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Isn't Mark Jefferson arrested in that ending? Also I'm sure Max remembers all the times she was concious in the previous episodes, like investigating the dark room, saving Kate, etc. What she DOESN'T remember is when, like during those times when the pictures are shown and they get kind of burnt and replaced, the times THOSE represent is what she doesn't remember, that's why Chloe has to tell her what happened towards the end of Ep. 5
This is just a combined theory (from me and brotherofwar and treetrunk from the other thread). I will just copy and paste it here so please bear with me :)
The events in the game already happened but it's only Chloe and Max remembering it. The butterfly and the doe is both Chloe and Max's spirit manifestation. Both actually represents them, not just in color and appearance, but also their personality (Chloe = butterfly = trying to get out of her cocoon, evolving + the tattoo / Max = doe = kind, caring, looking out for others).
The butterfly first appeared before Max when Chloe was supposed to be shot by Nathan in the restroom. It is Chloe's spirit manifestation and is trying to warn Max that there will be a big consequence if she's saved. There is also a chance that it is trying to let Max take a photo so when she realizes what to do in the end, she will be able to travel back. It is an evolved version of Chloe and now thinks of the consequences and guides Max (or appears) in every major decision (or move) she needs to make.
The doe also appears in front of Max but it's not opaque like the butterfly. This might be because Max is supposed to still be alive and it's just representing Max's memory of the events. When Max is trying to find something or confused (don't know where to go), the doe guides her. It appeared last (if you choose the Chloe ending) when Max already traveled back using the butterfly photo and is guiding her where everything started.
Both spirits are trying to tell Max to not mess with time anymore and just fix everything one last time. In the end (if you choose the Chloe ending), you will see that Max understood what the butterfly really is and she smiled.
Max's time travel did not go to waste because 1) Mr. Jefferson and Nathan was arrested and 2) everyone that was supposed to be hurt by Mr. Jefferson and Nathan was saved (well, except Rachel).
These are the reasons why, for me, saving Arcadia Bay is the right choice. Feel free to disagree, it's all cool. :D
Here is the link to the original post: http://steamcommunity.com/app/319630/discussions/0/490123727973314975
I agree with the OP, by using the picture to go back in time to let Chloe die, Max using time travel would again create an even more tangled web. By saving Chloe, Max is letting go and letting the universe unfold in it's own way.
LIS shares some interesting similarities and differences with one of the great old Star Trek episodes, City On The Ege Of Forever, which delt with this ending, in some ways an opposite dilemma. Kirk had to let his loved one die in order to allow 'history' to play out. He could not alter the past to create a desired outcome without greater consequences. Max can also let 'fate' play out by no longer attempting to play 'god' and 'fix' things.
One of the lessons from City On the Edge of Forever is that Regret is the worst emotion of all. Even if you could go back in time and change a choice you had made in the past to avoid a heartbreak for example, how can you know that you still wouldn't have simply experienced another heartbreak in a different form? If Kirk alterted the past so his love would live, who's to say she still wouldn't have tragically died later or that they would have really had a happy life together.
This game also has a very spiritual view (Native American?) on 'life after death' in the form of spirit animals, which is a whole nother can of worms for discussion in another thread, depending on your view of the subject. Different realities, different relms, non linear time....requiring non linear thought.
Thats the beauty of this game, make any choice you want. You can't 'loose' this game.
Anyway, its late, my brain is fried from staying up late playing this great game. Merci Beaucoup Dontnod for this most wonderful experience. My deep gratitude to all the production staff, actors, actresses, publishers, musicians, artists, and everyone who made this game possible.
Wheelchair Chloe Timeline sticks out a bit for the crazy stuff still happening despite that initial Chloe catalyst never happening, but does that mean "Maxine" had also gotten those powers and was using them before Our Max popped in there? You never do learn much about Maxine other than she was in with the Vortex Club.
The Sacrifice Chloe ending (the one I chose) leaves it up to your assumption that Max will take everything she learned from "her" week to apply to the fixed timeline, so eventually her relationships with everyone will "catch up" to where they were. Chloe says as much at the lighthouse that Max will take everything she's experienced with her (iirc) and Max's interactions with Kate and Victoria when she goes back in time to the start of the game indicates how she'll apply it. I don't mind that the game didn't just paint a perfect picture of how exactly everything ended up with absolutely everyone.
@OKO Nobody would've been hurt, after Rachel, by Nathan and Jefferson in the first place if Max had never time traveled. Max saving Chloe dragged it out a lot further and opened the door, depending on your choices, for more people being hurt. After Max sets the timeline right, it's Totally Normal Max from that point until Time Travel Max pops back in at the lighthouse.
Max stopping all that from happening saves Arcadia Bay from herself in two ways, storm and Nathan/Jefferson. But Time Travel Max still takes everything she learned, things Totally Normal Max never would've known, back to the Normal Timeline to make a kind of Ideal Normal Timeline for herself. So the summation of the game is... self improvement and how that can be applied to the betterment of those around you? Which is alright with me!
The doe/butterfly theory's a cool one. I always just assumed the deer was Rachel, but Max seems more suited as a deer.
Except that's kind of wrong, We clearly see that Jefferson still gets arrested. Rachel is dead because she died before the divergence in the timelines, but because max retains her memories or perhaps because psycho junior, Nat, kills Chloe in the bathroom, the police decide to investigate and find Jefferson. Kate wouldn't attempt suicide again because now max knows that shes suicidal and the people at Blackwell know what happened to Kate is true because Jefferson was caught and thus they probably stopped bulling her. All of this proves more and more that Chloe's death in the bathroom was destined to happen in the first place. By having her killed by Nat, it makes Jefferson more likely to be caught etc etc. Even if max didn't know about Jefferson and didn't tip off David in the original timeline, they probably would have caught him because I'm sure Nat would have rolled on him (because he was a very weak and emotionally unstable individual).
By preventing Chloe's death, Max more or less triggered a chain of events where Jefferson and Nat got away with their crimes unless Chloe and her intervened in which case Chloe most likely dies anyways.
The way I inteprated the two endings was like this, if you choose to save Chloe, you choose to change fate in such a way where she is allowed to exist in the universe because it has already taken its collateral from the town with the huge tornado. If you choose to save the town, you course correct and follow the original timeline where Chloe dies but in return you avenge Rachel and catch Jefferson/Nat. The ending of this story quite litterally has Max choose to save an entire town or her best friend in a very pure way.
To be honest, I don't know if this is true. There's no real evidence that nobody would get hurt from Mr. Jefferson and Nathan if Max didn't time travel. For all we know, they could be planning to kidnap one of the girls in Blackwell already even if Max didn't exist. They had it started from Rachel, who knows what they will do next.
But Nathan killing Chloe stops whatever he and Jefferson had planned next, because Nathan goes to jail and that leads to Jefferson's arrest.
But if for some reason Chloe died, Max didn't use her time travel powers but Nathan hadn't gotten caught for Chloe's murder, then Jefferson probably would've still targeted Victoria and Max.
You might be right.. But think about this:
Nathan got arrested because he killed Chloe. With just this reason, Mr. Jefferson is out of it, unless if Nathan blabs and tell the police about Rachel - which is not related to killing Chloe.
From time travelling tho, Max already knew that Mr. Jefferson is the one responsible for Rachel and we saw her warn David about it - this might be the reason why Mr. Jefferson was also arrested.
Well other than the ending of course, really wanted that loft in san fran...