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Real talk though: Why are you in the Life is Strange forums if you hated the game so much? Most people that don't like the game just pick an ending and move on with their lives.
Not only did she lose her father and her best friend in the span of a week, but Joyce also met David about a month later. She lost everything. Nothing mattered to her because her old self already died with William and Max's absence, and her best/only way to cope with that trauma was to just rebel. Chase good times, happiness, and memories no matter the cost. It didn't matter anymore.
She endured that for two years before meeting Rachel, who filled the best-friend void that Max had left empty. They were friends for three years and Chloe slowly started to be happier and come out of that pit...then Rachel went missing. She desperately wanted to get her back because she was the link back to one of the only sources of love and happiness she had left in her life. And finally, her endurance was rewarded by seeing Max again and rekindling with her best friend.
Deep down, she didn't really blame anyone. All that unresolved trauma and grief that stayed with her for five years manifested in bitterness and selfishness. The world already ♥♥♥♥♥♥ her over, (in her mind,) why should she bother being kind? Nothing matters. She just wants things to be alright again, and that didn't happen until Max came home to her.
That's the key. She never got over the loss of William, because her happiness and innocent 14-year-old self died with him. Joyce said it herself:
"You did the right thing. You moved forward with your life. I did after William passed on. Chloe...she chose to stay angry." except Joyce is wrong about that. She didn't choose to stay angry, she had no choice in the matter. The grief was unresolved and overwhelming and she didn't have any way to cope or come to terms with it. She became selfish because her grief and trauma and hurt became embedded after being unresolved, and it manifested itself into bitterness and anger at the rest of the world. The rest of her world - David, Joyce, Arcadia Bay, the Prescotts, everything.
And by the way, there are moments of her being pretty insensitive and selfish throughout the entire game, and moments where she does display some compassion and care. It builds up until finally, like I said earlier in this thread, seeing Max broken and in tears after Episode 5 was what Chloe needed to realize how her personality and life was affecting others - including the person she cared about most. That's when she let go of her selfishness on the inside and started realizing that nobody ever stopped caring about her. That ♥♥♥♥ happens, it wasn't her fault or William's.
Like at a bit into beginning, when she saved Max from Nathan and welcomed her back into her life, despite being hella pi$$ed at her for dropping off contact after Bill's death? Or my favourite - replay the beach scene in ep.4, make Frank angry, rewind, tell Chloe to throw the gun, tell Frank to lock the door, make him angry, see what happens. And there are more if you look into it.
And just how is everyone abandoning Chloe in one way or another, on top of her dad's, one of the most important persons to her, death, her fault? And with her being a teen, no less. Plus, Chloe said herself during discussion with Max after discovering about Rachel and Frank - she knows that her dad didn't really choose to abandon her, as well as her mom, etc. But she just can't help it, since no one is genuinely there for her, not the way she needs.
No, he really WAS abusive. He verbally attacked and poked Kate and Max for no real reason (maybe other girls too). Hell, he treated Chloe, his step-daughter, whom he is supposed to love, like his new recruit, constantly ordering her around, ignoring that she is a young adult person with her own mind, ignoring her privacy, even laying a hand on her for no damn reason. Only at the prospect of actually losing Chloe he realized what a d*ckhead he was. And unlike him, Chloe was willing to accept him even after all his f*ck-ups, only he didn't give her a reason to. Replay "Max-goes-to-SF" part and read Chloe's messages.
You've confused Chloe with Rachel there.
yeah, he let his paranoia get the best of him, but that didn't mean he didnt care for chloe or any of the other students at blackwell. as for hitting chloe, she's 19. if I had a kid who acted like chloe at at 19 years old you bet your ass I'd hit them too. anyone would. the constant disrespect, whining, rebelion, and refusal to move on in life is the biggest part of why chloe is a pretty bad person. David wanted to actually try to mend the relationship, but chloe wanted nothing to do with him. and on top of that, No one is there for chloe because she pushes everyone away. you can't tell someone to go and then be mad at them for leaving as the saying goes.
chloe accepting david in the SF part of the game isnt in the same timeline. she was somewhat grateful that he found out about rachel and took down jefferson, that's a completely different scenario that was undone. it's like the universe where william is alive, it has no real bearing on the rest of the game or the characters
dude, even in bts he tried bonding with her while working on his car, but of course she was antaonistic towards him. he tries to lecture her for a good reason, she argues with him. he wants her to be honest, she lies. this goes on for years. if anyone is abusive, its chloe.
dealing with a tragedy is not an excuse to become a bad person. especially since that happened almost 7 years before the events of the game.
More like 4 years of Chloe dealing with David's bullsh*t, of course she gets pi$$ed at him since all he does is pushing her around and invading her privacy. And him believing that his way is what's best for Chloe doesn't excuse him completely ignoring that she has her own mind.
So you'd hit your own daughter simply because you don't understand her and she naturally rebels against you constantly ordering her around like some animal? Speaks volumes, really. And no, if I had a daughter as awesome as Chloe, I wouldn't dream of laying a hand on her. And I bet many more people wouldn't as well. Chloe is not a bad person at all, au contraire. But since her entire world went upside down when she was just a teen and no one genuinely supported her, she had to build inner defences to deal with all this sh*t. And since everyone she ever loved dumped her one way or another, she basically expects people to not give a sh*t about her. And so when Max shows her genuine love and friendship, Chloe is hella grateful. And no, David did nothing to mend the relationship in actual timeline.
