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"Let's start with this. Please do cite your source, as I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You've got to back up all your statements if you're going to debate, you can't just make claims without anything to back them up."
she regularly went through david's ♥♥♥♥. 'nuff said. she insults frank for being a shady drug dealer while she is a drug user herself. as well as a thief.
"And why is this? Because of how hurt she was and how abandoned she felt - she didn't feel like Joyce was there for her. The thing is, she found that empathy and compassion again in the end of the game, and repented for all her bad personality traits. Let me cite this line directly from her that proves it:
"I'm so selfish! Not like my mom... Look what she had to give up and live through...and she did. She deserves so much more than to be killed by a storm in a ♥♥♥♥ING diner!" "
and when max does nothing and lets the town die, chloe also does nothing. She doesnt continue to convince max or throw herself off the cliff to make max rewind time. so she's still being selfish. the selfless option would be to refuse max's choice to keep her alive at the cost of the town.
" In the main game, Max and Chloe worked together to uncover the mystery, and Chloe more than played a huge part in the investigation. She's the one that got the keys to Blackwell, she's the one that kept watch while Max searched Nathan's room, she's the one that talked with Frank and got his information, she's the one that provided distractions for Max to get into David's computer and files, and she's the one that helped uncover the Dark Room. Your claim of her not accomplishing anything is false - Max and Chloe worked together as a team, with Max doing a bit more of the heavier lifting because she was the one with the rewind power after all"
She got the keys because david is literally living in the same house as her, big whoop, keeping watch isn't doing anything, it's standing around with your eyes open, she couldn't get the information from frank without max holding her hand the whole way, and as I recall, finding the darkroom was almost 100% max. what did chloe do other than tag along as max did everything else? you could replace chloe with any other character and everything would have happened the same in most of those scenes. the diner with frank, the barn, and the investigation board in chloe's room. she did next to nothing in all of those.
"Next you're going to tell me it was somehow her fault that her dad got killed in a freak accident? That Rachel was kidnapped and murdered? That Max moved out of state? That Joyce met David and married him? Blaming Chloe's screwed up life on her is just irrational and ridiculous."
it's almost painful to see you f*ck up simple reading comprehension. one of chloe's big issues is that she owes frank 5000 bucks. Who's fault is that? Who was it that always started the antagonistic encounters between David and Chloe? Who flunked chloe out of school? who's fault is it that chloe was spending time with shady people on a regular basis?
Oh, I know! Its Chloe. chloe didnt initially f*ck up her life, but she's making things worse on her own accord.
"Could you elaborate on this? I don't remember anything like this happening. But then again, I chose to have Max stay hidden."
If you fail to hide in time, David finds the pot and asks chloe. Her immediate response is to say "That's not mine, It belongs to Max"
real selfless, huh?
she tries to justify it by saying Max would get in less trouble, but how would she know that? David could have literally decided to turn her in to the police or tell the school about the incident.
Forget that, Chloe is everything
@all: You will not convince them, we all know they are wrong on purpose so just move on.
It wouldn't have been selfless, it would've been a martyr and also disrespectful to Max. Chloe already made a hella huge selfless act by offering to let her die to try to remove tornado. Would've you even considered such a thing, throwing your life away for a town you pretty much hate? Judging by your attitude and lack of empathy, I highly doubt that.
Chloe kept the investigation going. Without her and Max's synergy it wouldn't have been even quarter as productive. And Max didn't hold her with Frank at all, au contraire, if Max messed it up, Chloe saved the day. Did you replay that beach part like I told you? If not, do that.
You know it wrong then. David is the one who starts the antagonistic encounters, Wells is the one who flunked Chloe. About loan from Frank - Chloe needed money to fix her truck, since her step-d0uche was obviously too busy harassing innocent girls and going through Chloe's stuff searching for smth incriminating to help her. Shady people on a regular basis? Now you're making it up.
Well because if you fail to hide in time, you let Chloe down, since she asked you to hide because David would give her hell for Max being in her room (yeah, inviting friends home is reaaaally bad, another insight into how "good" David is). And she knows that David is too much of a coward to actually do smth like that.
Yeah, you're right on that one, you would've became smth much worse than that. Also it's not the actual description of Chloe.
Yeah, seems so, he just keeps making toxic spits about how "Chloe is baaaad" without looking at actual picture.
