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Question for those who are BAY over BAE...
What positives do you think that Max takes away from the BAY ending?

I see that its the logical, non-feeling choice, but I want to know what benefits you think Max gets...or how do you justify what Max has to deal with in that ending...the loss of her soulmate, dealing with far more grief than anyone around her can imagine?

As someone who find very little logic in the BAY ending, I just want to know what, if any. positives you get from the BAY ending
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jeckenn:
The thing is though I didn't see it as sacrificing anyone or anything, instead I choose to see it as saving them not sacrificing them. So when I look at it with that in mind I am not sacrificing anything instead I am saving the person(s) I love, the person(s) that are important to me.
Sorry if I sound too harsh, but wouldn't it be sort of an euphemism, when Max's decision clearly results in loss of life, or lives either way?

I feel it like to be such a situation when there are two people seriously ill from being poisoned with certain fatal venom and you only have one vial of antidote.

While it makes sense to argue that it would be unfair to blame you for not being able to save both of them, it doesn't really absolve you from the moral responsibility to choose which person to save and which to sacrifice with the best of your ability.

If one claims one doesn't need to 'sacrifice' anyone simply because one's giving the vial to one person is an act of 'saving', I have to say it's simply an euphemism since whatever it is called doesn't really change the fact that the other person needs to die because of the choice.

The thing is though Max never begged anyone for her time powers, all of a sudden she just found out she had them. Then she saw a girl being killed by a KNOWN bully at the school and she saved her, that is something almost anyone I know WOULD do without question. At the time she saved Chloe she had no idea who that girl was and it was not until later when Chloe roared up in her truck in the parking lot that she realized she had saved her long lost BFF.

Why is it that the fate of Arcadia Bay rests on the shoulders of an 18 year old girl? Who says Max has to save everyone? Apparetnly there are plenty of underground bunkers in the town so there is plenty of ways that people can save themselves, it should not be the responsibilty of an 18 year old girl because she didn't ask for any of this.

I just don't see it as Max's responsibility to save Arcadia Bay, she has her own life to live and she is entitled to live it by her own rules as long as those rules don't break any laws, and as far as I know there is no law saying you MUST save your hometown should a tornado roll in to destroy it.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jeckenn:
Why is it that the fate of Arcadia Bay rests on the shoulders of an 18 year old girl? Who says Max has to save everyone? Apparetnly there are plenty of underground bunkers in the town so there is plenty of ways that people can save themselves, it should not be the responsibilty of an 18 year old girl because she didn't ask for any of this.

I just don't see it as Max's responsibility to save Arcadia Bay, she has her own life to live and she is entitled to live it by her own rules as long as those rules don't break any laws, and as far as I know there is no law saying you MUST save your hometown should a tornado roll in to destroy it.
I suppose it's just the premise of the whole story which we cannot change. The fact that the storm is linked to Max's time rewinding power, and that she can either save the town or Chloe but not both at the same time is all established by the dialogue between the two protagonists just before the final choice (i.e. "I caused all this", and etc.).

On the other hand, the actual reason why Max was given such a power wasn't so clearly given. But within that premise, I guess the best interpretation could be that there's certain supernatural power which wanted to do Rachel some justice by guiding Max to find her body and the killer, and also acknowledging Chloe's fate that cannot be changed, granting Max a favor by allowing her to be reunited with Chloe and spent with her during the last week of her remaining life.

I think both the spritual doe and the butterfly at the junkyard and the funeral respectively supports this theory, since it means Rachel's and Chloe's sprit somehow remains and approves Max's actions when she finally found Rachel's body and fulfilled her part in giving Chloe a 'parting gift' (in Chloe' s own words).

Max smiles at the butterfly since she realizes this, understanding that her memory with Chloe in her last days of her life will be mutually cherished even after her body is perished.

As to the 'legal' responsibility, yes Max could just skip the town instead and she won't be pursued by the police or made to stand at the court. But that wouldn't be as coherent or effective story as what we have now, unless we are really obstinate to see it simply as a romance story between the two girls and nothing else.

