Polaroid Instant film is silly and unrealistic -for (most!) photographers!

[Jaxx]

I had a nice ;) conversation (another thread about Max using Polaroid camera in game) because I wrote that Max using Polaroid Instant (Positive) Film is hmmm not realistic. So, if you don't mind, read my long ;) valid argument.
If you would know about photography, you wouldn't say that Max' Polaroid Instant (600?) is a really good camera with really good film / image quality and Usability for photographers purpose.

IT IS big ridiculous cliché that analog photography (camera) is "better" than digital camera! ESPECIALLY NOT Polaroid!!! It is just unrealistic (but ridiculous) romantic glorified (from some one with no clue, dear devs!) that it's so much better if she use Polaroid. It's just silly! It's big facepalm! If you would know about photography, you would agree with me! Max really would love to be a "real" photographer, right? As far as I can remember that's her big dream, right? Beeing a "real" considered photographer, with good photos and exhibitions, right? Than it is just RIDICULOUS (and devs "fault") that Max use Polaroid camera! Do you know about the POOR image quality of polaroid instant positive film photos? Do you know that it's not easy to duplicate or enlarge Polaroid Instant (Positive) Image for exhibitions? It's as silly as some one desperatly wanted to be a great artist painter, but instead of using oil paints or at least acrylic paint, you use cheap poor watercolours from Walmart. Yes, you can make some nice watercolour painting with such paint, but you will never be able to paint pictures like Rembrandt or van Gogh... Also such cheap watercolours are not durable for a long time, at least not if you hang them on walls with UV light, because cheap watercolours don't have non-fading pigments.

It's ridiculous like some one want to be a great guitarist and try it with cheap little plastic kids guitar -also from walmart ;-) Just ridiculous and unrealistic! No real person with such dream would act like that! A real human beeing with the wish of becoming "real" photographer and if she would care about image quality would not use Polaroid but would try to get better camera, at least old analog or (even better) digital Single-lens reflex camera.

Using Polaroid is part of the story of the game?
Well as far as I can remember, it has not to be Polaroid. She needs the photos as developed / printed photos, so she can travel thru time, right? Yeah so what? There is not printer in her farty arty school? She can't develop her photos in Darkroom? (You don't need that much time for that!) Hell, she even could buy a digital camera with build-in-printer, but with better image quality than polaroid (positive film). She also could use digital screens from digital camera or computer for showing photo so she could travel back in time. So there are few options to avoid that ludicrous unrealistic cliché Polaroid thing! Representing Polaroid camera as oh so "romantic" and "better" camera is just silly, stupid. And hell yeah I don't like it, yeah because it is just too silly and unrealistic stupid! As i said before, no real serious heavy-duty (wanna-be) artist Photographer (like Max) would use Polaroid as one and only main camera!

THAT make the whole story or let me say Max' character UNREALISTIC and unbelievable / implausibly. So that destroys the whole "story" (Max character).
Especially if you want to be a real pro. (And no one would use Pola if he or she would care about image quality) It's almost unbelievable that they allow her to use one. In real art school they would give her a "real" camera, so she could learn about the process of developing photos. Damn please give her a good camera with good picture quality, something with photography negative film or digital sensor with Raw image format. But Polaroid...that also means that Max can't develop (or change artistically) her photos in darkroom or with photoshop -a big part of the whole artistic photographic process. Developing photos in darkroom or photoshop would be personal style. Polaroid is not personal style. Polaroid is instant crap with crappy image quality. Just good enough for a quick review (image) or very very private photos no one should see. (Because you don't give away negative film to some one else for developing...) If she really would care about real and artistic photography (as she mentioned in game??) she would never ever use a Pola. Sorry.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/319630/discussions/0/1291816569118445775/?ctp=24

