Odallus: The Dark Call

Odallus: The Dark Call

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Odallus:The Dark Call vs Slain: Back from Hell
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319480/

or

http://store.steampowered.com/app/369070/


I only have enough for one of the two. Asking in both forums for fairness. Which do I get?


Last edited by ProtagorasEmber; Aug 16, 2016 @ 6:40am
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Spectrum Legacy Aug 16, 2016 @ 8:14am 
Both or bust!

Seriously though, Odallus is metroidvania with backtracking as you unlock abilities that allows you to proceed further and quite a lot of secrets hidden, so you can explore the levels if it is your thing. Very much nes-style...also has veteran difficulty mode, so maybe replayability is greater here.
Slain is is more linear progression action platformer with the emphasis on combat (block, dodge, parry, riposte, elemental weapons and magic) and avoiding instand death traps as you progress through the levels. Checkpoints are many I feel and replayability is more in terms of achievements like 0 hit taken per boss fight, no magic run, no death run, etc.

Both quality games, simple and straightforward fun. Essential purchases for any fan of the genres. However which one you will like more, I cannot say...

Edit: On a side note, if it's budget issue, then go for Odallus+Oniken pack... Great bang for the buck.
Last edited by Spectrum Legacy; Aug 16, 2016 @ 8:17am
ProtagorasEmber Aug 16, 2016 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by Spectrum Legacy:
Both or bust!

Seriously though, Odallus is metroidvania with backtracking as you unlock abilities that allows you to proceed further and quite a lot of secrets hidden, so you can explore the levels if it is your thing. Very much nes-style...also has veteran difficulty mode, so maybe replayability is greater here.
Slain is is more linear progression action platformer with the emphasis on combat (block, dodge, parry, riposte, elemental weapons and magic) and avoiding instand death traps as you progress through the levels. Checkpoints are many I feel and replayability is more in terms of achievements like 0 hit taken per boss fight, no magic run, no death run, etc.

Both quality games, simple and straightforward fun. Essential purchases for any fan of the genres. However which one you will like more, I cannot say...

Edit: On a side note, if it's budget issue, then go for Odallus+Oniken pack... Great bang for the buck.

Thank you for taking the time to make such an informative response.

First off, Slain is currently tagged as a Metroidvania game so I assumed it was one. If you hadn't told me it was more linear I might have gone in expecting something completely different. Not that linear is necessarily bad, it just wouldn't have been what I was expecting. Knowing this gives me a little more info towards making an informed choice.

I really love the art style of Slain probably more-so than Odallus just because I love pixel art and darker themes. On looks alone I would have to go with Slain, but I still really appreciate the retro vibe of Odallus. It's almost as if they took a direct copy of Simon Belmont and put him in a different game and gave him a different weapon, and I mean that in a good way. I grew up in the 80's and loved those games so Odallus definitely scores some major nostalgia points. And thank you once again, this time for mentioning the pack that includes Oniken. With the current sale it ends up costing a quarter to get the extra game and all the bonus 80's goodness it offers.

I've been aware of Oniken in the past but until today I hadn't even heard of Odallus. Not that I don't love Metroidvania games, I do. I just would say that I'm primarily a turn-based CRPG/Roguelike kinda guy and platformers usually aren't my go-to games. However I definitely need more action in my library and more controller based games (please don't tell the rest of the PC Master Race I said that). Being hunched over a keyboard for hours on end has its limits, and actually being able to sit on a couch and lean back with a controller in hand makes for a much more relaxing time on occasion, and even though the genres of those kinds of games are a little more hectic usually, my neck and back are much happier when I'm sitting in a relaxed position.

So hmm.... I guess you kinda made this decision a lot harder.... um... thank you? Kidding but with the much better discount, the package deal on Odallus/Oniken you turned me on to, and the info you gave me I've sort of swung more towards the game that I was less likely to get, so now the pendulum is more in the middle than it was before. Lol. Thanks a bunch. :P
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LateNightRetro Aug 16, 2016 @ 7:09pm 
Oniken sucked in my opinion. Every other stage was a damn auto scroller. I am on the fence with Odallus just because I don't want to play a bunch of auto scroller stages and can't get a definite answer on Odallus. If its like Oniken I don't want to play at all.

