Will I face Liliana the last hope in Arena?

[Supermaori]

I hope not. Because I HATE LILIANA THE LAST HOPE SO MUCH!
With this PW and cards that force your opponent to sacrifice a creature, to me, it's just auto lose. That card can dominate and control the board so easily but she is ONLY 3 cost!!! 3!!! It's just so broken in my opinion.

I have questions.
1. WHY are some of PWs (Liliana last hope, Nissa voice of zendikar, Gideon Ally of zendikar) just so OP compered to the other PWs. Look at their cost! It's definitely broken.
2. Will Magic Arena have all of playable cards in Magic Duels? SO will I face her in Arena too?
3. How do you manage to beat those PWs without vehicles. I know vehicles are so good against PWs. But what happen when your deck has no vehicle? I run a deck with tons of haste creatures but didn't work at all. They just kept destroy or force me to sacrifice my creatures.

[pjfeigel]

Originally posted by Supermaori:

Will I face Liliana the last hope in Arena?

Doubtful. They said they'd start with Standard (KLD/AKH, AKH/HOU and IXL) and go from there.

EMN might be included later, but that's not confirmed.

1. WHY are some of PWs (Liliana last hope, Nissa voice of zendikar, Gideon Ally of zendikar) just so OP compered to the other PWs. Look at their cost! It's definitely broken.

Not every cards can be on the same power level as others. Nor should they.

2. Will Magic Arena have all of playable cards in Magic Duels? SO will I face her in Arena too?

Like I said, they said they'd have all the cards in Standard; KLD till present.

They may add older cards (ie. Origins - EMN), but there's no guarantees.

3. How do you manage to beat those PWs without vehicles. I know vehicles are so good against PWs. But what happen when your deck has no vehicle?

Attack them. Deal noncombat damage to them. Destroy them. Exile them. Arrest them. Imprison them. etc. There are plenty of options.

[Captain_Narol]

1. Because Magic is not well balanced.

2. No, only those still in current standard format

3. There is lots of cards that can help you kill PW (I think I killed 6 in a raw once in a game, that was fun), use your brain to find which ones and stuff your deck with them.

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dont cry!!

[Wavekid]

run glorybringers

[zoiks]

Originally posted by pjfeigel:

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They said they'd start with Standard (KLD/AKH, AKH/HOU and IXL) and go from there.

EMN might be included later, but that's not confirmed.

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Like I said, they said they'd have all the cards in Standard; KLD till present.

They may add older cards (ie. Origins - EMN), but there's no guarantees.

I just want to point this out again, since I think you and others are going to be very disappointed if/when you get in the Arena beta...

All they have said so far is that they intend to use only Standard format in Arena, at least for now, and that the beta is starting with JUST Ixalan. In the future they have said they will add new sets as they come out, I haven't seen anything at all about implementing older sets. Maybe? But it's pretty clear their intent is to follow Duels example of starting with a single set and build to Standard, only this time it seems they intend to actually limit it to Standard.

What happens when they have to rotate out Ixalan? They haven't said anything there either beyond that there will be something players can do with obsolete cards, most likely a crafting/recycling system ala Hearthstone... Possibly they'll implement Modern format and eventually phase out MtGO, but since they've specifically said no to card trading I find that unlikely since the buy-in costs for larger card count formats would rapidly become insane.

[pjfeigel]

Originally posted by zoiks:

All they have said so far is that they intend to use only Standard format in Arena, at least for now,

Yeah... And, they have a whole year to decide how to handle rotation.

and that the beta is starting with JUST Ixalan.

[Citation Needed]

Did you pay attention to the announcement video? In the first game, the guy played Samut, the Tested. You know... the Planeswalker from HOUR OF DEVASTATION.

[zoiks]

Originally posted by pjfeigel:

Yeah... And, they have a whole year to decide how to handle rotation.

Not if they include old sets like you're hoping.

[Citation Needed]

From the WotC FAQ at https://magic.wizards.com/en/mtgarena/faq:

Q. What types of Magic: The Gathering cards and formats will people be able to play on MTG Arena?
A. During the Closed Beta, we'll start with Constructed play, where you can build decks using all 279 cards from the upcoming Magic set Ixalan. We plan to add Draft and Ranked Constructed later. Our goal for launch is to include all Standard-legal Magic cards. We have a long roadmap of features planned for MTG Arena and will share each one when we're ready for your feedback

I suppose if you're an extreme optimist you can choose to read that as "...as well as the rest of Standard". But considering their goal for launch (probably meaning hard launch not soft launch/open beta) is full Standard, I'd say it's pretty darned unlikely they'll have it during the closed beta.

Did you pay attention to the announcement video? In the first game, the guy played Samut, the Tested. You know... the Planeswalker from HOUR OF DEVASTATION.

Good god, no, once I found out there was no AI and no 2HG there was no way in heck I was going to watch an hour long infomercial/hype train for a game I wasn't going to play in the forseeable future. Was there a significant number of non-Ixalan cards? Because otherwise I'd just chalk that up to them not wanting to spoil the Ixalan planewalkers at that point.

You're welcome to expect full Standard in the closed beta if you want.

[pjfeigel]

Originally posted by zoiks:

Not if they include old sets like you're hoping.

Who said I was "hoping" for anything? I'm simply stating the what the have Devs said.

You're making assumptions about me. Don't do that.

Was there a significant number of non-Ixalan cards? Because otherwise I'd just chalk that up to them not wanting to spoil the Ixalan planewalkers at that point.

The majority of the cards shown were from Ixalan, because the two people got to make their own deck. What expansions the other cards in their deck were from, which we didn't get to see, is anyone's guess.

But, to state that they were only from Ixalan is factually wrong.

[Captain_Narol]

Anyway, that a card appears in the announcement video doesn't mean it will be in the closed beta, as the guys in the video play a test version not the one that will be accessible for us then.

So far, as zoiks rightly underlined, the only thing we know about cards available in the closed beta is that there will be the 279 cards from Ixalan, nothng else.

[zoiks]

In case anyone here is interested... Apparently the latest Arena Twitch stream shed some more light on what the beta will be like.

I got my information from this thread on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/72uvoz/mtg_arena_qa_live_stream_is_up_and_running_on/

And you can still watch the streams on Twitch here:
https://www.twitch.tv/magic/videos/all

A few highlights...

• The closed beta will begin some time in November.
  
  
• As it says in the FAQ, they have confirmed that the closed beta will start with JUST Ixalan, but they also confirmed that they intend to eventually add both the Kaladesh and Amonkhet blocks in addition to new sets as they are released.
  
  
• They will not allow disabling of the animations.
  
  
• There will be collection wipes during the beta.
  
  
• As they said before, there will be no card trading in Arena, but they do intend for there to be a way to get singles. They haven't decided what that will be yet though.

[altaïr]

Originally posted by Daegoth Vilfariel:

Regarding Liliana the last hope. I'm pretty sure there is a bug with that card.

Her +1 ability to make a creature have -2-1 till next turn, if there are not creatures in the field, she still can activate it. I don't get it.

dude delete this before someone burns you..

[altaïr]

Originally posted by Daegoth Vilfariel:

Originally posted by altaïr:

dude delete this before someone burns you..

Explain me then.

It says "up to one target creature gets -2/-1 until your next turn". So you either target one creature or none at all.

[Captain_Narol]

I hope there will be crafting, like in Hearthstone and most digital CGGs that actually exists, as it's a good way to get the singles you need.

I'm desappointed that the beta won't start before November, and that proves even more how much the abandon of Duels was decided too early as people are currently left in the void and many will move to other concurrent games.