My father is a guitar player (acoustic and E-guitar) and musician since almost 50 years. And he used to take analog photos, including photo developing, now he use digital cameras. I myself am a photographer as well, and I also tried to develope negative (black / white) film in past. I can't remember how many minutes, but you don't need hours! As I said before, sound quality of plastic guitar (from posted video) is crap, and normaly you can't put amplifier cable in it, no pro would use it for serious things like concerts and good recordings -maybe just for fun, for beeing silly. Back to photo cameras, Polaroid is instant camera for quick fun, but with very poor image quality. As I said before, no pro would ever... If you wanna become a real photographer you also would not use Polaroid. You would try to get old analog or digital camera. Also, as far as I can remember, in game Max talked little bit about few other photographers, it seems to me she admire them... but then she don't use similar cameras like they use(d) but instead of that she use Polaroid. LOL *facepalm* I can't remember if there was a real good explanation for that in game. But fact is still (no matter what you say) that using Polaroid in art class is just tooo silly and unrealistic, if you want to be a real photographer! Even "Lomo" cameras like "Holga" or "Diana" are much better than Polaroid!

You learn almost nothing about photography if you use Pola. Nothing about analog, nothing about digital photo image developing. (You also can't evolve your own style and style of image developing.) You just might learn little bit about framing the shoot / photo scene, that's all. There is NO need to use Polaroid. BUT there are many good reasons to use other cameras! Again, she don't need darkroom. She also could use digital camera -welcome to the future! But she only use Polaroid, which means she does not care about image quality (and she does not care if she could use or could not use tiny Polaroid images with poor image quality for exhibitions) , she does not care to learn about photography and about film developing, analog or digital, she just don't care and don't want to know / learn. She don't care about The Craft of Photography. So at the end she just really don't care to become a photographer. So all her previous words in game about being a soon-to-be photographer and about photography and famous photographers is just silly unsubstantial empty blah blah. You can advocate devs silly decision for using Polaroid in game as much as you want, but the truth is, in real life Max would never ever use Polaroid (especially not as only main) camera, if she would love to become a real photographer and if she really would care about photography and image quality.

@ Frankenbeans, no you dont get it and sorry you are wrong. Yes I am a photographer, and I am talking about The Craft of Photography. Photography is much more than just pushing the little button!!! But with Polaroid you can't do much more than just pushing the button! There are no lenses you can change, there are no photographic analog filters you could use (as far as I know) for Pola. As far as I can remember there are also no settings for Aperture and Exposure time, well not many. There is NO (own) image developing! NO own artistic style. Almost nothing you could change, not own artistic style. It's just aim and shoot. Just using Polaroid and just pushing the button is -sorry- just not enough! You are not a real photographer if you don't know / care about the craft of photography, including all such things. Like camera lenses, filters, film / sensor size... camera technology... IMAGE DEVELOPING!!! Also -and again- if you make images, you care about image quality, and almost all "real" photographer would prefer a "real" camera with better image quality!!! Because at the end, the image is the final product and you want to see it and you want that other people can see it, clear. But Polaroid image quality is like... nope thanks!!! Just show me one real photographer, okay now I mean a real pro who use only Polaroid! You say that you are a photographer? Right now I doubt! And it's not about analog VS digital as you said. It's about good image quality, about the craft of photography, it's about using and "playing" with different camera equipment. Changing camera things (like lenses and settings) and giving image different styles. You can't do all that with Polaroid! Sorry to say so but fact is Polaroid is kind of crap, and is almost the most unimportant part in the world of photography when it comes to image quality and artistic style and using photography equipment. What camera do you use? Nevermind. You just could name some from internet. And I still would feel doubt.

You are wrong, I know a lot about art, in fact I am artist, photographer and painter. And I still say using ONLY Polaroid as only main camera if she wants to be a real photographer is just not enough! Yeah yeah ART, I get it... haha Art, okay Because triggering the cameras button of Polaroid is so arty, farty arty. Pushing down the button is so much personal art style. Just framing the image, and pushing the button, yeah great art. Sorry, I'm ironic now. If she would really care about art AND photography she would love to use and learn "real" cameras with film and digital and image developing, but she don't care! Being Artist and being Photographer is much more than just pushing cameras button, especially if it's just a Polaroid! Oh, there is a special reason in game why she use Polaroid? Sorry, I can't remember. However, if she wants to be an real photographer and then she just use Polaroid is still silly and unrealistic.