I have played Slain. It was fun, but as previous post mentioned its more of a combat beat em up with very little meaningful platforming. It was a fun and violent game with amazing music though and I would recommend Slain
ProtagorasEmber Aug 16, 2016 @ 7:18pm 
Originally posted by Makaveli:
Oniken sucked in my opinion. Every other stage was a damn auto scroller. I am on the fence with Odallus just because I don't want to play a bunch of auto scroller stages and can't get a definite answer on Odallus. If its like Oniken I don't want to play at all.

I have played Slain. It was fun, but as previous post mentioned its more of a combat beat em up with very little meaningful platforming. It was a fun and violent game with amazing music though and I would recommend Slain

To be honest, I'm really kind of disappointed to hear that about Slain. Users on Steam tagged it as Metroidvania and it isn't one. And I can't get the demo for Oniken to work with my controller and I'm afraid Odalus is gonna be the same thing.
I'm probably getting neither now, getting a cheap copy of Teslagrad in trade somewhere, and just saving up my Steam Wallet money for a Steam Controller.
If Slain really WAS a Metroidvania game then there wouldn't be a choice at all and I'm really glad I made these posts and got the truth.
ProtagorasEmber Aug 16, 2016 @ 7:20pm 
Oh and with as many times as Oniken has been in a bundle, how long before Odallus is as well? Would hate to spend the 5 now and then see in on Groupees or IndieGala in a month. I'm way too poor to be throwing money away. I like supporting developers. I also like having food and cigarettes.
PictoNoMii Aug 16, 2016 @ 8:33pm 
Originally posted by Makaveli:
Oniken sucked in my opinion. Every other stage was a damn auto scroller. I am on the fence with Odallus just because I don't want to play a bunch of auto scroller stages and can't get a definite answer on Odallus. If its like Oniken I don't want to play at all.

I have played Slain. It was fun, but as previous post mentioned its more of a combat beat em up with very little meaningful platforming. It was a fun and violent game with amazing music though and I would recommend Slain
I have not yet played Oniken, but I can assure you it is nothing like Odallus. Odallus is a Metroidvania game through and through.
NeonDrare Aug 16, 2016 @ 8:33pm 
I have played Odallus and Oniken,I really liked both of them,8 bit style,great music and gameplay.I didn't known Slain but it looks a good game too and I will buy it in the future it will be cheaper,I think.I suggest buy Joymasher bundle Oniken+Odallus.
PictoNoMii Aug 16, 2016 @ 8:36pm 
Originally posted by AFKProtagorasAFKEmberAFK:
Oh and with as many times as Oniken has been in a bundle, how long before Odallus is as well? Would hate to spend the 5 now and then see in on Groupees or IndieGala in a month. I'm way too poor to be throwing money away. I like supporting developers. I also like having food and cigarettes.
I just got the Oniken & Odallus bundle, and I can't recomend Odallus highly enough. From what I know about Slain!, it is very flawed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flvA2yoJ9Y), and even though I have not played it, I would suggest that you go with Odallus and maybe wait until Slain! is on sale.
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ProtagorasEmber Aug 16, 2016 @ 9:14pm 
Originally posted by PictoNoMii:
Originally posted by AFKProtagorasAFKEmberAFK:
Oh and with as many times as Oniken has been in a bundle, how long before Odallus is as well? Would hate to spend the 5 now and then see in on Groupees or IndieGala in a month. I'm way too poor to be throwing money away. I like supporting developers. I also like having food and cigarettes.
I just got the Oniken & Odallus bundle, and I can't recomend Odallus highly enough. From what I know about Slain!, it is very flawed(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flvA2yoJ9Y), and even though I have not played it, I would suggest that you go with Odallus and maybe wait until Slain! is on sale.

Well people are saying that Slain isn't flawed anymore. They redesigned and relaunched the game. It is on sale but 33%off opposed to the 75% off Odallus is at.
Right now it's all kinda boiling down to my gamepad not working for the Oniken demo and Slain not really being a Metroidvania. Kinda don't want either now.
PictoNoMii Aug 16, 2016 @ 9:25pm 
Originally posted by ProtagorasEmber:
Originally posted by PictoNoMii:
I just got the Oniken & Odallus bundle, and I can't recomend Odallus highly enough. From what I know about Slain!, it is very flawed(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flvA2yoJ9Y), and even though I have not played it, I would suggest that you go with Odallus and maybe wait until Slain! is on sale.

