Spirit Animals

[Raphael]

okay, after i see the before the storm pre-release gameplay . here is the spirit animals from LiS and LiS : before the storm

Max = squirrel
Chloe = butterfly
Rachel = doe
William = raven
Kate = bunny
Victoria = cat ? (maybe)
Nathan = whale

IMO

[_the powDer of jinx_]

Wasn't William that bluejay inside Chloe's house?

[Raphael]

raven represents death. in that gameplay , raven always showing before showing william's death. and that's my theory IMO

[BEN]

Sorry but that's wrong.

Max: DOE
Rachel : Blue Jay
Victoria: Bee
William: Whale (like JOYCE her wife, and Nathan) in my opinion
Samuel: Squirrel
Jefferson: Owl
Franck: Dog

I can explain in another post if you want. But basically, this is it.

[melgamel33]

Originally posted by KIDINI:

Sorry but that's wrong.

Max: DOE
Rachel : Blue Jay
Victoria: Bee
William: Whale (like JOYCE her wife, and Nathan) in my opinion
Samuel: Squirrel
Jefferson: Owl
Franck: Dog

I can explain in another post if you want. But basically, this is it.

It would make sense for William to be the raven since he is already dead in the games time period, and he is watching over chloe as she goes through hardships through the game

[BEN]

Originally posted by melgamel33:

Originally posted by KIDINI:

Sorry but that's wrong.

Max: DOE
Rachel : Blue Jay
Victoria: Bee
William: Whale (like JOYCE her wife, and Nathan) in my opinion
Samuel: Squirrel
Jefferson: Owl
Franck: Dog

I can explain in another post if you want. But basically, this is it.

It would make sense for William to be the raven since he is already dead in the games time period, and he is watching over chloe as she goes through hardships through the game

I understand. But the whales on the beach rang a bell.
Joyce's spirit animal is the whale. She's been working at the Two Whales Diner for years. Hardworking and loving mother, her family is the most important thing for her. William is kind of the same in a more entertaining way. They are wide, family and communicative parents, traits of the whale symbolism.
There are 3 dead whales on the beach after she saved William. Three like in Chloe's family. At this point of the story, all the family is alive and also about to die, or already did. William died but you saved him. Rachel too. In this alternate reality, rachel is close to death. You can't save her. You can chose to help her or not, and if you don't she be killed by the storm, like her mother. And i think that (didn't check but...just an idea) she can't prevent the storm like in the end because she never saw chloe in the toilet, so no butterfly, so no butterfly pic.Therefore everyone is doomed in the alternate reality. So the Price famlily would die together, the three of them. Like the whales.

[Insaya]

Originally posted by KIDINI:

Sorry but that's wrong.

Max: DOE
Rachel : Blue Jay
Victoria: Bee
William: Whale (like JOYCE her wife, and Nathan) in my opinion
Samuel: Squirrel
Jefferson: Owl
Franck: Dog

I can explain in another post if you want. But basically, this is it.

I think you are right, with a few exceptions.
Williams spirit animal is the Deer/Buck. He shares Max traits (f. e. gentleness, unconditional love, kindness, sometimes beeing childlike). Other symbols are Williams snowglobe, the picture of David with a buck he had hunted down, as a symbol that Joyce and Chloe are now his family, the buck trophy in Davids garage with the same meaning.
At Joyce you are right in my opinion, her spirit animal is the whale.
Nathan.... i dont see any hint, besides the whale singing music in his room, that his spirit animal is the whale, his character does not fit the whale. But it could be possible that Nathans character is currupted from Mr. Jefferson and his father.
Rachel and Chloe are tough ones too. Most people believe Rachels spirit animal is the blue jay and Chloes is the butterfly. But im not sure. The butterfly could only be a symbol for the changing of lifecycles, rebirth, the soul or the butterfly effect and not Chloes spirit animal. Rachel and the blue jay.....lets see what "Before the Storm" shows us about her. Some traits and symbolism fit, but some not. From my point of view i know nothing for sure about her after season 1.

As additions:
Kate: Rabbit
Principal Wells: Hawk
David: Im not sure
Warren: Who cares ;D No for real, i never thought about his spirit animal.Same about the rest of the cast.

