Analyzing Franks customers [episode 4 spoiler alert]

[RaelVT]

I think Franks nick names for customers are actually rather interesting, if anyone can link the full list of names that would be great.

Let's look at Nathans nickname Rott.

Rott is quite obviously short for Rottweiler so I looked it up on Wikipedia (I know it's not the most reliable) I pulled out some things of interest and I am going to speculate on what they mean when applied to Nathan.

Rottweilers are good natured, placid in basic disposition, devoted, obedient, biddable and eager to work. They react to their surroundings with GREAT alertness. Dangerous behaviour usually results from irresponsible ownership, abuse, neglect or lack of socialisation and training.

We can see from various pieces of evidence in the game that Nathan is being mistreated by his father and possibly Mr Jefferson, I would also not be surprised if Nathan has been abused he seems like he doesn't trust anyone (except Victoria) and greets Max with hostility even if you choose not to tell Principle Wells about Nathan and the gun. This could suggest he only knows how to respond with aggression because maybe that is what he has been treated with all his life by his father.



They were used to herd livestock and pull carts laden with meat and other products to market, they are now used commonly as rescue dogs, guide dogs or police dogs.

Butchers do the Butchering the dog only transports, this can be interpreted multiple ways the simplest being that Nathan transports the girls to and from Mr Jefferson. The more complex being that Nathan is their scapegoat and taking the meat into the market is taking the death and drugging of the girls into the public (since the market is a public place). What evidence do we have that could back up the theory of Nathan being a scapegoat? The picture with him and Rachel where it is assumed Rachel is buried would be enough to implicate Nathan and maybe even to blackmail Nathan. My theory is Rachel was not drugged by Nathan, Sean Prescott did say he was going to guide Nathan into the room "step by step" so throwing him into drugging girls straight away wouldn't be a good idea instead they drugged Nathan and I would guess Jefferson drugged Rachel and they photographed Rachel and so they could get Nathan to do as they say in the future they created some blackmail material.

Now lets focus on the rescue, guide and police dog. Very simply maybe Nathan might rescue Max, lets say Kate was his first drugging he would be feeling plenty of guilt by now because if you let certain scenes with Nathan play out until the end you will see he can be remorseful. for the guide maybe this hints that Nathan has actually guided us to the truth, he isn't the true antagonist but by following his trail we have found who is responsible. Police dog suggests it could be possible Nathan might hand himself over along with Mr Jefferson, his father and anyone else involved to prevent anymore druggings and deaths. This may also be some sort of closure for Nathan's paranoia for which he maybe being treated.

Another interesting character on the list is Shiba so I looked up Shiba Inu on Wikipedia and picked out some interesting bits of info.

Shibas tend to exhibit an independent nature and sometimes show dog aggression. This is more prevalent between female Shibas and is influenced by the breed's strong prey drive.

Is our Shiba female? It would be easier for Shiba to drug people if they were female. Strong pray drive, strong killing instinct?

The Shiba Inu is best in a home without other small dogs or young children.

Not very sociable? Aggressive? Possessive? Jealous? Territorial?

The Shiba is a relatively fastidious breed and feels the need to maintain itself in a clean state. They can often be seen licking their paws and legs, much like a cat. They generally go out of their way to keep their coats clean. Because of their fastidious and proud nature.

Presentable? Professional? OCD? Or likes to maintain a good reputation?

A distinguishing characteristic of the breed is the so-called "shiba scream". When sufficiently provoked or unhappy, the dog will produce a loud, high pitched scream. This can occur when attempting to handle the dog in a way that it deems unacceptable.

Thought this was interesting it may or may not be applicable

The Shiba Inu was bred to hunt and flush small game, such as birds and rabbits

People speculate Kate's spirit animal is the Rabbit and the bird could refer to the blue jay which could be either Rachel or Chloe's spirit animal

So what are your thoughts?

[Zinc Zebra]

Originally posted by author:

A distinguishing characteristic of the breed is the so-called "shiba scream". When sufficiently provoked or unhappy, the dog will produce a loud, high pitched scream. This can occur when attempting to handle the dog in a way that it deems unacceptable.

Thought this was interesting it may or may not be applicable

Ha! I would laugh so much if Mr. Jefferson performs a ''shiba scream'' in episode 5. XD

No seriously, interesting thread (I do agree with the rott/Nathan description). By the way, there's also someone on the list named ''Stella'' (the dachshund) and ''Katie'' (I don't remember the specie). Could it be Stella and Kate? Also, it mentions a rich classy girl, it could be Victoria. What do you think? Could they match with the dog species?

[Jeckenn]

Not sure about the OP but I also think Nathan is being manipulated into being that angry person by his own father. His father wants him to run the Prescott empire one day and he wants him to be as devious and as sadistic as Sean Prescott is. So rather then take the advice of Dr Jacoby who told him that what SP was doing was having the opposite effect on Nathan he obviously found a doctor that could be paid to keep Nathan in the the angry moods SP wants him in.

The Prescott agenda is, I think, aimed at attaining the time powers for the Prescott family. Think about it if a criminal mastermind wanted to rule, eventually the entire USA, what could help him do that? Being able to predict the future would be more useful then anything else possibly could be and that is exactly what the girls with the time powers could all do.