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The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today.

Agree.

Two already disqualified lying fanboys without any clue!

[Qiana]

If you believe that storks bring babies, why not.

Belief is not against any laws ...

Over and out.

[Jaxx]

Also most other photographers also prefer other cameras!
Like 99 % saying You are wrong!
They all don't agree! And you are talking about art again

You don't get it. I'm talking about photographers and what's best / good for them.
Polaroid Instant and Instant film like Polaroid 600 is probably the worst for them.
Mostly all other cameras and films / sensor are better for them!

You don't believe? You don't agree? Well, so go ahead and open / set up shop for Max-like Polaroid camera and instant film, I bet you will fail!!! Oh wait, you already work for Polaroid?! Or try to be famous photographer just with Instant Polaroids only, oh please try if you dare!

[CZBGR Icepick]

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Now I'm laughing. Seriously? Noooo, you are so wrong! But now I believe you are just Polaroid fan(atic)!

No. I just don't like purist BS, especially one that is completely false. They're viable among famous artists and photographers who know how to use their photography. This isn't about "making memories" and getting worried about color quality.

There's a ton of elements that go into the work that is not as vain as how pretty the picture has to look.

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Again, name us other cameras that are worse than Polaroid Instant! Photobooth? Spy microfilm camera? (You don't know any other cameras, but you "know" Polaroid because of the game, don't you!?) Tell us!!!

None of these questions are relevant. While Max could have used any of those, your complaint merely at how the photo quality is with them anyway is an unfair and dishonest analysis of why she uses them, and why your views are entirely invalid.

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-is the proof that you are kind of Polaroid fanboy! Funny, I call Polaroid Instant probably the worst, you call Polaroid Instant "better" (art ;-) than anything else in photography world!

Talking about facts doesn't make me a Polaroid fanboy. Your commentary contrary to the facts is utter garbage.

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Haha, but you tell me "The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today." Hahaha, okay you are weird.

What's weird is that you don't admit when you're wrong. You keep saying "Polaroids are bad!", yet a number of prestigious people clearly have found value in it and contribute their work using them. This contradicts everything you say that's bad about Polaroids.

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Art process? Btw, it's characteristic for you and some others that YOU STILL TALK ABOUT ART... Art process? (That's you great argument: "Art art art, fart fart fart, bark bark bark...!")

You being 14 years old would be an accurate description of how much you lack the maturity to make a coherent response.

As explained before, photography is a form of art, because photography was invented to be another medium for art. To document life and living. That's a fact. Note, I didn't say Polaroids.

Your contradiction lies in not liking Polaroids, yet Polaroids still serve the same purpose as ANY camera Max could have used. You have a problem with this particular one, but wouldn't have a problem with other cameras. A Polaroid still takes pictures. You can still point and shoot. That doesn't make any other camera special being able to do this either. There is rationally no reason Polaroids are an issue.

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Well, the process of making art / photos with other cameras with different lenses and filters is great! (Also such things like photos with long time exposure...) You can't do that with Polaroid Instant Camera. Negativ film or digital RAWs are also great, very convenient for (also creatively) developing. Very convenient for enlarging, copying / reproducing and share photos. Great for using photos in books, for selling photos, great for using photos as gift, or as poster for yourself, great for exhibitions. All that you can NOT do (at least not easily and convenient) with Polaroid Instant Film Camera. Try to enlarge Polaroid Instant Photo for exhibition! What are you going to do to? Scanning Polaroid with digital scanner? Oh wait, Max is "analog guy" right?! Any other alternative? You could haha photograph the polaroid photo again, with negativ film or digital sensor Camera -LOL. Any other alternative? I don't know, I doubt. So yes, you could plaster the whole gallery wall with almost tiny polaroid images, people will love you for that. Polaroid Instant photo is unique, because there is only one single version of it. It's NOT easily and convenient to copy, so if you wanna present (gift) it to a friend, your own artwork is gone, you can't use it anymore for books, for exhibitions... Your oeuvre will be gone, at least scattered all over your families / friends place. Your argument to counter my argument is still "ART" ? If you would know about photography (with other cameras), you wouldn't say that... But now I think that you believe "Polaroid Instant is art and all other photocameras are not art!" You are wrong, so wrong...

