Max and Victoria!

[ShadowBeak]

Can you imagine these two walking together as good friends?

I imagine it's possible, since Victoria is not really a bad person.

Unfortunately rewind time just undoing our choices especially regarding the new friendships (Vortex Club).

If you sacrifice Chloe, Victoria can be friends of Max or continue hating her, considering that Jefferson was arrested?

The reason for the Victoria hate Max always been because of Jefferson.

[Jeckenn]

The thing about someone like Victoria that prevents her from liking people like Max is that she is afraid of what her "friends" will think. I put friends in quotes because the thing she does not realize is she could have a real and true friend in a person like Max, where as a person like Nathan is never truly going to be her friend, instead he will just use her until she is no longer useful to him.

I think if the timeline where Victoria and Max were in the bunker if they both could have escaped and that timeline continued to be the real timeline, that they would have indeed become very good friends because Victoria would likely learn to stop pushing people away that really do want to be friends with her.

I think the main reason they are not friends is because Victoria is afraid to find out what other people think if she was friends with Max, Jefferson has very little to do with it.

[Jdwarfer]

In the timeline where William is alive, Victoria seems to be a good friend of Max.
In that reality, Max is different. Maybe not so shy and more confident.
It seems that Chloe's condition might be the reason, but how? I didn't get it.

[Kawaccino]

Originally posted by DarkRisado:

If you sacrifice Chloe, Victoria can be friends of Max or continue hating her, considering that Jefferson was arrested?

Mmmh, wasn't Victoria killed by Jefferson?
I only played it once for now and in "my" story Jefferson killed her. He said something about having to get rid of her (not the exact thing, I don't remember it exactly).

Originally posted by DarkRisado:

The reason for the Victoria hate Max always been because of Jefferson.

I think you're wrong on this one. Mr Jefferson has nothing to do with this. It's all because of money and popularity.
Victoria is rich (well, her parents are rich for her) and wears designers clothes and shoes, and have the best cameras money can buy. On the other hand Max is wearing very simple clothes (I don't judge, I'm all jeans-t shirts-sneakers-shoulder bag myself). She has a vintage camera, by choice yes, but she doesn't have any expensive one to do what she can't with the one she owns.
And... ... ... Victoria is popular. Which doesn't mean she has friends, but minions all over her wanting to catch some of her "fame" and wanting to appear more important than they are. These minions watch every move she makes and judge everything she does. On the other hand Max is not popular, she is friendly and easily talk to various people, always ready to help (in resume she is a good person). Victoria can't afford to be seen in Max's company or to be nice to her because what would think her minions? What if they don't "like" her anymore and don't want to be her "friends" anymore? Worse, what if they tell all the campus about her being nice to the local geek and everybody looks at her with less "fear" and "respect"? Oh my gosh, what if other geeks and "lower" people than her start to talk to her?!?
For people like Victoria apparences are more important than true friendship. They would do anything to stay in the illusion of fame and power. They prefer to sacrifice their happiness in favor of a glorious illusion.

[Palatine Katinka]

Originally posted by Jdwarfer:

In the timeline where William is alive, Victoria seems to be a good friend of Max.
In that reality, Max is different. Maybe not so shy and more confident.
It seems that Chloe's condition might be the reason, but how? I didn't get it.

I think William's death took a toll on Max. Since she was so close to Chloe (best friend and both single children so stand-in sister) she probably knew William quite well too especially as he seemed like the kind of guy who was willing to spend quality time with the pair of them. His death as Max's feeling of guilt over leaving (her journal tells us that she does feel bad even if we don't think she should) probably led to her introverted shy state that we know as her 'normal'. The alternate Max who didn't suffer that trauma or carry guilt over leaving a friend in need is more out going. This bit is supposition but Victoria is from Seattle, so it might even be that the new outgoing Max met and befriended her before they came to Blackwell.

If Max is nice to Victoria it is possible for her to reveal a bit about herself. She does actually respect Max because Max doesn't care about people's opinions of her. However, Victoria's family own a gallery and she has been raised to believe that the art world is a cut-throat business in which you can't afford to be 'yourself', you need to maintain the expected appearance to be respected. You need to put down anyone who dares to be different as they are a danger to your own success.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

The thing about someone like Victoria that prevents her from liking people like Max is that she is afraid of what her "friends" will think. I put friends in quotes because the thing she does not realize is she could have a real and true friend in a person like Max, where as a person like Nathan is never truly going to be her friend, instead he will just use her until she is no longer useful to him.

