". Jefferson seems to look like a good and nice guy, and for now, Max doesn't think that he is the bad guy of the entire story. She always says that Nathan, Victoria, Frank or David are behind Rachel's disappearence or Kate's video. If it was Jefferson, she would be surprised like every player would be.

2. In Ep. 2, Jefferson goes to class and starts to say some things about black & white photography and black & white art. In the ending of the same episode, we see the book with Rachel's name and a BLACK & WHITE book with Kate's photo in it. Coincidence? Or not?

3. I don't remember where I saw it, but someone was walking around Blackwell and they found a map of Blackwell academy. It had every single location: Principal's office, Girls' bathroom, Boys' bathroom, Art class, etc. However, there was one location we didn't found yet: Jefferson's room or something like that. And at the end of Ep. 2, like I said there is a book with Rachel's name and a book with Kate's photo, but we don't know where those things are. It could be possible that they are located at Jefferson's room, and maybe his room is the Dark Room that Nathan keeps saying.

4. I don't remember who said this and were, but in Ep. 1, someone says that there are rumors that Jefferson and Rachel had sex before her disappearence (probably it was Victoria or one of her "faithful minions"). What if Jefferson kidnapped her?

5. This is the ultimate proof that Jefferson is the bad guy. After you stop talking with Jefferson before going to class, someone calls him on the phone and he tells Max to go to the class. However, if you keep listening to his conversation, he says things like "I have to go now" "Listen, I need to go to class" "We can't talk right now" and etc. But there's one particular thing that got my ENTIRE attention: If you keep listening to him, he will start to talk like he is whispering. And then, he will say really fast and almost whispering: "Because I can't have this conversation with you right now and could you please just hang out the phone?". Who was Jefferson talking with? Why he couldn't have this conversation with this mysterious guy or woman at the school? Why was he talking like he wanted nobody to listen to him?

If you have more proofs, write a comment.

[SomeOven]

Originally posted by Ville I Valste:

#5 He was talking with Victoria.

He wasn't. If he was, Victoria would be talking in the phone at the class. Instead, she was talking with Nathan.

[MADG]

If that's their surprise plot twist is that, then they failed miserably because most people believe Jefferson is the "villain".

Would be a plot twist if it turns out that Chloe murdered Rachel, and after that, went into a trauma state where she denies to herself that she did it and acts like she is hellbent to "find" Rachel, as a way to cope with her own regret and denial.

It would be surprising if it turns out Joyce killed William and faked a car accident and is manipulating David into doing terrible things at the Blackwell academy and David is using Nathan for help with that.

Now, Jefferson, Warren, Samuel as the "surprise" villains? Get out of here.

[SomeOven]

Originally posted by Michael Costa Giroux:

If that's their surprise plot twist is that, then they failed miserably because most people believe Jefferson is the "villain".

Would be a plot twist if it turns out that Chloe murdered Rachel, and after that, went into a trauma state where she denies to herself that she did it and acts like she is hellbent to "find" Rachel, as a way to cope with her own regret and denial.

It would be surprising if it turns out Joyce killed William and faked a car accident and is manipulating David into doing terrible things at the Blackwell academy and David is using Nathan for help with that.

Now, Jefferson, Warren, Samuel as the "surprise" villains? Get out of here.

samuel as a villain?he didnt even appeared properly in the story lol

[MADG]

Exactly. And that's why I guess it won't be Mark Jefferson.
Because we BARELY interact with him.

A great surprise and plot twist would be a character that you believe you know very well, then it turns out you don't know ♥♥♥♥.

[Ender Wiggin]

Joyce is the villain. She killed Rachel because she was a bad influence on Chloe.

[Alyx]

Geek Remix, who I just totally adore, I think nailed it for the full 100%; but she's smart enough not to call it proof. XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdCHNwtK5Q

[Jeckenn]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

Both Jefferson and Samuel are far to obvious to be the bad guys, so they won't be because Dontnod has proven that they always surprise with their plots.

Also, no plot twists? So OP are you saying you were expecting Chloe to be a quadrapilegic at the end of episode 3? I have no idea how anyone could have seen that coming unless they were told about it, watched a video, read a post, etc.

There is nothing that would make them obvious bad guys.

Samuel is the cliche bad guy that seems mild mannered but has that terrible evil streak, did you ask him why he had pictures of Rachel? He lets a little bit of his "bad" side show when you ask him about the pics.

Jefferson is the self centered famous dude who thinks no one can touch him because he is famous and fabulous, "I know you love me but if you are not in this class then beat it!" When Max relates that perhaps Kate and Rachel's fates are intertwined he says, "Rachel was nothing like Kate", as in he knows Rachel is dead other wise he would not say "was". Also he basically admits right there that he had a relationship with Rachel by saying he knows she was nothing like Kate, how does he know unless he really does know her intimately?

So yeah I stand my saying they are obvious bad guys in the story..too obvious for Dontnod to use them, but I could be wrong of course.

