Butterfly [spoilers]

[bryrk]

Okay so I've seen a lot of threads talking about how Max is going to go back to the selfie with Warren at the EOTW party. I don't think this is right. I mean, at the end of Episode 3, everyone thought that she'd go back to the selfie she took with Chloe when she spent the night, but it turned out she used the picture in Chloe's book of the day Chloe's dad died. I think that Max might actually go all the way back to the butterfly picture she took in the first episode in the bathroom. After going back, it could be that Max has to let Chloe die when she was meant to, ie when Nathan shot her. Either that or she could prevent Nathan from killing Chloe in the first place, perhaps even sacrificing herself to save her best friend. I'm probably just exaggerating now but I'm tired =P

[Jiron]

While this is a theory that makes sense, there are one or two issues that I can see coming up with it:

-The butterfly picture is in Chloe's jacket, not with Max
-If she goes back and lets Chloe die, then everything else with the Darkroom still happens (Rachel, Kate, etc.)
-If she then tries to explain this to police or anybody, she's going to have a very hard time explaining this to try and get anybody to believe her and act on it


Those reasons aside, there does seem to be a certain amount of momentum surrounding Chloe and death. For all we know, the freak tornado is part of reality trying to restore the natural order and eliminate the bad changes.

[swaders]

Max had the dream/vision about the tornado before she saved Chloe, so I don't see why saving Chloe can be causing all the weirdness.

Also, it seems like Max can only jump back in time through photos with her in it, so the butterfly photo is probably out. I also feel that jumping back to the start of the game makes all of the players' decisions moot.

[SSSmoking Style]

Originally posted by swaders:

Max had the dream/vision about the tornado before she saved Chloe, so I don't see why saving Chloe can be causing all the weirdness.

Also, it seems like Max can only jump back in time through photos with her in it, so the butterfly photo is probably out. I also feel that jumping back to the start of the game makes all of the players' decisions moot.

I dont think either Max will back to the butterfly photo but she is in the photo, at least a reflection in the cube

[elsie]

What Jiron says makes sense. Max wouldn't travel that far back. Traveling back to the picture she took with Warren before entering the party would be her best bet because then she'll be able to warn Chloe and have a tactical advantage over Jefferson.

[Connor]

my favourite photo would be the selfie with chloe in ep.3 ,but probably the game will let us go back to the class in ep.1 using the first selfie ,one of the photo preview for ep.5 is the photo that max shredded in the bathroom

[PrideTheBest]

I don't think it's going to be the butterfly photo or the episode 3 photo. It's too far back. Each episode takes place each day. Warren's picture makes the most sense. As you can see at the beginning of episode 3, it took place on a Tuesday night but the rest was on Wednesday. So that might seem to happen in episode 5. Reverse back to Thursday night then the entire episode 5 takes place on Friday. My money is on Warren's photo.

[Jiron]

Originally posted by swaders:

Max had the dream/vision about the tornado before she saved Chloe, so I don't see why saving Chloe can be causing all the weirdness.

It could have been a warning of things to come. A precognition that, if things go a certain way, this will be the result. If saving Chloe is causing the weirdness, then it would be the continuing visions that would be the indicator that the current chain of events is leading to the tornado.

Originally posted by PrideSP:

I don't think it's going to be the butterfly photo or the episode 3 photo. It's too far back.

So far, the only use of the Rewind power we've seen has gone back farther than that, so I don't know that it being "too far" works. The other part of that power is that she can't leave the immediate area of the photo itself, so if she rewinds to the butterfly photo (or the Ep. 3 photo, or the selfie photo), she'd have to change whatever she was going to change in, effectively, the space of minutes and then snap back to when she chose to rewind from (in this case Friday). She doesn't directly experience the time between when she makes her Rewind change and her "present" moment. I think it more likely that if she's going to rewind at all that it will be later in the episode.

[disarmonia123]

Maybe the bucklet reflect herself so she can actually use the photo xP
This picture can be useless like this right?

[Jeckenn]

I think the key to picture time travel is it has to be a picture Max is in and she had to be younger then she is currently, she can't be older because so far all time travel has been back not forward. So using the butterfly photo can't work, cause Max is not in it. She could use the photo she tore up in the washroom but she tore that one and discarded it so that might be a problem too.

Of course she did take some other selfies like the one she took in Jefferson's class, and another she took in her room. Plus of course the one she took of her and Chloe in Chloe's room after they broke into Blackwell.