Each one of those red binders was an attempt by Sean Prescott to get the time powers. How he gained control of Mark Jefferson I have no idea but I think that will be revealed in episode 5 as well. He needs Jefferson, one of the best and most accomplished photographers in the country, to be able to take a special photograph of the girl at her moment of death. That is why they drug them because with drugs you can basically set a timer on a camera and click a new photo every second or two which should get them the photo they need. The episode is titled "Polarized" and that is because the photo uses some form or cross polarization photography.

Max can time travel through photo's so it is not much of a stretch to say some other type of photo has some other use with the time powers and likely that use is the ability to transfer the time power to a male instead of a female.

I think it has something to do with the Tobanga totem that grants the power to a female student at Blackwell, and SP has figured out that to get those powers for his son Nathan he needs a very special photo taken at the exact moment the girl who has those powers dies.

They were very close with Rachel however she died before they could take the right photograph and the powers were then transferred to Max.

When Kate was brought to the Dark Room it was an attempt by Nathan to please his father as Nathan thought Kate had the time powers. When they determined she did not have the power they decided rather then kill her like they did with all the other girls, they would set into motion events that would cause Kate to kill herself.

Nathan is slowly starting to realize that this is all wrong and that is because of David Madsen.

"David M always talks in my head"

"David M helps me to follow those he follows"

That sounds sinister but instead it is David Madsen telling Nathan not to obey his father and to help him follow the ones behind it all so they can gather the evidence to put an end to all of this.

[Zinc Zebra]

Originally posted by 8thVA ManlyMan:

It actually is Stella that bought the drugs as "Dachshund" and I'm sure "Katie" is Kate. It wouldn't make any sense for the devs to use the same name twice, especially a name like Stella. Kate's drug purchases also make sense for her situation. She bought a drug that causes sleep, because she had trouble sleeping at night, and a drug that causes death, because she's suicidal.

edit: About the Shiba, nice idea and I probably would have never thought about it myself but I really don't see a character named "Nacho" tying anywhere into this. The only characters on the list we actually see in game are
Logan - Labrador
Stella - Dachshund
Nathan - Rottweiler
Kate - Chihuahua
Chloe - Bulldog
And maybe Mr. Jefferson is "Mr. FancyCar"? He does have a pretty fancy car. But he isn't much of a bobtail.

Make sense. For Nacho, I was thinking it could be Daniel? And let's not forget Justin - Beagle!

If Mr. Fancycar is Jefferson, who's Shiba? Warren? Mr. Madsen?

[theP13RC3]

Looking at the list of drugs that everyone bought from Frank, "Nacho" was the only one besides Nathan to buy GHB (the date rape drug). Maybe Jefferson is Nacho? Seeing how he's the only other homicidal person we've seen so far in the game....

[RaelVT]

Originally posted by Zinc Zebra:

Originally posted by 8thVA ManlyMan:

It actually is Stella that bought the drugs as "Dachshund" and I'm sure "Katie" is Kate. It wouldn't make any sense for the devs to use the same name twice, especially a name like Stella. Kate's drug purchases also make sense for her situation. She bought a drug that causes sleep, because she had trouble sleeping at night, and a drug that causes death, because she's suicidal.

edit: About the Shiba, nice idea and I probably would have never thought about it myself but I really don't see a character named "Nacho" tying anywhere into this. The only characters on the list we actually see in game are
Logan - Labrador
Stella - Dachshund
Nathan - Rottweiler
Kate - Chihuahua
Chloe - Bulldog
And maybe Mr. Jefferson is "Mr. FancyCar"? He does have a pretty fancy car. But he isn't much of a bobtail.

Make sense. For Nacho, I was thinking it could be Daniel? And let's not forget Justin - Beagle!

If Mr. Fancycar is Jefferson, who's Shiba? Warren? Mr. Madsen?

Bit of a stab in the dark but could Brooke be Shiba? She has the potential to be a bit of a creeper with the drone maybe the GHB was for Warren if Brooke goes with him to see planet of the apes, and she does get very sour if you go instead of her maybe it's more than just jealousy.

Also I don't know if it was in a deleted scene but she says something about tracking Warren by using the track he was using on Max. Don't take moy word for it but I'm sure I saw that bit of dialog in a youtube video.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by theP13RC3:

Looking at the list of drugs that everyone bought from Frank, "Nacho" was the only one besides Nathan to buy GHB (the date rape drug). Maybe Jefferson is Nacho? Seeing how he's the only other homicidal person we've seen so far in the game....

Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but could Nacho be a character we do not see in the game, and is just a reference AMC's Better Call Saul?

[RaelVT]

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

Originally posted by theP13RC3:

Looking at the list of drugs that everyone bought from Frank, "Nacho" was the only one besides Nathan to buy GHB (the date rape drug). Maybe Jefferson is Nacho? Seeing how he's the only other homicidal person we've seen so far in the game....

Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but could Nacho be a character we do not see in the game, and is just a reference AMC's Better Call Saul?

I haven't seen Better Call Saul so it could be a reference which just sailed straight over my head.