[MADG]

I watched that video before, I think it was you who posted it here before as well. My guess is that these evidences are a smokescreen.
If it turns out that Jefferson is really the man, he's also not exactly a genius. Even someone who isn't very smart feels uncomfortable hinting at something that he is trying to hide. But not Jefferson, he apparently displays hints about what he does to girls around campus and in basically every single one of his works.
Then it turns out he abused a girl on stupor and it's one of his OWN students, not some random woman on the street, but a girl who attends his class and he used the help of another one of his students, who also attends his classes.

Damn. If that's all true, then at least we can say that he's got some balls.

The game tries to suggest him as one of the culprits all the time. I sincerely don't understand why people seem to think they are smart for figuring this out...

They placed him, Nathan and David in the Principal's office as options for Max to point her fingers at, so that in the player's head, the options will narrow down to these three men.

There isn't a better reason for Jefferson to even be in the principal's room and be an option for Max to blame. He is ONE of Kate's teachers, she has other classes with other teachers. But it's Jefferson who has to be there and even if he is because Kate was his helper, why can you even blame him for Kate's suicide attempt?
David was stalking and taking pictures of her and Nathan was obviously the one who at the very least provided the GHB to dope her, but nope, Max thinks it was Jefferson.

And the girl on that youtube channel, she is smart, she is trying to think like the developers, but she clearly plays favorites and I dunno... Something's up with her, I can't really tell exactly what.

[Alyx]

Originally posted by Michael Costa Giroux:

I watched that video before, I think it was you who posted it here before as well. My guess is that these evidences are a smokescreen.

I take it you meant me by that?

The game tries to suggest him as one of the culprits all the time. I sincerely don't understand why people seem to think they are smart for figuring this out...

I think Geek Remix did a little more than just say 'He dunnit!' Her theory is air-tight, IMHO. But she herself makes every reservation therein, saying it's not based on facts.

David was stalking and taking pictures of her and Nathan was obviously the one who at the very least provided the GHB to dope her, but nope, Max thinks it was Jefferson.

And Max is right. :) David is completely innocent. His thing is drugs, primarily (out of concern for Chloe, really). He suffers from PTSD, and has a pretty linear mind. In his files, with a picture of Kate, we find him say something to the effect of (not verbatim, not in-game right now):

"I questioned Kate about drugs at the party. She got all evasive and nervous. Guilty."

LOL. He has no clue, and isn't 'in' on anything either. The Principle, Wells, probably is (kinda has to be). But from his early convo with David ("Please, leave Ms. Caulfield alone, and kill that alarm, which is your job."), you can clearly tell the two aren't co-conspiring on anything together.

And the girl on that youtube channel, she is smart, she is trying to think like the developers, but she clearly plays favorites and I dunno... Something's up with her, I can't really tell exactly what.

Ah, I really *do* like her a lot. :) So smart!

[MADG]

Are you her?

[R!OT Sm4ker]

Originally posted by otakudbz:

That can't be coincidence, unless the writers are stupid.

It could be coincidence, first of all for plot twists, this photo made you think that he is a bad guy but what if he is not? And second thing, Jefferson was talking about his ability to take photos of people at their darkest moments of life but Kate`s blackn`white photo was so pessimistic, it was just a regular black and white photo. SO I agree with that guy, no proof.

[Alyx]

Originally posted by Michael Costa Giroux:

Are you her?

Hahahaha! No way! :) I try and be a super-sleuth too, LOL, but I didn't even notice Warren was wearing 2 different shirts in that vid. :P I just like her cuz she's such a smart cookie, and comes up with these awesome theories.

[MADG]

Yeah I figure you like her.

I like those girls too. I'm watching their play through of The Last of Us. Never played the game and people say so many great things about it's story that I decided to check it out. And the two girls while playing the game are also very funny. Check their reaction to shooting people in-game with a .12 caliber, it's like they just can't get enough of it.

[Michael]

Originally posted by Michael Costa Giroux:

Yeah I figure you like her.

I like those girls too. I'm watching their play through of The Last of Us. Never played the game and people say so many great things about it's story that I decided to check it out. And the two girls while playing the game are also very funny. Check their reaction to shooting people in-game with a .12 caliber, it's like they just can't get enough of it.

I want to play that game on the PC not console.

[Alyx]

Originally posted by Michael Costa Giroux:

Yeah I figure you like her.

I like those girls too. I'm watching their play through of The Last of Us. Never played the game and people say so many great things about it's story that I decided to check it out. And the two girls while playing the game are also very funny. Check their reaction to shooting people in-game with a .12 caliber, it's like they just can't get enough of it.

Hehe, the duo is often hilarious. :) Like when Max finds that photo in Warren's locker, and says something like: "Looks like he used Mr. Jefferson's lab to develop it. But why?!" And then Geek Remix et. al are like "OH, C'MON, MAX, YOU KNOW WHY!!"