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https://steamcommunity.com/app/319630/discussions/0/1291816569118445775/?ctp=25#c3046104336678803879
Yes, framing the image actually IS a big part of art in photography. You try to create an expression with your image. Some people believe it needs to be realistic, some don't. Some people create art with sticks and rusty nails. Technology _can_ play a big role, but it doesn't have to, as long as you create the effect you want. Sometimes it helps if your own style is something nobody else uses and sometimes limiting yourself in terms of techniques you're using actually sparks off creativity.
TLDR: Yes, I can see how Max wouldn't be a commercial photographer with a polaroid camera ... but an artist? sure.
If you're purely looking at it from a business standpoint, yes digital will in 99% of the time be the best solution.
Same with paintings. Digital paintings will be the best solution in most cases if you're looking at it from a purely "lets make as much money as easily as possible" point of view. But that does not invalidate other art forms when it comes to painting. Like watercolour, oil colour, pencil, etc.
Same goes with photography and digital vs photographic film.
I think it's such a shame that people act like they know everything about the art form, and at the same time goes on a long rant that shows just how little they actually understand about what makes the art, actual art.
As far as I can remember I never said something about art. The question here never was "can someone use polaroid for making art?" (And no, my collected wall of text is not ridiculous. Just arguments, and for better understanding!) It's NOT about analog vs digital, it's NOT about art vs technology... And please don't teach me art, I know art.
I only said that: Polaroid is a camera with very poor image quality! Also polaroid images are inconvenient and not good for enlarging and for exhibitions. (Max had enlarged Polaroids at the end of the game, right?) Additionally I said that Max in real life would NOT use Polaroid as only or main camera if she would care about image quality (and exhibitions), and if she really wants to become a photographer!
Yes, some artists used Polaroid -so what?! Just look at ALL OTHER know or famous photographers and look which cameras they use (as main camera). Polaroid? NOPE. Some good reasons for that are: Image quality of Polaroid is very poor, tiny and poor, probably the most poor image quality I know! Polarloid has no negative film (or digital raw image) so they can NOT develope or change anything, but most photographers "love" developing photos. Most photographers want more than just aiming and shooting. Yes, framing the scene is important, but there is so much more about photography. The craft of photography... It's so much more fun with a tool with different settings, so many different options and outcomes. So much more creativity. But if you want a easy-to-use point and shoot camera, there are other cameras! (There is no good reason for Polaroid. But many good reasons for other cameras -that's why most photographer don't care about Polaroid but use other cameras!!!) You want fun point-and-shoot camera? Great, try cameras like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_camera (Hmmm, I don't like the term Toy Camera!) But there is negative film and much better image quality! Even some sort of camera obscura is better if you use hmm exposure-able photographic paper for catching the scene. Also you could use digital camera without lens but with tiny hole in Lens cap (buy a second Lens cap for that ;)
Again, IMAGE QUALITY ...sorry guy, is important. There is nothing wrong about what I call good image quality. Real polaroids don't look as good as in the game, you might know. Image quality of Polaroid is like crap, especially if you scan and enlarge and print it big, like Max did, she did that, right? Also a big part of photography is indeed working with different lenses and focal length (and Bokeh, or sharp images), also some lense filters, and different aperture. That is a very important and creative part of photography. And if you ask pro photographers (and haha artists as well) most of them might will say that developing the image is also very important and very creative process to finally get their work of art, and to evolve really own artistic style. You can't do all that with Polaroid. Pola is very limited! Good enough for "art" but not good enough and too limited for real photographers -if you use Polaroid as only main camera. So my conclusion is that Polaroid is the most crappy point-and-shoot camera ever!
