Understanding The Storm Bolter.

[The Terror]

A bolter is a standard weapon used by marines . A Storm Bolter is basically 2 bolters strapped together. It is not meant to function like this, hence the heat issues.

In the game a Storm Bolter does 1 damage. I find this odd considering it's two weapons firing at once. A combi weapon, that being a single bolter by default does the same damage as a Storm Bolter. That makes no sense. A Storm Bolter should by default do 2 damage.

Anyways. I have the bolter upgrade of additional damage. I fire at a Broodlord that has 3hp. I hit, it losses 1hp. What. Unsure if bug or perhaps I'm not understanding how weapons work.

I have read people saying that with upgrades, the Storm Bolter is the best weapon in game. It's not. Combie weapons get Storm Bolter upgrades. Combie weapons not suffering form heat is huge. Typically not something that matters, till you play a "impossible mission", then that lack of heat becomes key.

Combi weapons are about versatility. Storm bolters should have a stronger paunch.

[K. the Land-Surveyor]

A Storm Bolter in game fires two "rounds" for every firing action (in the standard firing mode), and each round does 1 damage. Combi bolters only fire once per firing action.

[The Terror]

K, so why can I ever hit a Broodlord for more than 1hp? Like assuming I have been stupid unlucky and out of my 2 shots per round I only hit once, the target should suffer a 2hp lose because of the upgrade, right?

[K. the Land-Surveyor]

Sorry, I should have clarified that each "round" does one damage but the most you can do in a single turn with a Storm Bolter is 1 damage. Probably to prevent the player from hosing a Brood Lord down in one turn with Burst Fire.

The firing twice per firing action is a significant boost to chances to hit, and it has versatility in the different firing modes (mostly with the option to suppress). Storm Bolters will have a much easier time locking down corridors than a combi-bolter, and the firing twice thing is generally why they're preferred over the combis.

That's my understanding of it all, anyway. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.

[The Terror]

I don't wish to be argumentative. I do appreciate your rational responses. I have put a lot of time into this game. In my personal experience, I have not seen any tangible evidence that a Storm Bolter out performs a combie. I wish that was not the case. But I can't deny my own game experience.

This not doing more than 1 damage a round escapes me. Whats the point of the upgrade then?

[jackx]

You can do one damage per round fired, however, that round has to hit.

And your chance to hit display is your aggregated chance to hit, taking all rounds fired into account.
A 90% chance to hit with a regular stormbolter shot is a a 90% chance that one of two rounds hits, the chance for hitting with both rounds thus dealing two damage will be lower.

I haven't used weapon upgrades in a while, but prior to the IF patch, both +dmg and +attacks definitely worked, allowing a bolter with +1 attack to deal 3 HP damage with oen regular attack (i.e. insta-gibbing a Brood Lord), and the +1 dmg bolters would kill 2 HP GS in one hit wihtout fail.
Burst fire also most definitely could deal 3+ dmg, but with the to-hit malus, it generally needs to be used at close range for full potential.


Regarding the lore on the storm bolter, the heat issues are much more pronounced due to the nature of combat aboard a Space Hulk, necessitating frequentt sustained automatic fire to deal with the GS at close quarters.
The weapon, being an improvement on the older combi-bolter design itself is quite reliable under other combat conditions.

The sheer amount of firepower it can unleash makes the stormbolter preferable for the very short engagement distances commonly found inside a Space Hulk, and this is reflected well in Ascension.

You can use storm bolters very aggressively, allowing just 2-3 tiles on overwatch - of course, there's no incentive to do this in order to complete missions more quickly, and if all you do is go as slow as possible to maximize XP gain (or deliberately farm outright), then you'll prefer the heat-free combi-bolters.

[datguy13]

Combi-weapons do not receive Stormbolter upgrades.

Only the Bolter portion of a Combi-weapon receives the Chance To Hit bonus from Skills.

Combi-weapons and Stormbolters each do base one point of damage to maintain gameplay balance.

When any weapon hits, a check is made against the defender's (a Broodlord in your example) Toughness Attribute. If the check passes, the defender is wounded. If the check fails, the defender is not wounded. For each point of damage, a new check is made. That is why you do not always deal full damage to a Broodlord or a Genestealer using the Hardened Carapace biomorph.

[GRIMALDUS]

i got the +2 damage for stormbolter, does that apply to the bolter half of the combi weapons or just the storm bolter its self?, it is possible to instakill broodlords with this i killed three in one round of shooting with my squadleader.

[GRIMALDUS]

i havent unlocked combi weapons yet

[datguy13]

Publicado originalmente por GRIMALDUS:

i got the +2 damage for stormbolter, does that apply to the bolter half of the combi weapons or just the storm bolter its self?,

The first sentence of the post directly before yours. No, the bolter part of a Combi-weapon does not apply the +2 damage of the Stormbolter upgrade.

And yes, it is possible to kill a Broodlord which has 3 Health in one attack if this bonus is applied to your Stormbolters.

[GRIMALDUS]

your right sorry must be blind lol :)