Here, kids, is a wall of text with another bunch of incoherent ramblings trying to sound smart.

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Wrong! And that refutes nothing! Money is the best explanation WHY she use Polaroid Instant AND Polaroid Instant only. (Of course no rivalry / opposition allowed!) If there wouldn't be big money involved real Max would not stick to Polaroid! The money thing is kind of proof for my argumentation!

You totally did not get the point.

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That's your great new argument??? What kind of stuff does she use? JUST ANOTHER CAMERA with 35mm analog film? Maybe even with changable lenses? Or even digital? So what? What do you believe? You believe that every other camera besides Polaroid Instant is elite expensive equipment for elite snobbish arrogant bully people? You are black and white thinking.

Try playing LIS again and find out for yourself. Otherwise, your replies are immature and lack critical thinking.

[Prinegon]

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In the Before the Storm bonus episode "Farewell", Max mentions the name Polaroid: "I love how Polaroid cameras make every photo look a little nostalgic."

Throwing in some fun facts into the discussion. One could come to two conclusions with this fact:
- Max uses Polaroid cameras as an artistic choice. She wants to play with the nostalgia coming with Polaroid film, that is why Polaroid is her camera of choice. She might value expensive cameras as those from Victorias catalogue as well, but she'd never disdain the classic.

- The developers of BtS "Farewell" were aware of how odd the choice was to give Max a Polaroid camera and saw the need for an explaination. Especially since BtS (and its Bonus Episode) is not made by the original developer team, this can be seen as a commentary of the rival team on something they'd feel was odd or a mistake even.

Guess ist comes down to your own disposition, which of the two conclusions seems more logical to you.

[Jaxx]

I am sorry, I've never played Life Is Strange: Before the Storm, therefore i can't say something about game. But "the nostalgia coming with Polaroid film" -of course she could use many other (and cheap!) Cameras & films for great nostalgia. You guys should know that there are many other great analog classic vintage cameras out there, still available!... But it seems to me that Polaroid Instant is the most well known, so all people (nowadays) love Polaroid. If you really would know all the great other cameras you might would love the other ones first. But wait...no you wouldn't because the other cameras are not in Life is Strange. But Polaroid is in game, 2 times!!

>>- The developers of BtS "Farewell" were aware of how odd the choice was to give Max a Polaroid camera and saw the need for an explaination. <<
The explaination is in the game? Maybe I will search for it someday on youtube walkthrough videos. Thank you again!

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This isn't about "making memories" and getting worried about color quality.

LOL again!

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None of these questions are relevant. (...) your views are entirely invalid.

You're telling me all the time that my arguments are irrelevant and invalid. I could say the same to everything you wrote!

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Talking about facts...

Fact is that almost every camera and almost every film / digital sensor RAW file is more convenient / usefull / handy than
https://www.instantcamera.org/polaroid-originals/polaroid-600-instant-camera/
and
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1135/7914/products/film_600-color-film_006002_sample-7_828x.png?v=1604668409
You can use almost every other camera for photos with the same "artistic value" BUT with better image size / resolution, with better range / possibilities for convenient / usefull / handy utilization for picture developing, enlarging, reproducing, selling, presenting, exhibiting and publishing than you could with Polaroid Instant film like 600.
And you can not proof me wrong!
Your main argument is still: "ART" and "art does not need good image quality"...
My argument is The bigger the better. My argument is Almost every film is better (and more convenient) than Polaroid Instant 600 and similar films!
And you can not proof me wrong!
My argument is that there are alot other cameras out there with them you can do much more varied, versatile photos and art than with Polaroid Instant 600.
And you can not proof me wrong! What's weird is that you don't admit when you're wrong. I say in my mind almost every other camera / other film is "better" ... more usefull or whatever you would call that.

