WTFast Gamers Private Network (GPN)

WTFast Gamers Private Network (GPN)

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A detailed explination on how WTFast will make connections faster by adding another connection point between you and your' server.
It won't.
As someone who has vast experience in server hosting for online gaming I can say that WTFast is not a magical seperate internet for games. It is not an entirely new ISP system for people to connect to. Simply adding another point for your connection inbetween
Your computer > Your router > Your Isp > Where the connection is going > Servers ISP > Servers router > Server computer
will not do any of the following;
  • Decrease ping
  • Decrease packet size
  • Cause routers to work faster than they can
  • Create a private ISP for your data to travel through
  • Reduce ping spikes (deviations in connection speed)
  • Reduce "Bad router hops." as there is no such thing. Data only needs to travel through the necessary routers

What WTFast will howerver do for you is;

  • Increase your ping by adding additional steps for your connection to travel through
  • Decrease your FPS (Frames per second) by adding additional load onto your CPU from running all of it's networking and graphing features.
  • Set off anti cheating and anti piracy features in games that use them by acting as an intrusive networking tool, changing packet information and routing inbetween your comptuer and the destination comptuer/server
  • Mostlikely get you VAC banned on a good number of steam games

    Anyone who would like to provide counter arguments and points is welcome here to discuss the mystery of this programs existance, or why I may be wrong.

    Ps. I have recorded this post and will be putting it up on reddit in the event of it's deletion.
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LCG 2015年3月23日 13時36分 
I used this programm a while ago when i was playing Blade&Soul in Korea and China. I do not pretend to understand how that software works but i during my time in Korea i noticed a difference with and without it. Pretty sure it was not a placebo.

When i was playing in China, WTF gave the worst results of all such programms, basically no difference if you used it or not. I had an international guild of around 70 members from the whole world and for all of them it was the same.
I dunno how the performance of that software changed since i don´t play Blade&Soul anymore but for everyone who plan to play asian mmos from EU/NA i would recommend first to try out any other common programm than WTF.

WTFast is clearly trying to scam people out of money. Basically it's just a proxy routing service for games that makes no real difference in your internet or ping speed because it really depends on your ISP speed.

On top of that, not to long ago the scam boys from WTFast tried to have a kickstarter going to sell people a WTFast gaming Router. Thankfully they didn't reach thier goal on time though.
And again, it promised to reduce lag and all that junk when really again, it depends on your ISP...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rob-bartlett/wtfast-gaming-router
WTFast の投稿を引用:
We did actual scientific testing to confirm that we actually CAN improve online connections with a proxy network. We wouldn't have pursued the business otherwise.

doesnt mean a thing, as your credibilty is now shot to ribbons, and we can also raise the question if the people who did the 'scientific testing' were bribed can't we?
最近の変更はportiaevlが行いました; 2015年3月23日 13時45分
A scam service provided by criminals (bribery is a federal offense) by a child that screams, throws tantrums and name calls in a forum. This service is so pro.
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The both of "you" have a steam level of 0 (meaning you have no games, free or purchased, and have your accounts private.. I SMELL DUMMY ACCOUNTS.

LOL, seriously? Says Zero the Dragon with a Steam Level 0 account?

Your misinformation and ignorance does not change the fact that WTFast actually does work.

Seriously, is this how you plan on improving your product? by arguing and bickering with people who had a bad experience with your product? Well, congratulations on making tens of thousands of WTFast users happy, what about the bigger number that are not satisfied and are more irritated by the way you handle business? You are a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke and a poor representative to your product. You are making the WTFast experience even worse than it already is. Im pretty sure WTFast didnt pay you to swing your ♥♥♥♥ around here, somebody report this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to the company.
Jaiiba 2015年3月23日 15時16分 
Wow, is true, there are trolls here after all. It's funny how people say this is a scam without even trying the free version, which is free! "B-But there is a premium version! So it's scaaam!", well uneducated friend, you used the free version and you found it doesn't work; uninstall it and voila! you were scammed? But that dude that lives in Austraila, uses the FREE versions and now he can evade skillshots and telegraphs, and gets satisfied with the -free- service and decide he can spend more for an even better service, did he got scammed?

I personally have found programs like WTFast and Pingzapper useful because I don't live -by far- near to the servers of the games I play, and after countless hours of testing, I have found that, indeed, they work to reduce my ping and help me to perform better.
Zuz 2015年3月23日 15時19分 
Jaibamon の投稿を引用:
Wow, is true, there are trolls here after all. It's funny how people say this is a scam without even trying the free version, which is free! "B-But there is a premium version! So it's scaaam!", well uneducated friend, you used the free version and you found it doesn't work; uninstall it and voila! you were scammed? But that dude that lives in Austraila, uses the FREE versions and now he can evade skillshots and telegraphs, and gets satisfied with the -free- service and decide he can spend more for an even better service, did he got scammed?