I think if the timeline where Victoria and Max were in the bunker if they both could have escaped and that timeline continued to be the real timeline, that they would have indeed become very good friends because Victoria would likely learn to stop pushing people away that really do want to be friends with her.

Oh, absolutely. Victoria has no idea what she's missing out by spurning Max Caulfield.
Max is a girl who will move heaven and earth, who will defy the laws of man and nature for her friends.

Pricefield Chase FTW.

[Jeckenn]

Originally posted by ShadowDragon8685:

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

The thing about someone like Victoria that prevents her from liking people like Max is that she is afraid of what her "friends" will think. I put friends in quotes because the thing she does not realize is she could have a real and true friend in a person like Max, where as a person like Nathan is never truly going to be her friend, instead he will just use her until she is no longer useful to him.

I think if the timeline where Victoria and Max were in the bunker if they both could have escaped and that timeline continued to be the real timeline, that they would have indeed become very good friends because Victoria would likely learn to stop pushing people away that really do want to be friends with her.

Oh, absolutely. Victoria has no idea what she's missing out by spurning Max Caulfield.
Max is a girl who will move heaven and earth, who will defy the laws of man and nature for her friends.

Pricefield Chase FTW.

Yeah with Max as your bff you get free cash at the ATM's any time you need it! :D

[ShadowDragon8685]

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

Originally posted by ShadowDragon8685:

Oh, absolutely. Victoria has no idea what she's missing out by spurning Max Caulfield.
Max is a girl who will move heaven and earth, who will defy the laws of man and nature for her friends.

Pricefield Chase FTW.

Yeah with Max as your bff you get free cash at the ATM's any time you need it! :D

Yeah, but that's small potatoes.

Vegas, baby!

Or, you know, just play the lottery. Or the stocks...

But yeah, getting to make a free withdraw from the ATM never hurts, either, for those times when you need fast cash right now.


But money is really the least of the things Max will do for her friends - though she did let Chloe nick five grand and trouser it.

Max is a terrifyingly powerful enabler, in that she not only enables, she force-multiplies.

[harley quinn]

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

The thing about someone like Victoria that prevents her from liking people like Max is that she is afraid of what her "friends" will think. I put friends in quotes because the thing she does not realize is she could have a real and true friend in a person like Max, where as a person like Nathan is never truly going to be her friend, instead he will just use her until she is no longer useful to him.

I think if the timeline where Victoria and Max were in the bunker if they both could have escaped and that timeline continued to be the real timeline, that they would have indeed become very good friends because Victoria would likely learn to stop pushing people away that really do want to be friends with her.

I think the main reason they are not friends is because Victoria is afraid to find out what other people think if she was friends with Max, Jefferson has very little to do with it.

and how do you explain why they are bff in the alternate timeline and victoria is so into max? i mean, max is not rich in that timeline neither

[Jeckenn]

Originally posted by harley quinn:

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

The thing about someone like Victoria that prevents her from liking people like Max is that she is afraid of what her "friends" will think. I put friends in quotes because the thing she does not realize is she could have a real and true friend in a person like Max, where as a person like Nathan is never truly going to be her friend, instead he will just use her until she is no longer useful to him.

I think if the timeline where Victoria and Max were in the bunker if they both could have escaped and that timeline continued to be the real timeline, that they would have indeed become very good friends because Victoria would likely learn to stop pushing people away that really do want to be friends with her.

I think the main reason they are not friends is because Victoria is afraid to find out what other people think if she was friends with Max, Jefferson has very little to do with it.

and how do you explain why they are bff in the alternate timeline and victoria is so into max? i mean, max is not rich in that timeline neither

It is a completely different timeline, different things made them come together as friends, things that did not happen in the real timeline. We are not shown what those things are and it could very well have been Max that changed enough to be Victoria's bff and then become the "it girl" of the Vortex club, we don't know because they did not show us.

All we saw was that they were friends and as soon as Max arrived there from the real timeline she knew instantly that she was not in the right place, the other Max however obviously felt perfectly fine being who she was there.

Also you don't need to be rich to be Victoria's friend because Taylor's family is not rich and she was her friend in both timelines.