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Polaroids (...) people clearly have found value in it and contribute their work using them.

I never claimed the opposite!!! It seems to me you still misinterpret my words!!!
There is value in every picture and almost everything people call "art". Well but nowadays use of term "art" is ... overused! But again, there is indeed value in every picture!

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This contradicts everything you say that's bad about Polaroids.

WRONG! Read again my word above. The other cameras, the other films...!
But you again insulting me!

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photography was invented to be another medium for art

Wrong! I disagree!

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To document life and living

I agree.

Do I dislike Polaroids? Well, I just like almost every camera & film much more! LOL
Because of all the good arguments & reasons I wrote before. But you insult me.
YOU are the one saying that Polaroid is the best / better than everything else a photographer could offer with other camera!

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The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today.

IF you really believe that than any further discussion with you is pointless -point-and-shoot-less!

But funny thing is, most other photographers (and now the best funny thing) also most other haha artists use OTHER CAMERAS & OTHER FILMS for their photographs AND ART.
That fact undergird / confirm my argument!!!
But...
You believe they are all wrong? You believe they don't know what to do? You believe there is no good reason why almost the whole world use other equipment? You believe you know better than them? Millions of photographers / artists / camera-user all over the world! You say they are all wrong?
YOU totally did not get the point.

[Qiana]

Explaining to you, why YOU totally didn't get the point, would lead nowhere, just as it was the case with that Turbo Thing recently, and so I will not even try. However, here something else that might be of interest to you ...

I've read what you wrote in LIS:BTS thread:

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I like LiS 1 because there is photography and timetravelling in it.

Remember (?) ...

Leica’s motto is different: “Concentration on Essentials.” Leica M cameras force the photographer to think about the final image when pressing the shutter release.

If you like LIS and want to give it a "shot", you could download the fan-made Polaroid “Concentration on Essentials” game — you can walk around the place and make snapshots to your liking, but no interchangeable lenses, filters and other distractions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeeDoCpvFYQ

If it has to be a better camera, but not necessarily LIS, you might also try playing:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1248990/Mrdalssandur_Iceland/

There are a few other "photo-games" in Steam Store too, but you'll have to look for them on your own.


P.S.

Life Is Strange 2 is not about the photography, but as a painter, you might appreciate drawing too — unlike Max "polarizing" with her Polaroid, Sean is making sketches and drawings throughout the game.

[Jaxx]

Explaining to you, why YOU totally didn't get the point, would lead nowhere and so I will not even try...again!

However, thank you for the information. I appreciate that. I don't know anything about "Concentration on Essentials" or where I can find it and how to use, but someday I will search for it. Thanks. (Also the other game, with link :)
LiS 2 s with (artistic ;) painter? Oh ... nice. I am a painter myself. And I never cared about LiS2 because there is no Max with photocamera anymore, haha but Painter is also good, so maybe I will try someday. There is no timetravelling anymore, right? Sad. Sean is making sketches and drawings? but no paintings -but then... he is no painter but a drawer! LOL Or a cartoonist or illustrator, but never ever a painter.

[CZBGR Icepick]

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LOL again!

You don't have a gotcha here.

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You're telling me all the time that my arguments are irrelevant and invalid. I could say the same to everything you wrote!

Nope. You don't have a logical conclusion here.

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Fact is that almost every camera and almost every film / digital sensor RAW file is more convenient / usefull / handy than (snip)

Right on cue, you're complaining about image quality.

When is it gonna occur to you that this is not a major thing?