There is a big hype around Polaroid, there was and there is again. The only real good thing about Pola was / is that picture come out instantly like a little baby ;-) and you can enjoy it instantly. But the rest is overhyped crap. Yes, few artists used polaroid. But pro photographers don't care much about Polaroid. In the world of pro photography Polaroid was most of the time nothing more than review camera for quick review images, before you use the good expensive film! If you wanna be artist you could use almost everything to create pictures, if you wanna be photographer then there are so many other good cameras for you and with them you will learn so much more about photography. As far as I can remember Max did not want to be an "Artist" like painter or picture-maker, she want to be a Photographer. Am I wrong that photography is her big passion?! So my opinion is that real life Max would try to get another camera! So she can get better image quality, and negative film or digital RAWs, and can use and learn about developing, and about different lenses and focal length and different aperture and so she can use all that, together with much more options and creativity and more different outcomes. Instead of sticking to crappy Polaroid because Pola is sooo romantic good-old-times charming whatever! *facepalm* Polaroid is a niche product because there are so many other much more "better" cameras for photographers than Polaroid. AND THEY USE OTHER CAMERAS!!! And it's just unrealistic that Max only use Polaraid in game If she wanna be what I call (sorry) "real" photographer. PS: Does Max shake her instant polaroid films? Haha, I hope not, would be silly too. That's my haha point of view. Thanks for reading. Have a nice day. See you another day -maybe.
BUT
You forgot why the polaroid was in the game?
Life is strange is a movie-game based on The Butterfly Effect where the main character uses a polaroid photo to travel into a dimension and nosebleed after every time who is somehow connected to a tumor in his brain
Life is strange uses many concepts similar to those found in Spec Ops The line
The menu has a side character who is called Joe.
There's an american flag who is upside down who keep changing when you progress through the game and Joe is found either there sitting or not on screen.
Choices for our hero seem to be important but as the story goes it is revealed that Max wished for these choices to be important. Similar to Walker in Spec ops; The line who has to face with the truth that his actions are not that important in the grand scheme.
Yes I forgot.
But...she also could use other developed / printed photos, there is no need for polaroid. At least I can't remember. Thanks.
And about cheap plastic guitars, well I don't care about the options for using amplifier with plastic crap. The truth is, no good successful pro (known) musician would use such plastic thing for concerts and recordings because sound quality is BAD and using amplifier for such thingy would be too inconvenient. There is a GOOD REASON that pros use good equipment! Because of the quality and because it's "easy" to use. So please stop advocate the use of cheap plastic toy guitars -that's silly! Or wait, you use them, right?
Another lengthy paragraph that essentially boils down to you saying "I don't know anything about art"
It doesn't matter if you think one medium is better than the other. Art is about technical proficiency, beauty, emotional power, or conceptual ideas. What medium the artist chooses to use is irrelevant. What is relevant is the final product.
"What is relevant is the final product." Yeah, and the final product of Polaroid is tiny image with crap quality!
PS (It seems to me you know nothing about photography -so that's why you instead talking about art all the time... But everything can be called art, you could paint picture with your own s hit and call it art and you might find some one buying it.)
I am talking about a really good tool for photographers, and Polaroid is NOT a good tool for photographers. All other cameras are way better tools. All pro photographers use other cameras as main tool! (And if you are really interested in photography you also use other camera, because you only learn more about photography if you use typical photographers equipment and tools, like differnet lenses, filters, films, RAWs, Developing!...
But Polaroid is just like the analog version of your smartphone.
Photography IS art. What we see Max doing in the game IS art. As I've explained so many times before what medium the artist uses to express their art is irrelevant. Yes, one might have bigger advantages than the other. But that does not mean one medium makes no sense to use. It's all up to the individual artist to decide how they want to express their art.
I know that Photography is art. I didn't say opposite! I make haha Art since many years, with cameras and paint, and few other things. You still dont get it. But what i am saying is that if you wanna become photographer you will not only use Polaroid as main camera, but you would try another camera as fast as you can. And, as far as I can remember, Max is not interested to be artist, but she wants to be "photographer". Am I wrong? As far as I can remember she talked alot about other photographers and photos and photo exhibitions. Photography is her passion. Not "just art". She did not talk much about painters (or musicans) right?! She did'nt talk about van Gogh or about writers -am I wrong? She is not at painters exhibition but at photographers exhibition. So again, if she wants to become photographer, using Polaroid all the time as main camera is just silly. Oh and please remember the poor crappy image quality!