Well people are saying that Slain isn't flawed anymore. They redesigned and relaunched the game. It is on sale but 33%off opposed to the 75% off Odallus is at.
Right now it's all kinda boiling down to my gamepad not working for the Oniken demo and Slain not really being a Metroidvania. Kinda don't want either now.
You can use Joy2Key (http://joytokey.net/en/) for Oniken, and purchasing the bundle is just a few dimes more than just buying Odallus alone.
ProtagorasEmber Aug 16, 2016 @ 9:29pm 
Originally posted by PictoNoMii:
Originally posted by ProtagorasEmber:

Well people are saying that Slain isn't flawed anymore. They redesigned and relaunched the game. It is on sale but 33%off opposed to the 75% off Odallus is at.
Right now it's all kinda boiling down to my gamepad not working for the Oniken demo and Slain not really being a Metroidvania. Kinda don't want either now.
You can use Joy2Key (http://joytokey.net/en/) for Oniken, and purchasing the bundle is just a few dimes more than just buying Odallus alone.

I must have said it in the other forum. JoytoKey is not working for me for that demo. If I map the directional buttons or if I change Oniken's movement keys to letters and map those I cannot use my controller to move. All i can do is punch and jump. So Oniken won't work for me. So no bundle. So probably just saying forget the whole thing.
ProtagorasEmber Aug 16, 2016 @ 9:34pm 
NVM. I made a very dumb mistake when mapping JoytoKey. Working. Buying bundle. Feeling dumb. Odallus wins.
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LateNightRetro Aug 17, 2016 @ 12:29am 
I had to use Joy2Key to even play Oniken. Once I got it working it wasn't worth the money tons of auto scrollers and ♥♥♥♥ levels. I did a review on it, but quickly unlisted it because I was disgusted by Oniken. This is the review I did on Slain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX6VpIDTyBg It only a few days old, so its not a review on the broken game it was back in March
Spectrum Legacy Aug 17, 2016 @ 2:17am 
No problemo - I'm just sorry to have caused more pain with decision-making! :hoji_smile:

About gamepad, I'm playing more and more games with it as well, since I get less wrist pain after prolonged sessions, not to mention upper back is happier too and also more convenient to sit further away from the screen without some KB support etc. I'm nowhere near as pixel perfect with the pad as with kb yet, but it fills the bill. Using classic wired 360 pad, with couple of parts modified (stick centering springs and dpad) and had no issue with it either in Odallus nor in Slain - they bot allow custom layout mapping.

There is also demo for odallus on their old indiegogo page (direct dl link http://keyo.me/odallus/OdallusDemo.exe ). It is very early version from 2013 though, so can't say it would be good to gauge whether your pad works with it or not. But might be worth a try.

I haven't played Oniken yet...however Odallus had only 1 major autoscroller part of a level, which is shown on the screenshots on the store page too: you ride a minecart. Second small autoscroller is in one corridor, but it is short. Slain has one level with autoscroller segment too. In any case, for me they felt refreshing, breaking the pace little a bit.

One thing about Slain is that you can feel the game was supposed to have somewhat more complex progression, but it was scraped some time into development and turned into more linear fashion - that's why there is still a hub where you select levels imo. I'm not saying it's better or worse this way, enjoyed the game myself, just the metroidvania tag might come from the early concept, ideas and inspirations and/or the early version which panned poorly, reflected by reviews and metascore (again, haven't played the early version myself, so I can only compare current Slain and Odallus as I've finished both recently).
Arancil Aug 17, 2016 @ 2:57am 
Anyone interested in picking up a good Metroid-like should check out Axiom Verge. That one shouldn't have the -vania at the end though, it feels like a Metroid-style game through and through. Be aware that it's not the longest game out there; finished it in 10 hours on normal. Replaying it on hard, getting 100% and doing some achievements could probably pad it out to 25-30 hours. Those 10 hours were very solid though.

Picked up Odallus yesterday, loving it so far. It's nice to have things in revisitable stages rather than one big open world you have to run across to get somewhere for once. They really nailed the NES (or similar) feel as well. Highly recommended.
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