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You can use almost every other camera for photos with the same "artistic value" BUT with better image size / resolution, with better range / possibilities for convenient / usefull / handy utilization for picture developing, enlarging, reproducing, selling, presenting, exhibiting and publishing than you could with Polaroid Instant film like 600.
And you can not proof me wrong!
Your main argument is still: "ART" and "art does not need good image quality"...
My argument is The bigger the better. My argument is Almost every film is better (and more convenient) than Polaroid Instant 600 and similar films!

Again, a silly argument about image quality that has 0 artistic value.

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And you can not proof me wrong!My argument is that there are alot other cameras out there with them you can do much more varied, versatile photos and art than with Polaroid Instant 600.
And you can not proof me wrong! What's weird is that you don't admit when you're wrong. I say in my mind almost every other camera / other film is "better" ... more usefull or whatever you would call that.

It's not a competition.

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I never claimed the opposite!!! It seems to me you still misinterpret my words!!!

The last 3 sections, I quoted you on says otherwise.

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WRONG! Read again my word above. The other cameras, the other films...!

Try reading back what you wrote.

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Wrong! I disagree!

Disagree all you want, but to oppose facts still makes you entirely wrong.

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But you insult me.

You insulted yourself using bad logic.

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YOU are the one saying that Polaroid is the best / better than everything else a photographer could offer with other camera!

Nope. You did not understand the discussion at all, that's why you're ignorant.

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The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today.

Facepalm all you want, but they're living, physical proof that refutes you.

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But funny thing is, most other photographers (and now the best funny thing) also most other haha artists use OTHER CAMERAS & OTHER FILMS for their photographs AND ART.
That fact undergird / confirm my argument!!!
But...
You believe they are all wrong? You believe they don't know what to do? You believe there is no good reason why almost the whole world use other equipment?

If you're gonna ask all that, ask yourself how skilled *most* people that use them are, let alone all famous for it.

While you're at that, ask yourself how your question is biased in favor of those that don't use Polaroids, as opposed to those that use them. This answer will be why your point was invalid.

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You believe you know better than them? Millions of photographers / artists / camera-user all over the world! You say they are all wrong?
YOU totally did not get the point.

Never said they were wrong. You're totally focused on the fact they use them, somehow concluding Polaroid use is no good, in spite of the fact people use them and still create valuable photography.

You're an entire joke, and it does not matter how much you spam my pictures to harass me. You refuse to see that your logic is bad.

[Jaxx]

You are still talking about art? You silly willy!
Disagree all you want, but to oppose facts still makes you entirely wrong. Nope. You did not understand the discussion at all, that's why you're ignorant. They're living, physical proof that refutes you. You're an entire joke. You refuse to see that your logic is bad. I don't spam your pictures, just a few comments.

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The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today.

While you were saying that, you disqualified yourself!!! YOU are narrow-minded!!!
Tell us, are you working for game devs? or Polaroid? Or are you just a typical fanboy?
again

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The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today.

I can not take you seriously! You know nothing about photography!

[Qiana]

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Explaining to you, why YOU totally didn't get the point, would lead nowhere, [...] and so I will not even try.

Explaining to you, why YOU totally didn't get the point, would lead nowhere and so I will not even try...again!

There's only one big difference here — I know what am I talking about. My images were on exhibitions around the world, published in books and magazines on all 5 continents, I was a photographer of the month ... I know how that business works.

Once, my friend JLS wanted to publish some of his great b/w landscapes, but everybody only wanted his 'fresh-meat' photos, and so, he simply told them: "OK... If you publish those landscapes, you get the other photos too, if not, someone else will do". At that point in life, he could afford it ... What a great photographer, artist and philosopher ...

Sentimentality aside, you really should rethink your attitude. It does make harm only to you.

