Land destruction decks make people want to quit magic.

[Inlex]

It's one of the worst game mechanics ever created. Bad gameplay and not fun for anyone. People will quit. There's a reason it's never printed anymore. This has to stop if this game is ever to succeed.

[Blinckx]

引用自 Frumpylumps：

引用自 Inlex：

It's one of the worst game mechanics ever created. Bad gameplay and not fun for anyone. People will quit. There's a reason it's never printed anymore. This has to stop if this game is ever to succeed.

I quit if they get planeswalker on first turn since I don't play red or black.

I only know of 2 cards that destroy lands. the green spell and the red creature that does 14 damage. what are the others?

So you quit if they play a planeswalker
You quit if they play willbreaker
You quit if your opponent is better than you
You quit if your opponent play blue deck
And I bet that you quit using alt+f4

You're really a good player, indeed

Oh, btw. there is no "red creature that does 14 damage" but there is a sorcery that does 13 damage and destroy a land

[Varivox]

Huh...I thought Blue decks were why people quit magic. "Oh, you want to play what? No, no you don't, by the way, that is in your graveyard now. Too bad...and that creature there...yea, that one...that's going back on top of your deck. That one never untaps....you know what, skip all that and let me play your hand for you, it'll be faster.".

On topic:

Land destruction is rather pricey for the effect you get. Only 2(?) cards in the pool now, with the cheapest being 2GG mana. I've only ever found them to be "good" in decks that were either already mana starved or for destroying things like rogue's passage. Other than that, meh.

When I was a kid, I LOVED land destruction >:D and if I recall correctly, this batch of ld is toned down A LOT.

[Ferrus Animus]

引用自 Saithan：

Planeswalkers are so absurd that the first day they were released, all my friends playing magic (about 10 guys) decided to not play with them. And they play legacy with all the broken cards (though not very complex or combo-ish decks). Planeswalker are as absurdly op and bad for the game as cool, Imo.

I love that kind of opponent when palying with planeswalkers. Nothing better than my opponent putting all his effort into killing a mediocre planeswalker while I win the game.

[Frumpylumps]

引用自 Corruptus：

引用自 Frumpylumps：

LOL. What kind of m0ron are you?

What player would ever be dumb enough let their kytheon potentially die in combat?

these clowns

You sure like to call people names for someone who Alt-F4s until they find an easy win

I never said I alt-f4, clown.

I actually prefer that my rank is low because i run into less abusive BS.

[Professor Dex 1978]

引用自 Frumpylumps：

引用自 Corruptus：

You sure like to call people names for someone who Alt-F4s until they find an easy win

I never said I alt-f4, clown.

I actually prefer that my rank is low because i run into less abusive BS.

Yes you did. You said you quite, not concede. Remember according to you there is NO ROOM for personal definitions, so by default you said you Alt-F4. You silly little sailor. ;)

[c.a.smith_100]

引用自 Professor Dex 1978：

引用自 Frumpylumps：

I never said I alt-f4, clown.

I actually prefer that my rank is low because i run into less abusive BS.

Yes you did. You said you quite, not concede. Remember according to you there is NO ROOM for personal definitions, so by default you said you Alt-F4. You silly little sailor. ;)

Not that i really want to defend the guy but quiting doesn't exactly mean exits magic duels instead of hitting the concede button.

[Professor Dex 1978]

引用自 c.a.smith_100：

引用自 Professor Dex 1978：

Yes you did. You said you quite, not concede. Remember according to you there is NO ROOM for personal definitions, so by default you said you Alt-F4. You silly little sailor. ;)

Not that i really want to defend the guy but quiting doesn't exactly mean exits magic duels instead of hitting the concede button.

But it does. Lumpy has stated many times that personal definitions don't count. Which means that he would have said concede if he meant concede. And the only way to "quit" is by hitting Alt-F4.

[c.a.smith_100]

引用自 Professor Dex 1978：

引用自 c.a.smith_100：

Not that i really want to defend the guy but quiting doesn't exactly mean exits magic duels instead of hitting the concede button.