This game has never been about legal duties but moral responsibilities. If it was all legal side of the things that mattered, why Max should even care if Kate jumps at the roof or not, when her parents won't likely to sue Max for bullying?

She only ran to the roof because she cared for Kate and felt it her moral responsibility to save her since she was the only one who has the power to do so.

It's the same with the final choice. She had to save the town (if you choose so, that is) because she cared for people like Joyce, and also realized it is only her that can do it.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von fender:
I think both the spritual doe and the butterfly at the junkyard and the funeral respectively supports this theory, since it means Rachel's and Chloe's sprit somehow remains and approves Max's actions when she finally found Rachel's body and fulfilled her part in giving Chloe a 'parting gift' (in Chloe' s own words).

On the other hand, in the Bae ending there are actual does on the road, and I think it can symbolize Rachel's spirit approving of Max's salvation of Chloe. It is no longer a spirit, it moves on. Oh, how many theories there are, like Rachel being the storm avenging Arcadia Bay, and I think this theory is no worse than others.
Sorry but I just don't see using the time powers AGAIN to go back and watch Chloe die as being the right thing to do. Instead the right thing for ME to do is to vow to STOP using the time powers and in fact NEVER use them again for any reason and that means Chloe lives and so does anyone else that can manage to survive in the town.
just played yesterday... i saved the bay for many reasons:

1. STORYTELLING: so it makes sense that Max took the butterfly photo and Chole has it in the final scene
2. HISTORY AS A TEACHER: in episode 4 we all see what happens if u try to change the past, even worst things can happen and i like to think that Max too has learned the lesson in a fashoinly charatcher developement way
3. THE STORM: it is stated clearly that the storm and the ecplypse only happen because of Max attempt to change the course of history, like a message from nature/universe/God to NOT mess with natural/cosmic/divine order
4. SELFLESSNESS: saving the loved one and letting so many people die just feels wrong and selfish, and Chloe reasized it very well
5. FATE: every choice we make in life really matter and even if they impact the outcome of what happens we dont have the control over our destiny and fate because it is beyond our human essence
6. REWIND POWER: i assume Max got that gift only untill the final decision, she says many times "i dont know how long this will last", and that power served the purpose of bringing both nathan and jefferson to justice, and also it helps Max becoming a responsable and well-aware adult because a big part of being adult is learning how to deal with death, without causing it possibly.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von AMBERPRICE:
The storm would happen anyway because max used time travel again to kill chloe.
I already wrote why I find that particular theory to be highly unlikely in the thread I linked. Of course, anyone is free to interpret it in any way they like, so I can't really 'prove' that they were wrong.

Honestly though, if I were to indulge myself in imagining the best possible outcome regardless of what the writers might have intended with their story, I'd rather argue that Max must have many other photographs than the one she tore apart, considering her attachment to the camera.

So, she will regret her decision after the funeral and decide to try it again. And this time, she will jump into some arbitrary past and simply call Chloe over the phone and warn her not to meet Nathan.

Then she can just make another call to the police or newspaper, warning them about the storm and persuade them to evacuate people to the lighthouse when it happens.

Of course, they will think her to be mad at first. But with her rewinding power, it'd be easy to prove she can indeed 'predict' the future, like "imagine any number between 1 to 100", and so on.

Maybe the storm is just a one time thing, or maybe not. But it does not matter as long as Max's taking sufficient number of photos so she can revive Chloe as many times as she likes.

So, nobody dies, Max and Chloe will live happily ever after. The grand happy ending for all.

I don't think anyone would believe Max can manipulate time even if she tried to prove it as you suggested. I think most people would still believe she was just lucky to guess the right number....
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Is noone thinking about the dead animals?
Ursprünglich geschrieben von mysticfall:
I chose the 'Bay' ending and believe it to be the one that the writers have intended. I already wrote my thoughts on the issue in another thread, so you might want to read it in case you are interested:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/319630/discussions/0/1621724915819620598/

From an ethical standpoint, I simply can't see how I can justify sacrificing so many lives to save a single person whom I love.

I'm not a big fan of applying utilitarian logic when it comes to dealing with human lives. But that is when the numbers conflict with some other moral principle, not when it does with such selfish motives like personal attachment to a specific person.