This goes little bit in a direction of my P.S. in:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/319630/discussions/0/1734336452564701447/?ctp=256#c3046104336676648541

As of “Concentration on Essentials” (official Leitz/ Leica Camera motto over many years), you really should give it a try. Just one, as simple as possible camera, just one or two lenses, and no filters, no ... other distractions. It's a great way to learn how to make good photos, despite the limitations.

https://www.pacificrimcamera.com/rl/01508/01508.pdf

https://www.pacificrimcamera.com/rl/01665/01665.pdf

https://www.pacificrimcamera.com/rl/rlLeitzmisc.htm

[Prinegon]

Jaxx, I want to ask you something. Let's assume for a moment, Max wasn't using a polaroid camera, but a camera for black&white fotos instead. Would you accept this limitation as an artistic choice for Max, or would you as well be so passionate about claiming, that her camera was inferior, since it wouldn't even be able to show color at all?

Yes, we know that Polaroid was not chosen for artistical aspects, but because devs needed a way for Max to possess her pictures immediately, But in this thread multiple possible ingame explainations where offered for you to extend your suspension of disbelief, but you choose to accept none of them. It's a bit of a pity, since besides your problem with the polaroid camera you seem to enjoy that game otherwise.

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The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today.

While you were saying that, you disqualified yourself!!! :2016whoadude: YOU are narrow-minded!!!
Tell us, are you working for game devs? or Polaroid? Or are you just a typical fanboy?

Of course there are some Polaroid photos that are worth a lot. That is what exclusivity and aging does in respect to art. Doesn't say much about the quality of the work,, however. A Vermeer or Piccasso doesn't change owners for multiple million dollars, because they were much more talented painters than anybody alive today - there are people alive that are able to make paintings that are undistinguesable from photography for god's sake - but because exclusivity and age give them a collectors value. With old photis it is not different.

[Qiana]

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Let's assume for a moment, Max wasn't using a polaroid camera, but a camera for black&white fotos instead. Would you accept this limitation as an artistic choice for Max, or would you as well be so passionate about claiming, that her camera was inferior, since it wouldn't even be able to show color at all?

https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/LEICA-M-MONOCHROM

https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M10-Monochrom

[Jaxx]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Prinegon:

Jaxx, I want to ask you something. Let's assume for a moment, Max wasn't using a polaroid camera, but a camera for black&white fotos instead. Would you accept this limitation as an artistic choice for Max, or would you as well be so passionate about claiming, that her camera was inferior, since it wouldn't even be able to show color at all?

Yes, of course. Although I love colours! I also do B & W from time to time. But only for special photos / scene. There is no really need for photographing everything B & W. Haha World is not B & W. And finally guess what, shooting B & W does NOT make picture automatically better or more artistic! So you need a special photo / scene for good Black & White photo! I know that. But many amateurs believe that B & W is automatically so much art! But that's just not true!
(And PS I would say every negative film is much better than polaroid instant film -no matter if black - white OR colour!!!)

"Of course there are some Polaroid photos that are worth a lot."
I never said opposite!

And talking about Leica M Monochrom. Yeah well, just another example for another camera (instead of Polaroid Instant!) with way better film but haha wait, the modern Leica M Monochrom Cameras are indeed DIGITAL, and with high resolution! (Instead of Polaroid Instant!) and with (what I call better image quality, like better size / resolution...)
So you kinda prove that I am right. How many (okay let's say pro) photographers buy cameras like Leica digital camera? And how many Polaroid Instant?... Funny thing is, Leica M Monochrom is very expensive, like all Leicas are very expensive. So I would prefer another company, like Nikon or Fujifilm. But I wonder why you mention Leica M Monochrom!? (You don't know any other Black & White camera (film) ???!!!

Talking about B & W photos, or let's say just great photos, you need to know Vivian Maier! (I would say she was one of the best!)
Like...
http://www.vivianmaier.com/gallery/street-1/
http://www.vivianmaier.com/gallery/street-2/
and many more!
"Vivian Maier’s first camera was a modest Kodak Brownie box camera with one shutter speed, no aperture and focus control. In 1952 she purchased her first Rolleiflex camera. Over the course of her career she used Rolleiflex 3.5T, Rolleiflex 3.5F, Rolleiflex 2.8C, Rolleiflex Automat and others. She later also used a Leica IIIc, an Ihagee Exakta, a Zeiss Contarex and various other SLR cameras."