But it does. Lumpy has stated many times that personal definitions don't count. Which means that he would have said concede if he meant concede. And the only way to "quit" is by hitting Alt-F4.

But alt+f4 closes the window so where's the quit?

[unnamed]

to the OP: Are you serious? Or just seriously re-tarded?

[Frumpylumps]

引用自 Professor Dex 1978：

引用自 Frumpylumps：

I never said I alt-f4, clown.

I actually prefer that my rank is low because i run into less abusive BS.

Yes you did. You said you quite, not concede. Remember according to you there is NO ROOM for personal definitions, so by default you said you Alt-F4. You silly little sailor. ;)

find the quote. I never said that, stalker.

[Inlex]

Ok, since Everyone has to be super judgemental about my comment, I have to return the favor:

You morons/crybabies/arrogance incarnate have no idea what you're talking about.

Land destruction that comes down on turn FOUR when you're on the draw is game breaking. Especially since it is followed up with an extra forest, another land destruction spell that kills ANY creature you might have pushed out and then a uncounterable, basically hexproof 8/5 with haste to finish the joy.

Yes I do realise this is a single sequence but it's broken as ♥♥♥♥. There's not the slightest bit of counterplay available and that just makes for bad gameplay. Since there is a free (noob friendly, but not really) mulligan, the sequence is MUCH easier to comprise. A game is supposed to be fun for both players, not just the one doing broken things.

Also: LSV himself says that land destruction is a very bad game mechanic for the above reasons. He might not be the god of magic but maybe you judgemental pancakes would at least take his opinion seriously. If not, please feel free to go to his twitter and call him a 'crybaby' or a 're-tard' too, since you have it all figured out.

PS: I finished top 20 in a WMCQ 2 weeks ago so stop being donkeyholes by judging people you know jack about.

pansies.

[EXTREPLECATOR SMOOG]

land removal is a great game style, removing 1 land isn't out of line.

And then you go the route of casting 4 removal land cards 4 turns out of 5, so then you got a power play for a win BUT....you still had to spend 4 turns casting the cards (they normally cost 4 or more mana)


I've always liked land removal, it's legit, and some of the older cards removed all lands from an opponent or sometimes all lands from all players.


Dude, this is suppost to be a fun game this & that, then you're done.


The real problem with Magic The Gathering is the self-important monopolists that are trying to grip down on every single person & card in the entire Magic The Gathering history & they choke up the entire life span of Magic The Gathering.


This is a fantasy card game, it's suppost to be surprising & disarming for a fun & relaxing time.


All you jerks & phonies should be ashamed of yourselfs & just get out of MTG, get a new job, just move all for christ's sake.

[Inlex]

引用自 Ferrus Animus：

引用自 L0ki：

It's always ridiculous when people complain about mechanics like counterspells which are intregal to the game's design.

I disagree partially. Complaining about integral parts existing is normally missing the point and rather unhelpful, but complaints about the balance of these parts can be useful.

This. I might have not been completely clear in my OP. but it's about the counterplay, which there is very little against these decks. Bad gameplay=no fun=decline in player numbers=dead game in my opinion. At least on the long run.

The reason I started this thread is because I feel this game needs all the help it can get to even try to stay alive in the long run. An important part of that is not discouraging players. I couldn't care less about this single example. It's about the big picture so everyone gets to play the game for a long time.

[Kilpanic]

Lower your curve, and play fewer colors.

[Ferrus Animus]

引用自 Inlex：

This. I might have not been completely clear in my OP. but it's about the counterplay, which there is very little against these decks. Bad gameplay=no fun=decline in player numbers=dead game in my opinion. At least on the long run.

The counterplay to land destruction is playing lands.
Neiter of the available land destruction cards are good or fast enough to have a big impact unless the user gets lucky enough to draw them all at the ideal time or the opponent gets mana screwed.
Basically if you lose because of land destruction in Duels you either got some bad luck or your deck has issues.