I personally have found programs like WTFast and Pingzapper useful because I don't live -by far- near to the servers of the games I play, and after countless hours of testing, I have found that, indeed, they work to reduce my ping and help me to perform better.

Still tryin' for that free month of premium I see.
Jaiiba 2015年3月23日 15時29分 
Zero the Dragon の投稿を引用:
Still tryin' for that free month of premium I see.

If you have an argument I would like to hear it.
KRosen 2015年3月23日 16時01分 
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the dev is nothing more than a scammer, obviously.

cant believe that steam actually allows this to be sold on here.

go sell your snake oil somewhere else

Put your blinders on, stick your head in the ground, hide in your cave, keep using your awesome dial-up connection...

We are not selling snake oil. WTFast is free to try so you can see for yourself. If you don't bother to even try WTFast and/or understand how it is possible for us to reroute traffic around the world using our global intelligent proxy network, that's your loss.

We are changing how the Internet works. You keep using your version of the Internet and get PWNed in the face over and over. We will use our version of the Internet and win!


This is incredibly embarrassing from what is supposed to be a representative of a professional company.

And no, I am NOT private, and I am NOT level 0.

The idea of you "changing the internet" with a paid proxy service is as stupid as people thinking AOL was superior to the general WWW, or people who though solar roadways was a feasible idea.

Stop trying to be "1337" and acting like you just want to "pwn noobs" and talk to your potential customers like they are adults, and you wouldn't be in the mess you are now.
Cae 2015年3月23日 17時30分 
How many of you memelords have even tried the thing? You could just try the free trial but I suppose it's easier to just jump on the bandwagon and act like you're offended about "bribery".
xSonic521x の投稿を引用:
Did, did they really just act unprofessional regardless of a persons insult and insult said person by essentially calling them poor when they have a level 54 steam profile and over 2,000 games..? What..?

No, no no, but yes.
What they did can also be described as "Professional Suicide".
最近の変更はIvana Humpalotが行いました; 2015年3月23日 19時20分
Zuz 2015年3月24日 2時34分 
Cae の投稿を引用:
How many of you memelords have even tried the thing? You could just try the free trial but I suppose it's easier to just jump on the bandwagon and act like you're offended about "bribery".

I'm offended by the fact of what they're trying to sell is "Literally impossible and defys the laws of physics and networking." You may quote me on that.
spoof 2015年3月24日 2時37分 
trying to sell the fact that buying positive reviews is to make the software better.
bridge for sale anyone?
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Zero the Dragon の投稿を引用:
Still tryin' for that free month of premium I see.

If you have an argument I would like to hear it.

Decided to try it, didn't lower my ping at all. On the bright side it didn't personally raise it like some people mentioned.
WTFast の投稿を引用:
Do you understand how proxy technology works? It works by redirecting your data to another server. We have an intelligent global proxy network of over 150 servers that allow us to change how data flows across the Internet from end to end.

We do exactly what we advertise, we have flipped the traditional internet model upside down, optimizing data flow from the client's perspective. Our technology is not perfect, it is a very complicated problem. We are constantly improving on our tech to make it as easy to use as possible, as there are many things that can go wrong with an Internet connection, at any time.

Very clearly you can see from negative reviews in Steam that not everyone is getting a good experience with WTFast, but we are working on it. We get great results for tens of thousands of users around the world, and that will continue to grow.
So you took the OSI model and reversed the process? Do you not know what you're saying? Seriously, read carefully what you're promising. Now contemplate what you're doing slowly. Here let me break down what a VPN does for you. Your program IS a VPN after all.

Lets start in the first layer of the OSI model. The Application section usually is the game, actually you can generally spread that across the first three bits of the OSI model since not only does the game itself handle the Application segment, but the Presentation and Session. So there covers what the game itself stands as in the OSI model.

Now lets toss your self-proclaimed "Game Private Network" into the equation. Already this is stepping into a direction thats going to cause problems. Specifically because you're not really flipping this OSI model upside-down, but you're actually doubling the Host layers, and the packet layer, and the frame layer. This obviously increases the OSI model path to about 12 or 13 steps. And does that sound bad to the rest of you? I'd hope so, because that actually increases the packet size needed to transmit the data that typically belongs to your game.

Now why does it increase the size? Mostly because its coming from the game, which was SUPPOSED to only go from the game, out onto the Physical layer, and back up the OSI model where, you typically have that packet end on the server-side of the game. Or in this case, you pass through this OSI model an additional set of times to actually make it to the game's server, or in some game's cases, the second player itself if its a Peer 2 Peer connection.

tl;dr
The use of a VPN for a game is typically advised strongly against because lets be serious here, its not taking out the middle man. Its actually adding another, likely unreliable middle man to the equation, that may not even work in the first place. And you bribing people with free time with your subscription system that if anyone actually uses it, its probably to pirate a game or something, using a cheap and easily exploited VPN like this.
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