Chaos theory and saving Chloe from death - [SPOILER]

[ShadowBeak]

A lot of people probably think that ending is bad, but they're wrong. That ending makes sense to the game. The developers were smart to deploy it. It may seem cliché to some people, but it's the only way to fix the damage from chaos theory.
At the time that Max used his powers to resurrect the Chloe, she activated the chaos theory. The whole universe around it has changed, what brought that terrible storm into the city. The only way to fix this is allowing Chloe dies in that moment you resurrected the girl for the first time.
Max could have saved Chloe without the cursed powers of her, but she ended up not doing. The course of life and nature has changed due to the intervention of Max on the lives of the people using these powers.

[Lykeios]

lmao. they need to FIX the ending. It wasn't comparable content wise to the other ending. It's only 3 minutes or so long...pathetic

[ShadowBeak]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kingadam1989:

lmao. they need to FIX the ending. It wasn't comparable content wise to the other ending. It's only 3 minutes or so long...pathetic

The cemetery scene could be cut and show the Max enjoying her life with Warren.

[Lykeios]

Lmfao. no...they need to make Sacrifice AB canon and then FIX it or make a sequel. Bae before bay every damn time. if sacrifice chloe is "canon" then they need to make it depressing and sad...not all hippy dippy.
♥♥♥♥ warren, he was a wishy washy weak ass character, lol. Chloe is the only character that made sense and actually grew (aside from Kate and Victoria perhaps).

[Will]

Chaos theory is a legit scientific theory and not some random "human life is priceless" supernatual BS.
The whole point of chaos theory is that the future state of some systems are impossible to predict, so you can't make the prediction that whatever you do will not cause the storm unless you actually go back and do exactly what you did the first time around (assume that doesn't cause the storm, even though she still got a vision for it) accurate down to the plank length which she didn't do, because she sat down and that could still cause something unpredictable.

[Valdyr]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DarkRisado:

The only way to fix this is allowing Chloe dies in that moment you resurrected the girl for the first time.

If it's true that Max using her power caused the storm, it's impossible to fix, because she has to use her power again to go back to that moment. If each time she uses her power, it causes more instability, then that has to include when she arrives in the bathroom to let Chloe die.

[Valdyr]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Will:

Chaos theory is a legit scientific theory and not some random "human life is priceless" supernatual BS.
The whole point of chaos theory is that the future state of some systems are impossible to predict, so you can't make the prediction that whatever you do will not cause the storm unless you actually go back and do exactly what you did the first time around (assume that doesn't cause the storm, even though she still got a vision for it) accurate down to the plank length which she didn't do, because she sat down and that could still cause something unpredictable.

It's also not the same Max. If her memories are different, then the physical structure of her brain is measurably different. It's also impossible for her to guarantee she would make the exact same moves, same number of breaths, same number of heartbeats, etc. as the first time, up until the point where she lets Chloe die instead of saving her. It's impossible for that moment to be perfectly replicated with 100% accuracy up until the point of Chloe's life or death. It can't be fixed.

[Lykeios]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Will:

Chaos theory is a legit scientific theory and not some random "human life is priceless" supernatual BS.
The whole point of chaos theory is that the future state of some systems are impossible to predict, so you can't make the prediction that whatever you do will not cause the storm unless you actually go back and do exactly what you did the first time around (assume that doesn't cause the storm, even though she still got a vision for it) accurate down to the plank length which she didn't do, because she sat down and that could still cause something unpredictable.

Determinism brah, determinism.
Chaos theory is the ♥♥♥♥, but cosmic nihilism is just dumb IMO.
Moral nihilism? Yea, that, on the other hand, is the ♥♥♥♥. lol.

[Will]

Chaos theory neither confirms nor denies determinism. A fully deterministic universe still has chaotic systems.

[Lykeios]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Will:

Chaos theory neither confirms nor denies determinism. A fully deterministic universe still has chaotic systems.

Exactly :)

[ShadowBeak]

Max changed the universe at the time who used those powers to revive a person. This person shouldn't is alive. She could have helped in another way, but in the normal timeline did nothing to intervene. If you change anything in the past, this will bring dire consequences in the future.

[Lykeios]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DarkRisado:

Max changed the universe at the time who used those powers to revive a person. This person shouldn't is alive. She could have helped in another way, but in the normal timeline did nothing to intervene.

Exactly. Someone has to die in order for the other to live.
Ever read any of Chuck Wendig's Urban Fantasy? :D LOVE that guy

[ShadowBeak]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kingadam1989:

Oprindeligt skrevet af DarkRisado:

Max changed the universe at the time who used those powers to revive a person. This person shouldn't is alive. She could have helped in another way, but in the normal timeline did nothing to intervene.

Exactly. Someone has to die in order for the other to live.
Ever read any of Chuck Wendig's Urban Fantasy? :D LOVE that guy

If you change anything in the past, this will bring dire consequences in the future.

[Will]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DarkRisado:

Max changed the universe at the time who used those powers to revive a person. This person shouldn't is alive. She could have helped in another way, but in the normal timeline did nothing to intervene.

The universe doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about people being dead or alive, a dead person has the same number of atoms as a living person, the difference is completely insignificant to even the weather at Arcadia Bay, nevermind the universe.

[Valdyr]

Do you think it would be possible to save Chloe if she goes back to before the butterfly picture was taken and sends a text message that will cause Chloe to never go to the bathroom to get shot? Or do you believe she's "destined" to die, and there will be a disaster if she survives in any way?

[ShadowBeak]

Max returned to the past by accident trying to save Chloe in the bathroom.