[the smooth operator]

I never thought i'd find myself agreeing with Pride but yeah, I think it's more likely she'll end up using Warren's photo to go back and warn Chloe about it. I mean, what's the point of going further back than she needs to? There isn't anything that huge in the past she needs to change other than saving Chloe from getting capped by Mc'Jay'Jay. It's perfect, because even though she can't leave the photo boundries Chloe is right off to the side while Warren is taking the picture. Had Chloe stormed off in anger in TERMINATE PRESCOTT mode, the picture would be useless. It seems like one of the most logical theories.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Tire Marks:

I never thought i'd find myself agreeing with Pride but yeah, I think it's more likely she'll end up using Warren's photo to go back and warn Chloe about it. I mean, what's the point of going further back than she needs to? There isn't anything that huge in the past she needs to change other than saving Chloe from getting capped by Mc'Jay'Jay. It's perfect, because even though she can't leave the photo boundries Chloe is right off to the side while Warren is taking the picture. Had Chloe stormed off in anger in TERMINATE PRESCOTT mode, the picture would be useless. It seems like one of the most logical theories.

Using the Warren image is the most logical, yet the most predictable. The issue with using the Warren photo is if she has it. I don't recall if Warren kept the photo. Regardless, I am sure Max had all her stuff stripped by Mr. Jefferson.

Since Max has taken a photo of herself in every episode (I do not remember her taking one in episode 2, though I am sure she did), maybe we have a decision of which photo to jump into, with the earliest and the latest selfie being the worst since Chloe started to believe Max's powers during episode 2 and Max and Chloe sort of went bananas and told everyone especially Mr. Jefferson that they were looking for Nathan.

[Haunty]

You can't tell who kept Warren's photo, so who knows.

Another theory that isn't mine: The 2 moons could mean 2 different time lines, when Chloe and Max left for the junkyard the 2nd moon disappeared, which could mean the 2 timelines split at that moment, so maybe Max somehow has to get to that 2nd timeline with the other moon.

My gut feeling is that Max has to go back and somehow submit her photo so she can win the contest.

[the smooth operator]

Originally posted by Haunty:

You can't tell who kept Warren's photo, so who knows.

Another theory that isn't mine: The 2 moons could mean 2 different time lines, when Chloe and Max left for the junkyard the 2nd moon disappeared, which could mean the 2 timelines split at that moment, so maybe Max somehow has to get to that 2nd timeline with the other moon.

My gut feeling is that Max has to go back and somehow submit her photo so she can win the contest.

Yeah she should shoot that Jeffersunuvabitch in the face and take a quick selfie with the body and hand that one in.
that'll do it
that'll do it

[PrideTheBest]

Originally posted by Jiron:

Originally posted by swaders:

Max had the dream/vision about the tornado before she saved Chloe, so I don't see why saving Chloe can be causing all the weirdness.

It could have been a warning of things to come. A precognition that, if things go a certain way, this will be the result. If saving Chloe is causing the weirdness, then it would be the continuing visions that would be the indicator that the current chain of events is leading to the tornado.

Originally posted by PrideSP:

I don't think it's going to be the butterfly photo or the episode 3 photo. It's too far back.

So far, the only use of the Rewind power we've seen has gone back farther than that, so I don't know that it being "too far" works. The other part of that power is that she can't leave the immediate area of the photo itself, so if she rewinds to the butterfly photo (or the Ep. 3 photo, or the selfie photo), she'd have to change whatever she was going to change in, effectively, the space of minutes and then snap back to when she chose to rewind from (in this case Friday). She doesn't directly experience the time between when she makes her Rewind change and her "present" moment. I think it more likely that if she's going to rewind at all that it will be later in the episode.

Well, I explained it other than it's too far back. Read everything. I don't get what you're saying. You're talking about a lot of different things.

[PrideTheBest]

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

I think the key to picture time travel is it has to be a picture Max is in and she had to be younger then she is currently, she can't be older because so far all time travel has been back not forward. So using the butterfly photo can't work, cause Max is not in it. She could use the photo she tore up in the washroom but she tore that one and discarded it so that might be a problem too.

Of course she did take some other selfies like the one she took in Jefferson's class, and another she took in her room. Plus of course the one she took of her and Chloe in Chloe's room after they broke into Blackwell.

Well, she never would have a photo of her older self to begin with...