Colourless mana and Converge.

[GOPO™]

Does colourless mana count when playing cards with Converge?
If I cast a 0/0 creature with Converge using one colourless mana, one red mana and one green mana, do I get a 2/2 creature or a 3/3 one?

[c.a.smith_100]

99% certain colourless doesn't count for converge so you'd get a 2/2.

From the comp rules;
"105.1. There are five colors in the Magic game: white, blue, black, red, and green"

[pjfeigel]

You do know what the word "Colorless" means... Right?

So, if you use {CRG} to pay for your spell with Converge, it would only have two +1/+1 counters, because you only use two colors of mana. Red {R} and Green {G}.

[mirrors-edge]

I don't believe colorless is classed as a "color", so it doesn't count towards the number of colors used for converge, i.e. 2/2 would be the result.

It does of course count towards Generic Mana costs. Radiant Flames cast with <><>R would inflict 1 damage on every creature. Converge highlights the distinct difference between Generic Mana and Colorless Mana.

- Radiant Flames[gatherer.wizards.com]

If you look at the ruling dated 8/25/2015, it states that "Colorless is not a color".

Going a step further on Colorless Mana vs Generic Mana. Colorless costed spells highlight the difference also. If you take Reality Smasher for example, which is costed 4<>. You must use at least one colorless mana in its cost. i.e. 4<> is distinctly different to 5.

[pjfeigel]

Originally posted by mirrors-edge:

If you take Reality Smasher for example, which is costed 4<>.

<>?

107.4c The colorless mana symbol {C} is used to represent one colorless mana, and also to represent a cost that can be paid only with one colorless mana.

[Darkwing]

colorless vs colored
why do we even need to have this talk...

[c.a.smith_100]

Originally posted by ๓เรtค єк๏:

colorless vs colored
why do we even need to have this talk...

It does confuse and catch out people a lot even on dedicated mtg forums, besides always better to ask the question than not.

[mirrors-edge]

Originally posted by ๓เรtค єк๏:

colorless vs colored
why do we even need to have this talk...

It's a legitimate question, there are quite a few people playing this game who might be new to it. It's not very constructive, or for that matter very friendly, for longer term players to be dismissive or condescending towards them. There might also be a few people just picking the game up, who might find the contents of posts like this informative.

Originally posted by pjfeigel:

Originally posted by mirrors-edge:

If you take Reality Smasher for example, which is costed 4<>.

<>?

107.4c The colorless mana symbol {C} is used to represent one colorless mana, and also to represent a cost that can be paid only with one colorless mana.

Sorry, bad habit.

[5chwarte666]

colorless is not a own Color, or other say its not a Colorindenteti so nop Coverge gets not trigger from Colorless

[GOPO™]

Thanks for the replies guys. 95% I already knew the answer but just wanted to make sure before building my new Converge deck.

[mirrors-edge]

Originally posted by Gopo:

Thanks for the replies guys. 95% I already knew the answer but just wanted to make sure before building my new Converge deck.

Cool, there's plenty of power in Converge. Make sure you run 2x Prism Array, the 5 color Scry 3 feels great. lol

[arenaynieve]

Originally posted by mirrors-edge:

Make sure you run 2x Prism Array, the 5 color Scry 3 feels great. lol

Not only converge..., Just wait for SOI..... xD: Scry 3. Put Ulamog in 2nd place. Next turn, draw your card. +1 Sorin´s ability, show Ulamog. -10 life.

Plays, Ulamog.

Next turn. Anchor to aether/Roil Sprout to Ulamog. +1 Sorin´s skill, show Ulamog again.

Trololololololo

(Yes I know this is not what this topic is about but I had to say it)

[mirrors-edge]

I have to say Sorin looks pretty mighty, even for 6 mana. I kind of feel like a couple of Origins' planeswalkers could increase in value too, Jace is already highly regarded, but Liliana could find some form. Her +2 discard for madness could potentially be good fun, although it's fairly symmetrical. In some quicker decks, an early Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, draw and discard for madness could be a fun combo too. So many ideas, it's gonna be great!

There are some real big hitting plansewalkers in this set, no doubt about that, although it looks like we'll have to wait 'til Eldritch Moon for Liliana of the Veil v2. It'll be a shame if she's not in the story somewhere.

[Darkwing]

Originally posted by mirrors-edge:

Liliana of the Veil v2. It'll be a shame if she's not in the story somewhere.

not gonna happen, but, we will get to wet our beaks with Emrakul. He's there. Trust me. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen.

[5chwarte666]

Originally posted by ๓เรtค єк๏:

Originally posted by mirrors-edge:

Liliana of the Veil v2. It'll be a shame if she's not in the story somewhere.

not gonna happen, but, we will get to wet our beaks with Emrakul. He's there. Trust me. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen.

Well that probally Ruin the entire iNistrad block sry that not gonna happen :D Emrakul is there but not in this block, and only because a youtuber say that that must be not gonna happend ;) but it will a interestend plot twist

[Darkwing]

Originally posted by Maskenhaft:

Originally posted by ๓เรtค єк๏:

not gonna happen, but, we will get to wet our beaks with Emrakul. He's there. Trust me. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen.

Well that probally Ruin the entire iNistrad block sry that not gonna happen :D Emrakul is there but not in this block, and only because a youtuber say that that must be not gonna happend ;) but it will a interestend plot twist

He/She is in Eldritch Moon.