[Zinc Zebra]

Originally posted by sraela:

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but could Nacho be a character we do not see in the game, and is just a reference AMC's Better Call Saul?

I haven't seen Better Call Saul so it could be a reference which just sailed straight over my head.

Tbh, I like both answers. Nacho could be a reference of Better Call Saul (thanks for the info), but I don't think it automatically puts aside that Shiba could be Brooke. The dog's description indeed fits with her.

And you weren't dreaming, Brooke mentions tracking Warren. This is probably a joke, but sheesh, do I find Brooke creepy sometimes. In my game, I convinced Daniel to go to the Vortex Club Party and that night, flirts with Brooke. I was just relieved to see that Brooke stopped to obsess on Warren for a change. No offense Warren/Brooke shippers. :P

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Zinc Zebra:

Originally posted by sraela:

I haven't seen Better Call Saul so it could be a reference which just sailed straight over my head.

Tbh, I like both answers. Nacho could be a reference of Better Call Saul (thanks for the info), but I don't think it automatically puts aside that Shiba could be Brooke. The dog's description indeed fits with her.

And you weren't dreaming, Brooke mentions tracking Warren. This is probably a joke, but sheesh, do I find Brooke creepy sometimes. In my game, I convinced Daniel to go to the Vortex Club Party and that night, flirts with Brooke. I was just relieved to see that Brooke stopped to obsess on Warren for a change. No offense Warren/Brooke shippers. :P

She is just as creepy as Warren. In episode 1 or 2 - cannot remember which, Warren can be seen outside Max's window waiting for her to ask her to go ape with him. I bet he was looking at his window to make sure she was in her room.

[RaelVT]

I looked into Chihuahua since people seem to be wondering if Katie is Kate.

The temperament of its owner can make a difference in the temperament of the pup. Tempered Chihuahuas can be easily provoked to attack, and are therefore generally unsuitable for homes with small children.

Easily provoked? Doesn't sound like the Kate we know.


The breed tends to be fiercely loyal to one particular person and in some cases may become over protective of the person, especially around other people or animals.

Kate is seen with Stella and Alyssa in a photograph in her room this doesn't suggest she clings only to Max.

They do not always get along with other breeds, and tend to have a "clannish" nature, often preferring the companionship of other Chihuahuas or Chihuahua mixes over other dogs.

This is the first thing I think could be attributed to Kate since she is part of religious school groups so it would make sense she would like the company of like minded people.

Chihuahuas love their dens and will often burrow themselves in pillows, clothes hampers, and blankets. They are often found under the covers or at the bottom of the bed, deep in the dark and safety of what they perceive as their den.

This could apply to Kate BUT from what Max says when looking at Items in Kate's room she is normally tidy and has a sunny outlook on life before the video incident.

In my opinion I would say Katie is someone we have not met it the game and not the Kate we know.

[Jeckenn]

I find it hard to believe that Kate Marsh was a customer of Frank's that name must be another Kate.

[Doesnotcompute83]

While I understand that the game h as very deep imagery, I think using wikipedia to uncover the meaning of the dog names might be a bit too deep considering how deep Wikipedia goes into the type of dogs, which might vary from other sites. That said, the dog names were chosen to go with the characters - it as implied in the game. However, I think dontnod was thinking in the mind frame of Frank and going with the dogs on general beliefs of each dog and characters. For instance, Kate is a frail girl who commits suicide after trying to speak up for herself to the point of no one listening. That reminds me of a chihuahua barking at things bigger than him/her

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

I find it hard to believe that Kate Marsh was a customer of Frank's that name must be another Kate.

That is obviously the point when Max sees the list - she makes a comment on how she is surprised that almost everyone is on the list.

[RaelVT]

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

While I understand that the game h as very deep imagery, I think using wikipedia to uncover the meaning of the dog names might be a bit too deep considering how deep Wikipedia goes into the type of dogs, which might vary from other sites. That said, the dog names were chosen to go with the characters - it as implied in the game. However, I think dontnod was thinking in the mind frame of Frank and going with the dogs on general beliefs of each dog and characters. For instance, Kate is a frail girl who commits suicide after trying to speak up for herself to the point of no one listening. That reminds me of a chihuahua barking at things bigger than him/her

I'm only working from the list of names and corresponding dog names posted by another user, my save of lis is on my boyfriends PS4 because I bought it for the both of us, so I don't have a list of the actual drugs purchased handy. I only remembered that Shiba also bought GHB because it stood out when I was playing through that segment. The only reason I continued to look into the dogs is because Nathan's was very accurate from what I have observed of his character and the evidence surrounding him.

[RaelVT]

Originally posted by 8thVA ManlyMan:

On a sidenote about Frank's drugs, it always annoyed me how Stella said "Money is tight" when she spends $800 on drugs a week.

I read or heard that the combination of drugs Stella buys can have a very similar effect to GHB, and it can also increase sex drive. And Stella was placed at the party by Jefferson and she is being paid for being there. I think they tried this cocktail of drugs on Kate but Jefferson saw Kate making out with all the males and that made her less innocent, which isn't what Jefferson wanted so they switch to another drug or back to GHB for Max.