PS
"What we see Max doing in the game IS art."
Well, I don't agree 100 %. Let me explain. If she only use photo camera, than the main term for her doing is not art but photography! It's called photography! If you take photos, they call you photographer -it's photography! Yes, photography is kind of art, a part of the big world of art, but again it's called Photography! So the main term of Max would always be "Photographer" NOT artist! Yeah sure YOU could call her "artist" to express your great feelings about her (and Chloe! ;) and about her pictures, but again, if you produce photos you are Photographer. If you call some one "Artist" he or she produce more than just photos. Like paintings, or poetry and writings or sculptures. That is the difference of using terms like "artist" and "photographer" I like to use. So there is a difference between "artist" and "photographer" and "Poet" if you will. But using term "photographer" is common if someone produce photos only! Wait, did Max paint something? And maybe time traveling is art too, I don't know. I don't like time travelling that much, it's so exhausting, I always feel so weak and empty after travel.
You're also forgetting that Max herself stated "i'm analog, not digital", and this too https://i.imgur.com/O15GYzC.png
Just in case if i didn't mentioned it before, it also has nothing do to with analog vs digital! I didn't say anything bad about analog, I also didn't praise profusely digital cameras. (But I did mention Lomo cameras, which are analog cameras btw.) Do you read my words? I don't think so. But if you wish, let me say something about difference of image quality between analog vs digital. If analog film is not big than digital image has better qualitiy, especially with bigger digital sensor -fact! And quality of 35 mm photo film is NOT better than modern digital camera sensors, when it comes to image quality! You need medium format cameras or even bigger films to reach image quality of modern digital SLR cameras! And movies filmed with analog Super 8 film has NOT the same image quality like modern digital video cameras, when it comes to clear colourfull crispy sharp images -fact! I started photography many years ago with old analog Nikon Single-lens reflex camera with 35 mm film, and I know the difference! But wait analog is so much romantic and charming, right?!
You know Vivian Maier, no? She was not rich, but she used few different analog cameras. And her photos are great, the scene itself and also the image quality is from "good enough" to "great". Max could use such cameras, or newer cameras same style.If she -Max- would be a real person I bet she would try to buy / use such cameras like Vivian Maier used. http://www.vivianmaier.com/about-vivian-maier/ I could name you many good analog cameras but haha I'm too lazy now. Find out yourself with internet and google. (I bet the only analog camera you know is Polaroid!) But when it comes to image quality of analog cameras, I would say that the image quality of Polaroid is the worst! Again, the worst! And also again, Polaroid is just a point-and-shoot-camera. No different lenses, no real settings /changes, no zoom, no considerable bokeh. No camera things you can play with. There is almost nothing but a button for "let's make another picture". No different aspect ratio, no differenet films you could use (or different colours / contrast seetings for digital cameras). No own photo developing! No different paper for print! Almost nothing!
But you still say ... what? What do you say?! I say that Polaroid is probably the most crappy camera with most crappy image quality on this planet. And if real Maxy would love to become real photographer and if she would be really interested in (world of) photography and what belong to photography she would immediately run to the next Flea market and would search for some old analog camera -a good one, at least better than Pola- or she would ask her teacher, he (or someone else) for sure could lend her one. It is weird that he don't lend her one! But can you say any good plausible reason for using Polaroid instead of any other analog camera?! if you wanna become real photographer... I told you so many reasons / arguments why Polaroid is hmm crap and hmm not good enough or just not enough for real photograpy / photographer. But you still say that -what do you say?- that... that... Polaroid is the best choice? Yes? Oh come on, don't be pig-headed silly.