Undoubtedly, among the many casualties that my choice would incur can be found another 'Chloe' or 'Kate' to some other people. And many children must be denied their future by the choice as well.

I simply can't think that the fact I don't know their individual faces would make it any more morally acceptable, trading their lives to save just one person I like.

On a side note, I was surprised to see how many others have chosen the 'Bae' ending and also believe that it's the most logical one.

When I first finished the game, I was like "how can anyone choose otherwise?", so I simply assumed they were overcome with emotions and made such a choice despite of their best judgement, until I came here to read their posts.

I'm not trying to criticize those people or claim their choice was wrong, as they must have their own reasons with which I might or might not agree.

But it's surely interesting to see how much differently people think and feel from each other.
you havent ever feel lost your loved one?or what?i know so many people live is more important then just one people lives,but if its a live that give me a "Happiness" more than anything "5 years ago".......i think "if i crazy,maybe i'l might just go all the way",so we have saved chloe for 8-9 times,its what the games and "Max" want.....so i dont think you could say that saving "1 Live" isnt as good as saving "Many Lives".....i mean the ending doesnt matter,because the ending are the choice that make you go to "another alternative timeline"
it doesnt make you or the other max that choose another choice is disappear,you just gonna seeing the max that you choose that's all,but im gonna choose the "sacrifice arcadia bay" one
it'll make Max Happier then ever...
Ursprünglich geschrieben von You:
Is noone thinking about the dead animals?
ups...about that,i want to ask too....did you guys let the blue bird on chloe house out (the bird will died...i think :V) OR did you guys choose to let the bird die in the house?
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von mysticfall:
I already wrote why I find that particular theory to be highly unlikely in the thread I linked. Of course, anyone is free to interpret it in any way they like, so I can't really 'prove' that they were wrong.

Honestly though, if I were to indulge myself in imagining the best possible outcome regardless of what the writers might have intended with their story, I'd rather argue that Max must have many other photographs than the one she tore apart, considering her attachment to the camera.

So, she will regret her decision after the funeral and decide to try it again. And this time, she will jump into some arbitrary past and simply call Chloe over the phone and warn her not to meet Nathan.

Then she can just make another call to the police or newspaper, warning them about the storm and persuade them to evacuate people to the lighthouse when it happens.

Of course, they will think her to be mad at first. But with her rewinding power, it'd be easy to prove she can indeed 'predict' the future, like "imagine any number between 1 to 100", and so on.

Maybe the storm is just a one time thing, or maybe not. But it does not matter as long as Max's taking sufficient number of photos so she can revive Chloe as many times as she likes.

So, nobody dies, Max and Chloe will live happily ever after. The grand happy ending for all.

I don't think anyone would believe Max can manipulate time even if she tried to prove it as you suggested. I think most people would still believe she was just lucky to guess the right number....
even some "Teleporting" can make such a different reaction....max never went to someone back or even to someone room door,but "Bam" max there...or just predict what will the animal around her gonna do next,its hard to believe its just lucky because animal "hard" to predict...if its not enough do this 2 trick 3-4 times maybe someone will believe...(like warren i mean)you forget him,i know he trust max because her feeling but can you Blame...some "ScienceGuy"connects science with something that cannot be real...
Mrs.Gant:"Science Can Explain Everything, if we can't that mean we doesn't know that much yet"....
Ursprünglich geschrieben von abatecruento3:
just played yesterday... i saved the bay for many reasons:

1. STORYTELLING: so it makes sense that Max took the butterfly photo and Chole has it in the final scene
2. HISTORY AS A TEACHER: in episode 4 we all see what happens if u try to change the past, even worst things can happen and i like to think that Max too has learned the lesson in a fashoinly charatcher developement way
3. THE STORM: it is stated clearly that the storm and the ecplypse only happen because of Max attempt to change the course of history, like a message from nature/universe/God to NOT mess with natural/cosmic/divine order
4. SELFLESSNESS: saving the loved one and letting so many people die just feels wrong and selfish, and Chloe reasized it very well
5. FATE: every choice we make in life really matter and even if they impact the outcome of what happens we dont have the control over our destiny and fate because it is beyond our human essence
6. REWIND POWER: i assume Max got that gift only untill the final decision, she says many times "i dont know how long this will last", and that power served the purpose of bringing both nathan and jefferson to justice, and also it helps Max becoming a responsable and well-aware adult because a big part of being adult is learning how to deal with death, without causing it possibly.
so you mean:
1.Real World:Where max didn't use her power even once
2.Butterfly Effect:Even a small thing can change a bigger thing
3.Butterfly "Effect":Because max use her power then somehow storm happened
4.Max Fault:Being Selfish
5.Fate:Exactly what you write :v
6.What i think about the choice(i mean why i would choose this):Exaclty what you write (o-o)
I like this guys before i know there something quite the opposite:
1.Storytelling:"it means too,max get the power because chloe animal spirit"
2&3.Butterfly Effect(this the opposite of 2 and 3):"Its not "Worst" Because "For every actions there always reactions"so you can't blame the butterfly effect,i mean like i said before if your number 1 reason is true then why max safe chloe in the first place,why didnt her let chloe die and then he could be the ending you want.....its have something to do with history.
4&6.Selfishness:"Adult Is more selfish from a kid" that is true...
5&6.Get The Power:"You get the power not ask for it" like chloe says it is max has gotten the power not ask for it maybe god just give her power because he "Can"Chloe:"you're the only one who can"....you get it?btw i know why max got the power so please dont spoiler for some new player looking on this :V
ups....before you guys calling me "Real Life Hater"......i'm not that's all..really
i know its real life/real destiny for our Main character....but come on,like i said if you go to the time where max in the bathroom(Sacrifice chloe) then you'll be seeing it,but it doesn't mean the other max (The one you abandoned) didn't have a nice live with her friend....ups sorry best friend
and this is the last thing i really hoped in-game(even i know it wouldn't happen) just please make more endings...."Time" isn't that simple you know....its like you when you not you.......and if you do what max do (Back and forth with the time jump) it'll make you have 4 or more "Max" it'll make the "Max" on the time you just jumped,will be on the "Max" that you just jumped From...if you know what i mean :V
I really like the theme and the story (if chloe live on the ending) because the relationship like
Max And Chloe Had....i never had that even when i 18 years old
it sad...but.....i dont know....if just i could rewind time :V
Yagi 1. Juli 2020 um 10:31 
I think it's about "preventing" the tornado or letting it happen. Max saw a vision into the future in the first episode. I interpreted that, this event is reality and if Max doesn't do anything with her power, it is going to happen. In the end, I chose to let the tornado happen because I thought it would do minimum damage to space-time continium. Sacrificing Chloe may save Arcadia Bay but maybe it will cause more damage later on? :arcadiabay:
It's was so damn hard to sacrifice Chloe after all the things. Also, after playing Before the Storm, I don't regret my decision. :( :LIS_butterfly:
3477 1. Juli 2020 um 11:26 
Just reading the journal and listening to the dialogue (and also agreeing with Yazoalp that this might set things up for even worse later on) I can't see "Bay" as a choice so much as a desperate moment of weakness, but:

1. Joyce
2. Blackwell scholarship
EDIT: 3. it means the single jumpscare in the game will have never happened

The "growing up" people talk about is indistinguishable from resigning to being crushed by the weight of the world and letting everything being meaningless: you will serve others with no reward, break all the promises of your heart for the sake of people who would never know or care, suffer meaninglessly, and be forgotten. With respect, some of Arcadia Bay's children might be dodging a bullet dying in the storm if this is what growing up means (they only have to deal with 2 out of 4 of these). Bay ending isn't a bildungsroman so much as an American horror take on a Greek tragedy.

The best that can reasonably come out of this is she realizes some performative heterosexuality with Warren isn't as bad as it could have been, settles for him, finishes her time at Blackwell, finds a "real job" doing data entry for Pan Estates or whatever (because the way she'd have to numb herself would leave little if any room for the artistic expression that would launch a major career) and lives out a mediocre life where she completely forgets Chloe ever existed.