NO crappy Polaroid Instant film camera!

PS @ Qiana, you used Polaroid Instant film Photos (like Max use in game)???

I also know what am I talking about.

[CZBGR Icepick]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jaxx:

You are still talking about art? You silly willy!
Disagree all you want, but to oppose facts still makes you entirely wrong. Nope. You did not understand the discussion at all, that's why you're ignorant. They're living, physical proof that refutes you. You're an entire joke. You refuse to see that your logic is bad. I don't spam your pictures, just a few comments.

Photography is a form of art. Art is expression, and photography is used to facilitate expression. This doesn't mean you need a pretty picture or clarity.

Claude Monet certainly doesn't often make photo realistic paintings like Renaissance artists can. It's still a painting, and it's still art.

And you do spam my pictures. Stop lying.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jaxx:

While you were saying that, you disqualified yourself!!! :2016whoadude: YOU are narrow-minded!!!
Tell us, are you working for game devs? or Polaroid? Or are you just a typical fanboy?

Look at your response here. You think this is a dunk, and it's performed very badly.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jaxx:

I can not take you seriously! You know nothing about photography!

Of course not. At best, you're an amateur photographer. The question about Max using black/white dageurrotype in place of Polarouds is practically still in equal footing with Polaroids themselves. The pictures are not all pretty and production is aloof. But smart, skilled photographers will know what they're doing to make the image quality intentional. That makes the difference between a true photographer and someone who only needs the highest quality image as their crutch.

[Jaxx]

Początkowo opublikowane przez CZBGR Icepick:

Photography is a form of art. Art is expression, and photography is used to facilitate expression. This doesn't mean you need a pretty picture or clarity.

First of, you still talking about art. Photography is a form of art. - I know. Stop talking about "art". I don't talk about "pretty picture" and I would say I also dont talk about "clarity". You just don't get it what I am talking about. You just don't understand what I mean when I am talking about image quality and also usability of image / film! I am talking about size, resolution...do you prefer image with 10 x 20 pixel or 1000 x 2000 pixel? Big size film is better than small film size! Many pixel are better than just a few pixel! Every idiot knows that! Negative film is better than polaroid instant film! I would say poor quality of polaroid instant image is because of the hmm special formula / chem. composition of polaroid Instant film (and because of plastic-like "paper") because it has to be INSTANT!!! Btw. Max tear apart a polaroid photo in game? I'm not sure if that's easy to do. It seems to me Max is very very strong!
I'm also talking about usability ... can you copy, reproduce, enlarge, develope, present, sell easy or not. So the answer still is "bigger size film is better, negative film is better, also digital sensor raw files are better"... Polaroid is NOT good for such purposes! Other films / raws are better! AND SO MOST OTHER PHOTOGRAPHERS USE OTHER CAMERAS & FILM!!! That's what I am saying. (But you don't agree...)

Początkowo opublikowane przez CZBGR Icepick:

Claude Monet certainly doesn't often make photo realistic paintings like Renaissance artists can. It's still a painting, and it's still art..

Soooooo whaaaaaat? And again please stop talking about art. Now you also talk about paintings? Oh boy... You still don't understand what I am talking about?
AGAIN

Początkowo opublikowane przez CZBGR Icepick:

The art the artists make out of Polaroids are worth more than what photographers make today.

When you say such things every furthermore discussion with you about photography is useless! And yes, you disqualified yourself!!!

Początkowo opublikowane przez CZBGR Icepick:

The question about Max using black/white dageurrotype...

Please stop. You even don't know what Dageurrotype is! And noone mentioned Daguerreotype! But you dare to say "At best, you're an amateur photographer"?!
Get lost!!!

You prove me again that you don't know as much as I know about photography. So please just stop. It's getting ridiculous. You expose yourself to ridicule by showing us that you don't know what you are talking. (You even don't know what we others are talking) Just to inform you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daguerreotype

I don't wanna talk with you (CZBGR Icepick) anymore.