[BEN]

Originally posted by Insaya:

I think you are right, with a few exceptions.
Williams spirit animal is the Deer/Buck. He shares Max traits (f. e. gentleness, unconditional love, kindness, sometimes beeing childlike). Other symbols are Williams snowglobe, the picture of David with a buck he had hunted down, as a symbol that Joyce and Chloe are now his family, the buck trophy in Davids garage with the same meaning.
At Joyce you are right in my opinion, her spirit animal is the whale.
Nathan.... i dont see any hint, besides the whale singing music in his room, that his spirit animal is the whale, his character does not fit the whale. But it could be possible that Nathans character is currupted from Mr. Jefferson and his father.
Rachel and Chloe are tough ones too. Most people believe Rachels spirit animal is the blue jay and Chloes is the butterfly. But im not sure. The butterfly could only be a symbol for the changing of lifecycles, rebirth, the soul or the butterfly effect and not Chloes spirit animal. Rachel and the blue jay.....lets see what "Before the Storm" shows us about her. Some traits and symbolism fit, but some not. From my point of view i know nothing for sure about her after season 1.

As additions:
Kate: Rabbit
Principal Wells: Hawk
David: Im not sure
Warren: Who cares ;D No for real, i never thought about his spirit animal.Same about the rest of the cast.

I think that for William it's still up to interpretation. That's why i said in my opinion.
As for Chloe, the simpler reason why she has the butterfly is her butterfly tatoo. She also went into a lot of changes in her life (metamorphosis symbol) and different cycles in her life, she is reborn when she rebond with Max, as she told her at the end she had the best time of her life with her, she's plauful. Plus she notices the blue butterfly in the bathroom scene, and the butterfly comes on her casket when you sacrifice her at the end. Also, there is a drawing of a butterfly with Chloe's head in the alternate timeline. Yeah there is a big connection with the blue jay but the butterfly is stronger.

For Rachel, the display clue is her blue feather earring.Bluebirds are gentle and unaggressive. Like rachel is depicted. The imagery of the bird being constantly trapped trying to be free looks like Rachel spirit wanting to be found and set free. Their kindness is replace with strentgh fight readiness when threatened, and it is told rachel was kind but did put up a fight when kidnapped. She was apparently very smart and curious, all traits of the jay symbolism. But i think that for her, we will see more with LIS:BTS.

Ithink David is a wolf, but i didn't see or looked for any related animal in the game. But he is instinctive, swift and sharp, can be aggressive and trust no one and also be protective. Reaaaaally close to the wolf symbolism.

And warren is the Cat.

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by KIDINI:

As for Chloe, the simpler reason why she has the butterfly is her butterfly tatoo. She also went into a lot of changes in her life (metamorphosis symbol) and different cycles in her life, she is reborn when she rebond with Max, as she told her at the end she had the best time of her life with her, she's plauful. Plus she notices the blue butterfly in the bathroom scene, and the butterfly comes on her casket when you sacrifice her at the end. Also, there is a drawing of a butterfly with Chloe's head in the alternate timeline. Yeah there is a big connection with the blue jay but the butterfly is stronger.

I'm reconsidering the butterfly association after being reminded of some friends who possess tattoos. I know it is common for people to memorialize loved ones in tattoos. What if it's possible that the butterfly represents William?

There is a large part of the story, even if brief, that surrounds the impact that William had in Max's life. Chloe was close to him. It may be that William, though his charm and personality, has a bit of a butterfly effect on people, and because of this, this butterfly effect we notice extends beyond his grave when Max possessed time powers. I would say that there is something magical about the fact that it happens right after Max took a picture of it, which is how we connect Max with Chloe. I can imagine that it was William, by some divine power that gave Max this ability, because she was supposed to save Chloe and keep her alive, every time she kept getting killed. If you noticed, even after Chloe was definitely shot and killed by Jefferson point blank, Max never lost her time travel powers. However, it also drained before all this when Max was to save Kate, hinting that it was because that wasn't what she was supposed to deal with (a sort of hot/cold game, if you will). Furthermore, it couldn't be mere coincidence that Max didn't recognize Chloe in the first place until after she were rescued by Chloe (you could say "returning the favor", even if she didn't know what it was), being at the right place at the right time. The butterfly would not seem so random after all.

If the butterfly were William's spirit animal, it would have a strong effect on everything the game is about. By then, it would not surprise me if the symbolism of the butterfly were not lost on Chloe.

You might argue though that the deer has a presence as well. It does, but it appears in the background, and it's a ghost by all accounts. Max never met Rachel, so the connection isn't strong except for the fact that Max could be considered similar to Rachel. It doesn't prevent itself from being a guide for Max, but on the other hand, that's just about the extent of it's purpose, it seems.