Except it wasn't up to her, it was up to Max. Max was the one pulling the metaphorical trigger - the selfless act was to accept the possibility of her fate in order to save the town. She knew it had to be done, if you listen to her dialogue at that point. She knew it was necessary, it was right, and she was ready to do it. The reason she didn't do it herself is because it was Max's decision. But the fact that she was ready to lay down her life for Arcadia Bay, after hating it for so long and joking about destroying it in the first act, that shows how selfless and compassionate she became in the final episode of the game.
And on top of that, she also knew how much Max cared about her, which is why she didn't force the decision one way or the other. She probably wanted to stay alive, deep down, (who wouldn't,) and also knew that it would absolutely destroy Max if she were to go. But at the same time, she also knew that her sacrifice was necessary to fix Chaos Theory and stop the storm from obliterating Arcadia Bay. She was selflessly ready to sacrifice herself, but she also knew that it would devastate Max in the process. Besides, like I said - it was up to Max, not her.
I also want to mention how stupid it would be for her to leap off the cliff. The ending of Episode 4 proves that the storm isn't caused by Chloe being alive in general, it's caused by her not being gone by the bathroom scene in the beginning of the game. It would be a complete waste to do thatm and there's actually every reason to think Max would never let that happen - she'd instantly rewind her back to the top and stop her.
And David didn't go through her stuff? I'm soft on David, I try to defend him regularly and I don't think he deserves all the hate he gets, but don't try to make him look like the good guy here. He's the one who's always trying to control Chloe. In BtS, he demands Chloe empty out her pockets, most of the times for no reason, he goes through her room (depending on previous choices) and, while not an invasion of privacy, he proceeds to lecture Chloe about a spark plug after she clearly says she knows what it does, which clearly demonstrates his lack of trust in her. In LiS, he installs surveillance cameras in their house. Again, I don't completely blame David for his overall behaviour, as he has good intentions, but he clearly crossed the line with Chloe.
as for the selfless vs selfish thing, actions speak louder than words, and like I said, if chloe truly wanted max to choose the bay over herself she would have jumped after max tore the photo, forcing her to sacrifice chloe or both. that's what good writing is. chloe making a heartfelt speech and then completely throwing that out the window is not selfless. not by a long shot
The storm won't be stopped if Chloe's gone at any point after the bathroom scene on Monday. You keep saying that she should just walk off the cliff to stop the storm, but she literally can't. That would be a completely pointless and a waste - not to mention how it would affect Max.
And I want to reiterate, again, that the decision is up to Max, and Chloe's selflessness lies with the fact that she's ready to lay down her life if Max/the player wants to do the morally correct thing. Max is the one that has the rewind power, therefore she is the only one that can pull the metaphorical trigger on the storm or Chloe - and if Max cares about her enough to save her in the end, nothing Chloe can do will save Arcadia Bay if Max isn't willing. One more important thing to mention is this: when saving Chloe is chosen, Max immediately tears the photograph in half, thereby eliminating any possibility of stopping the storm. After that point, the town is done. Not even Max can stop the storm anymore because she made her decision to save Chloe.
If Chloe was indeed still selfish, she'd be begging Max to destroy Arcadia Bay. Just like the Episode 1 line: "I'd like to drop a bomb on Arcadia Bay and turn it to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ glass..." She'd want Max to save her and let loose retribution and vengeance on the city that destroyed her life (and threatened to do it literally,) without a second thought. But the fact that she was thinking of Joyce, David, and all the others, and telling Max that she was ready to do what was necessary to stop the storm, that's where her true selflessness lies.
thinking of joyce and david doesnt mean ♥♥♥♥ dude, its like the whole thoughts and prayers thing dude, if you don't do anything to actually help the situation, your thought and intentions dont mean ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. offering to sacrifice yourself for hundreds of innocent people means nothing if you don't actually follow through.
so in summary, If chloe had really wanted Max to choose the town over her own life, she would have refused to give max a choice by simply removing herself from the equation.
If I said I would sacrifice my life for you, and then when the time came and I did nothing, what would that make me?
But once again, it wasn't up to her. There's nothing she can do to actually pull the metaphorical trigger on herself - it's all Max. And if Max destroys Arcadia Bay irreversably by tearing the photo, there's nothing Chloe can do to change that.