Will Schedule 1 beat AU classification?

[Sistermatic™]

So as we know, our favourite game is not banned in Australia at all. Tyler was unaware of the rules and has taken steps to sort it out.

Given Tyler was not aware he needed classification, it's highly probable he is also unaware of what the rules are.

I have had product classified in Australia and there are certain criteria for a rating.

1) Gambling is one such element but is normally allowed as 'stylized gambling'.
2) Drug making and selling is normally allowed, other games have set precedent.
3) Unfortunately though, 'reward or incentive' to the character *using* drugs is a non-no and classification may prove unlikely.

1 and 2 are likely to attract an MA15+. 3 *might* attract an R18+ or worse, it may end up with refused classification.

I really hope I'm wrong, and more than happy to accept it, but I'll wager, if the benefits to the character are not removed from using drugs, like running, jumping with energy drink mix for example, it will not past muster.

[Paranoia_Inc]

As of right now I'd just be worried what the scope of the game is, or what ideas he still has floating that could potentially change the game's classification. Don't know if adding something after it gets rated could incur a penalty if it's deemed changing the nature of the game.

[Sistermatic™]

Originally posted by Paranoia_Inc:

As of right now I'd just be worried what the scope of the game is, or what ideas he still has floating that could potentially change the game's classification. Don't know if adding something after it gets rated could incur a penalty if it's deemed changing the nature of the game.

The variable here is what is called 'significant modification'. It must be reclassified if that applies.

https://www.classification.gov.au/for-industry/exemptions-and-modifications/modifications

[bauer]

Or the Australia government could just not be nannys/ authoritarians

[terminalinsanity]

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

Australian dev' might not agree.

And you really should avail yourself of who else bans/prohibits video games and as much as some might argue, it includes the US through ESRB. Similar rules apply, up to and including Adults Only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_by_country

i don't care what country is doing it. Mock them for it. Mock anyone who supports it. They are children looking for nannies to babysit them because they're not mentally developed enough to use the microwave unsupervised.

real people should not be restrained based on the actions or mental capacity of others.

[Sistermatic™]

Originally posted by terminalinsanity:

i don't care what country is doing it. Mock them for it. Mock anyone who supports it. They are children looking for nannies to babysit them because they're not mentally developed enough to use the microwave unsupervised.

real people should not be restrained based on the actions or mental capacity of others.

You specified Australia mate but glad to see that wasn't actually the important bit.

Even so, do you think even kids should have access to everything? The one solitary reason we have classifications the world over.

[terminalinsanity]

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

You specified Australia mate but glad to see that wasn't actually the important bit.

Even so, do you think even kids should have access to everything? The one solitary reason we have classifications the world over.

i was under the impression it was banned as well, which it isnt. Its awaiting "classification"

But the point is if a country bans a game, its best not to even fight it. Just let it be banned and mock the whole country for the ban. Make people in the country want to change it. There's no point in foreigners trying to pressure their government into fixing it. You have to fix the culture that allowed it. You can do that by mocking and insulting the sycophants who want Big Brother to spank them before beddybye

[Jooshimus]

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

Even so, do you think even kids should have access to everything? The one solitary reason we have classifications the world over.

I expect parents to parent.
Age classifications seem inherently pointless. Needless bureaucracy. And harmful to making "art" accessible.

[Sistermatic™]

Originally posted by Jooshimus:

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

Even so, do you think even kids should have access to everything? The one solitary reason we have classifications the world over.

I expect parents to parent.
Age classifications seem inherently pointless. Needless bureaucracy. And harmful to making "art" accessible.

Classifications are so parents *can* parent. They don't stop parents from letting kids do anything, it simply informs them of what the game/movie might contain so they can make informed decisions.

The only preventative measure is kids cannot buy or access inappropriate material, something that any parent can overrule without issue.

I think some see classification as censorship, something it isn't if the product can still be accessed - with minors the only protected age class.

Very rarely is any game/movie banned for adults, without specific cause. The fact you put "art" in quotes suggests it is very dubious art you're talking about.

[Darkon]

Thanks to Australian laws a lot of games in Europe are censored or entirelly "reworked" cutting out some actual gameplay that you can enjoy in all Asia (China included) so....I would send them to hell but they already are in that hell called Australia (I feel sorry for hell) so...yeah

[Sistermatic™]

Originally posted by Darkon:

Thanks to Australian laws a lot of games in Europe are censored or entirelly "reworked" cutting out some actual gameplay that you can enjoy in all Asia (China included) so....I would send them to hell but they already are in that hell called Australia (I feel sorry for hell) so...yeah

wtf do some of you think Australia is? Try looking beyond your Farcebook group ffs.

Nor do I have any idea how Australia set Euro' product. Can you give me an example?

[Darkon]

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

wtf do some of you think Australia is? Try looking beyond your Farcebook group ffs.

What Australia show to the world
And sorry I don't use Mr. Droid-man's social app

[Sistermatic™]

Originally posted by Darkon:

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

wtf do some of you think Australia is? Try looking beyond your Farcebook group ffs.

What Australia show to the world
And sorry I don't use Mr. Droid-man's social app

Like what? And sorry, you're obviously getting your lies from somewhere.

[Jooshimus]

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

Originally posted by Jooshimus:

I expect parents to parent.
Age classifications seem inherently pointless. Needless bureaucracy. And harmful to making "art" accessible.

Classifications are so parents *can* parent. They don't stop parents from letting kids do anything, it simply informs them of what the game/movie might contain so they can make informed decisions.

The only preventative measure is kids cannot buy or access inappropriate material, something that any parent can overrule without issue.

I think some see classification as censorship, something it isn't if the product can still be accessed - with minors the only protected age class.

Very rarely is any game/movie banned for adults, without specific cause. The fact you put "art" in quotes suggests it is very dubious art you're talking about.

I said art as a catch all for movies, games, anything where the age classification touches.

Parent's shouldn't need age classification to know if the art is not appropriate for their child, based on, idk, the rest of the steam store page? Just give me a list of the themes and a short explanation.

Are you employed in some capacity relating to this? Why do you actually not want this system to be abolished?

[Sistermatic™]

Originally posted by Jooshimus:

Are you employed in some capacity relating to this?

I've had dealings with our system professionally over the years with my own product, it's never been an issue. Not sure why this kind of question is even necessary.

Why do you actually not want this system to be abolished?

I have kids and being able to look at a product and say, 'this is appropriate', is a good thing.

My kids - under the age of 15 - still watch movies, play video games with a MA15+ rating so it is *not* prohibitive in any way. It's a parent decision, always has been.

Anyone who thinks classification means we have stormtroopers deciding what we watch is absurd, particularly when the exact opposite is on display right in front of you, every day and every night.

Parent's shouldn't need age classification to know if the art is not appropriate for their child, based on, idk, the rest of the steam store page?

This comment is just downright silly. Steam isn't the only place we buy content. It makes up maybe 10% of our total purchases. Ironically, guess what else is on the Steam store page - the RATING for any country that has one.

[Kirro]

I don't understand why the Australian gov makes an 18+ rating for games but then bans anything that will fall into that classification.....