[BEN]

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

I'm reconsidering the butterfly association after being reminded of some friends who possess tattoos. I know it is common for people to memorialize loved ones in tattoos. What if it's possible that the butterfly represents William?

There is a large part of the story, even if brief, that surrounds the impact that William had in Max's life. Chloe was close to him. It may be that William, though his charm and personality, has a bit of a butterfly effect on people, and because of this, this butterfly effect we notice extends beyond his grave when Max possessed time powers. I would say that there is something magical about the fact that it happens right after Max took a picture of it, which is how we connect Max with Chloe. I can imagine that it was William, by some divine power that gave Max this ability, because she was supposed to save Chloe and keep her alive, every time she kept getting killed. If you noticed, even after Chloe was definitely shot and killed by Jefferson point blank, Max never lost her time travel powers. However, it also drained before all this when Max was to save Kate, hinting that it was because that wasn't what she was supposed to deal with (a sort of hot/cold game, if you will). Furthermore, it couldn't be mere coincidence that Max didn't recognize Chloe in the first place until after she were rescued by Chloe (you could say "returning the favor", even if she didn't know what it was), being at the right place at the right time. The butterfly would not seem so random after all.

If the butterfly were William's spirit animal, it would have a strong effect on everything the game is about. By then, it would not surprise me if the symbolism of the butterfly were not lost on Chloe.

You might argue though that the deer has a presence as well. It does, but it appears in the background, and it's a ghost by all accounts. Max never met Rachel, so the connection isn't strong except for the fact that Max could be considered similar to Rachel. It doesn't prevent itself from being a guide for Max, but on the other hand, that's just about the extent of it's purpose, it seems.

I get your point and it's unclear what is William spirit animal. It could work. It's quite closed to interpretation though. In pure symbolism, he is though closest to the whale i think, even if he has some connections to the butterfly. But many characters are connected to it, like Chloe, Rachel, and even Max.
We must not mistake butterfly effect with high influence, or causality.
I should not forget the animals are symbolism for the most part, not characters. Otherwise, Chloe would be a butterfly, a blue jay and a snake. Chloe is guides by many animals. Deer, butterfly, blue jay, squirrels. But symbolism and hints tell us she is related to the deer.I think mixing animals and characters (rather than realating them) get us away from the purpose and the meaning of the story.

[Insaya]

Originally posted by KIDINI:

I think that for William it's still up to interpretation. That's why i said in my opinion.
As for Chloe, the simpler reason why she has the butterfly is her butterfly tatoo. She also went into a lot of changes in her life (metamorphosis symbol) and different cycles in her life, she is reborn when she rebond with Max, as she told her at the end she had the best time of her life with her, she's plauful. Plus she notices the blue butterfly in the bathroom scene, and the butterfly comes on her casket when you sacrifice her at the end. Also, there is a drawing of a butterfly with Chloe's head in the alternate timeline. Yeah there is a big connection with the blue jay but the butterfly is stronger.

For Rachel, the display clue is her blue feather earring.Bluebirds are gentle and unaggressive. Like rachel is depicted. The imagery of the bird being constantly trapped trying to be free looks like Rachel spirit wanting to be found and set free. Their kindness is replace with strentgh fight readiness when threatened, and it is told rachel was kind but did put up a fight when kidnapped. She was apparently very smart and curious, all traits of the jay symbolism. But i think that for her, we will see more with LIS:BTS.

Ithink David is a wolf, but i didn't see or looked for any related animal in the game. But he is instinctive, swift and sharp, can be aggressive and trust no one and also be protective. Reaaaaally close to the wolf symbolism.

And warren is the Cat.

Its all (or at least the most) up to interpretation.

Warren = cat sounds good

David = Wolf
Hmm i just thought the same way, a lone wolf that after he lose his pack, the army, try to create and protect a new pack Joyce and Chloe :) But the game delievers very few hints about Davids spirit animal besides this.

For Rachel and Chloe im not totally convinced, but as i said, most people agree with your description. And its probably the way the writers want it to be.

Rachel is for me a total Laura Palmer reminiscence^^, i dont think she is what she wants to make people believe about her. There are some conversations that show her other side. So i think her obvious traits might not be her real dominant traits. Ok the blue featherearring, thats obvious, but if i remember correctly she also has a dragon tattoo :P but nobody would say her spirit animal is the dragon, even when some Traits matches.

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

I'm reconsidering the butterfly association after being reminded of some friends who possess tattoos. I know it is common for people to memorialize loved ones in tattoos. What if it's possible that the butterfly represents William?

Very very interessting Point!