Please change Glass Tony

[Shibanu]

IT IS SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE to beat the game with glass tony right now. I don't think there is a single person who can proof that they won with him. 5% breaking after each trigger makes it so that you can't build a build and you can't focus on retrigger perks because retriggers will just break the items.

Suggested changes: Make it 1% instead of 5% or make it so that every item has a 5% chance of breaking after every round regardless of how many times it triggered. I want to 100% the game but after hours and hours of trying to somehow scale a crazy needle with star fruits i am starting to become crazy myself. I am not even kidding when i say i believe it is literally impossible without some kind of grindable god seed.

[LemonJake10]

im also on the glass tony grind. My highest round has been 55 with a combination of timer items like flamethrower, kazoo, and monstrocity. If i dont get mystery box perk i reset the run and i dont pick up any other perks since force activation leads to item death.

[Sinsling]

Also here for this. I think there's a hypothetical where drainer + mystery box gets somewhere but right now it feels like there isn't enough ways forward on this manager. I'd take something as simple as corrupted items don't break, honestly.

[LemonJake10]

Originally posted by Sinsling:

Also here for this. I think there's a hypothetical where drainer + mystery box gets somewhere but right now it feels like there isn't enough ways forward on this manager. I'd take something as simple as corrupted items don't break, honestly.

i think if corrupted items didnt break toy fish makes this super possible especially with how many jumbles at cafe you can stock up. would love to see this as a change cause it wouldnt completely remove the challenge but it would likely make it possible

[Linkshot]

also struggling. any run that gets to Zone 3 just blows itself up shortly after. my suggestion right now is to reduce rerolls by 1 but make shops show up more often, or increase peg count (+1 2nd-highest, +3 lowest).

there might also be an underlying problem since you can't really make score without items at a certain point, which is what makes Glass Tony unreasonable.

but specific to Glass Tony, I think Zone 3 breaks because you get the double whammy of shop -> snowglobe boss destroys all the perks you just bought -> can't make par in new zone with just pegboard score.

I'll try skipping perks and just grabbing timer / once-per-round items. except the chicken.

[david]

+1 made the exact same conclusion that it is near impossible and also suggested 1% instead of 5%.
even one-off items that don't re-trigger still have a 1/20 chance to break every shot so even trying to get from one shop to another is near impossible without losing at least half your items.
Currently the only one of classics I cannot complete.

[New Pantera]

i beat all challenges and all supervisors except glass tony, im stumped as to what to do

[The Thing, from "The Thing".]

Glass Tony is actually impossible, I heard there were playtesters but I refuse to believe they played him haha. Beat all of the challenges and supervisors prepatch and I still can't get past the moon on glass tony

[Gubtubus Webble]

I've gotten as far as the moon before all my items just delete themselves. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I've beaten everything else but glass tony.

[Lynx]

Glass Tony should just be a chance your item doesn't proc instead, and you can make it higher for difficulty, maybe. The fact that glass tony destroys an item when this game is all about items and force proc is insane. Or, maybe in exchange, make corrupt items exempt?

[Gubtubus Webble]

Originally posted by Lynx:

Glass Tony should just be a chance your item doesn't proc instead, and you can make it higher for difficulty, maybe. The fact that glass tony destroys an item when this game is all about items and force proc is insane. Or, maybe in exchange, make corrupt items exempt?

I like this idea better cause then it would force you to pick items that force trigger your stuff. But making corrupt items unbreakable would be too op. Those times are game changers. And he could be named Forgetful Tony or something cause he doesn't proc items sometimes, and also randomizes the spot of your items.

[Scrublord]

I came here to post this. I was hoping someone knew a strat but I am on day 3 and ready to call it.

[wickedsillyness]

I beat it. Only perk I took was mystery box. All items were ones that don't proc much. It took many tries but it is doable.

[Linkshot]

I know it's getting reworked somehow already, but I think the rule "you get your items back if Nubby did not pass the goal this shot" would keep one error from cascading into a loss. also, upgraded items should have a reduced chance to break, just because right now it heavily encourages just having multiple copies as sacrifices.

though the easiest thing to do would be to just swap Glass Tony and Expiration Date. Spoiled Tony, Glass moved to Challenges.

[vampira]

I just got a win after a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of tries by going for wingless fly on both black markets and squids to copy it. Just hitting the biggest peg gets you through the rounds, but you have to get lucky with peg placement. If you can't target the biggest peg, try to whiff all the pegs completely to get a new jumble so as not to risk breaking the fly.

One of the flies broke near the end of act 3 (and if the first fly breaks before I have the second one online it's gg). Lentil in the cafe can also be useful if you fill your item slots with trash because it might give good corrupted items. Stupid challenge though, no counterplays available to really mitigate bad RNG.