It shows what would've happened if smth happened earlier. In this timeline - what would've happened if David realized what a d*ckhead he was and made it up to Chloe. She isn't just somewhat grateful, David finally showed her that he cares about her and she accepted him.
Bonding? When? When he made her fistbump with him? When he laughed at her dead dad's toolbox? Or (my favourite) when he said: "We don't have to like each other, but you will respect me! You've enjoyed enough of a vacation from having a father figure!". Dunno about you, but in my books that attitude to one's daughter asks for one hell of a beating.
You keep saying that Chloe is a bad person, but you still haven't brought valid points of her being so (which she isn't).
i would go through every playthrough and make an entire video about this, but i dont have time. you all just love chloe because she's the sidekick with a tragic story. she just cried about her past and you all became blind to her faults.
I explained thoroughly how she has a redemption arc through the game and ultimately re-learns compassion and starts to consider the big picture, and I've also mentioned how she isn't really bad at heart - she's just hurt. Yet you don't seem to be acknowledging and understanding the points I've been making.
I'd like you to have a look at the save Chloe ending, and to examine Chloe's body language, face, and actions. Then come on back to the topic and tell me how you feel about her.
She has a lack of empathy for others and takes advantage of their trust especially her mom. Her mother has worked hard providing for Chloe, but Chloe disobeys and rarely communicates with her. It was only when her mother brings a boyfriends that now Chloe speaks to her and tries to break Joyce and David apart. Speaking of David, Chloe has an irrational hatred towards him. David cares about Joyce and Chloe and wants whats best for them. Chloe and David seem to have much more in common with each other with their grief, hobbies and personalities and David knows this. However, Chloe refuses to give him any chance which tests David's patience to her.
Both original and prequel stories portrays Chloe as both a hero and victim. The problem is her being a "hero" is her lacking good traits. She mostly insults her opposers, couldn't protect her friends, and runs away when the situation gets physical; she pretty much didn't accomplish anything herself. The problem with her being a "victim" is that most of her downfalls was of her doing and causes problems for other people. The story also wants to portray her a strong character, but she's too dependent on others like Max and Frank to accomplish her tasks. She's also too needy as she's needs to be with Max or Rachel for her to be stable. When it comes to dramatic choices in the prequel, Chloe will either act somewhat tolerable or a massive ♥♥♥♥♥ depending on the choice you make.
And lets not forget the first episode when she gets caught with pot in her room, she immediatly throws max under the bus
Let's start with this. Please do cite your source, as I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You've got to back up all your statements if you're going to debate, you can't just make claims without anything to back them up.
Again. Cite your source.
And why is this? Because of how hurt she was and how abandoned she felt - she didn't feel like Joyce was there for her. The thing is, she found that empathy and compassion again in the end of the game, and repented for all her bad personality traits. Let me cite this line directly from her that proves it:
"I'm so selfish! Not like my mom... Look what she had to give up and live through...and she did. She deserves so much more than to be killed by a storm in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ diner!"
She sees him as the replacement evil dad that was forced into her life. By Joyce, actually. Anyone would be reluctant and fiercely unwilling to accept a stepfather when they had such a strong attachment and connection to their real one.
I honestly agree with this part. But again, the reason Chloe doesn't give him any chance is because she sees him as the forced replacement dad that will never come anywhere close to William. He could even be considered a symbol of how screwed over her life is thanks to that fateful car accident.
Before the Storm spoilers: She went after Sera and helped uncover the truth for Rachel. That's a pretty big accomplishment, I'd say. In the main game, Max and Chloe worked together to uncover the mystery, and Chloe more than played a huge part in the investigation. She's the one that got the keys to Blackwell, she's the one that kept watch while Max searched Nathan's room, she's the one that talked with Frank and got his information, she's the one that provided distractions for Max to get into David's computer and files, and she's the one that helped uncover the Dark Room. Your claim of her not accomplishing anything is false - Max and Chloe worked together as a team, with Max doing a bit more of the heavier lifting because she was the one with the rewind power after all.
Next you're going to tell me it was somehow her fault that her dad got killed in a freak accident? That Rachel was kidnapped and murdered? That Max moved out of state? That Joyce met David and married him? Blaming Chloe's screwed up life on her is just irrational and ridiculous.
She's strong and fiercely independent on the inside. Do remember that she's not only the one that endured five years of pain, she's also the one that got through those five years of pain. She even once said in Before the Storm, "Never, ever, give up." Her strength in the heart is what got her through all of that and helped her reach the week when she re-united with Max again. Strength doesn't always mean an ability to always accomplish your tasks, but she still does manage to solve problems and get things done. The only reason she relies on Max is because she has the rewind ability, and Frank has the money.
I agree with your point but not your wording. I think that after having had so much care and love in her life, then having all of that stripped away in the course of a week when William passed and Max left, it caused Chloe to feel abandoned and perhaps unloved and alone. That emotional connection is what she lost that day , (she didn't feel much love for Joyce,) and that's why she hangs on to Rachel and Max. I think the best word to describe it is clingy. She lost those precious emotional connections, and when she found them again in Rachel and Max, she was so happy and emotionally replenished and healing to have that love back in her life, that she became a little clingy because on the inside she had endured the pain of not having it for years - the proof is how desperate she was to find Rachel after she went missing.
Also, since Max is one of the people she lost in 2008, the clinginess is much stronger than with Rachel. Max represents something from her old, happy, and innocent life, and that's why Chloe loves being together with Max after all that time and pain.
Could you elaborate on this? I don't remember anything like this happening. But then again, I chose to have Max stay hidden.