If she does not forget, though, absent a miracle* I just can't read the story and imagine it ending with anything other than Max committing suicide or picking up that photo and saving Chloe again.


*I am not ruling this out, heck I even have some ideas for it, it's just not hinted at anywhere in the game
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ActionBob 19. März 2021 um 10:49 
Spoilers:
So it has been mentioned already that the spirit animals are likely Butterfly=Chloe Doe=Max and Squirrel=Samuel. I'm not sure what the fourth would be since someone mentioned "3 or 4" of them knowing about their spirit animals, such as if the principals is a hawk, Katie's is a Bunny, frank's is a dog, or the popular idea that the Blue Jay is Rachel Amber's, this is largely irreverent, the main characters and the person who brought up spirit animals are all "in the know"

SO!
If you think on it EVERY time that the spirit animal is shown in game
EVERY SINGLE TIME: They are helping guide max toward rescuing Chloe,
-The butterfly- Leads to the picture that symbolizes the use of Max's power and every time you make a decision with impact it is shown in the corner over her rewind ability! Max draws it once during her attempt to change Chloe's fathers life but reverts that choice later, Max fired her power deliberately for the first time to save Chloe that isn't dispute so far as the narrative is concerned. and Max tells Chloe that she would not have discovered her power if not for her, she believes that Chloe eg (why her spirit animal symbolizes the power) is responsible for igniting her power and she says she centered and confident with it when Chloe is near.
-The Doe- each time the doe is shown it is guiding you toward information or out of a maze toward saving Chloe and defeating Mr. Jefferson.
-The Blue Jay- is constantly in your orbit except in the school and in the junk yard, and you take a load of pictures of it, and it is always landing in significant places: near Chloe's hair dye, near the garage door where the files are kept, on the fire mantle where the snow doe sets or where you burn the picture later, on the fence near the drawing board with a significant image of Chloe and Max together forever and you use it later as an evidence board, the fence near the entrance of the barn. One might say that it was sort of guiding Max and it knew Max would open the window.

others like the bronze hawk was next to the computer that contained all the info you needed to move forward and principal wells wanted nothing more than the drama in the school to be over and things to settle down and the squirrels being near messages written on surfaces

The game makes a SIGNIFICANT EFFORT to point out native american mythology and the significance of spirit animals
if you look you will find that it matches up, such as the deer spirit often symbolizing Gentleness, the Ability to move through life and obstacles with grace, innocence, Being sensitive and intuitive, Vigilance, ability to change directions quickly, Magical ability to regenerate, being in touch with life’s mysteries and others, ALL fitting Max's power and personality.

BECAUSE of these factors It is my conclusion that the story is supposed to go off to the point that you save Chloe and let Arcadia Bay burn, however you actually save almost everyone you know from the story and they leave the Bay area except the people in the Two Wales Diner, but you can see in the final cut scene that the Diner was intact after the storm so everyone you care about made it out. The only people you know actually died in the town are the few blanketed bodies in town after the storm... and someone had to cover those bodies.

No matter what you did, people where gonna die that week, you just have to decide who.
TL;DR I thinks sacrifice Arcadia Bay is the "canon" ending because reasons
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The ending however!

When you choose to "Sacrifice Arcadia Bay" so many people say that "Everyone Dies" however you literally just walked through the entire town rescuing everyone you care about, YES even her mother +frank+pompidou+warren+"old guy"(seriously that's his name) They where all in the Two Whales Diner and during the final drive through scene you see the diner and its friking FINE it just had broken windows, there is only ONE body in the whole drive through video and it is covered by a blanket to give them some dignity, this must have been done by someone who survived... also the storm is gone and the main characters are dry so this scene MUST have taken place at least hours and possibly a day later. They have plenty of time to communicate with the rest of their family and friends to meet in whatever humanitarian relief shelter they are staying at, which explains their driving off “into the sunset” seriously people think that everyone is staying in Arcadia Bay while the restoration is underway. Also Chloe's mother mortgaged her house so its ensured by the bank and therefore she is fine financially whether David stays or not and seriously he should stay he's a pretty good guy if your not a candy ass nambie pambi butter soft b!7<h and know how to live with a military man.
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