I refuse to accept this is the same Batman

[Skungis]

Not because of what he does or how he acts or even the general quality of the game, in fact I've enjoyed it for the most part, I just refuse to accept that this story we've been following for years ends with Harley shooting him in the head in a borderline joke scene. The only way I can feel decent about this and have any hope for Arkham sequels is to say this is just a potential future of that timeline. A worst case scenario where our favorite characters get quick, meaningless deaths that are punctuated by some of the worst jokes I've ever heard. Otherwise, it's confirming there will never be any Arkham sequels by literally killing the franchise which just feels insulting to the, what, decade of these games?

Edit: Don't care about respecting the character, I care that all of the Arkham games lead up to something so offhanded. Like if the main character of a reboot just shot the old protagonist in a joke scene, I'm not losing sleep since the original exists but it's still an odd choice that basically says "too bad, no more of that guy"

[Nocturno]

It's official in the Arkham verse. So it's over.

[Q]

Nah not canon, the true devs of arkham series r long gone, the ones who made this abomination have nothing to do with good ol arkham games. this game is fornite with harley quinn, imagine comparing it with the best batman games on pc.

[Mike]

SPOILERS FYI



How is it insulting? We literally got FOUR excellent Batman games from his start all the way to his "end" and his story was practically done. You also act as if this was a story about Batman and they did him dirty in his own game when that is not the case at all as he is a SIDE character.

This is a SUICIDE SQUAD story that happens to have the Arkham Batman as a villain (like it or not) so its is 100% in character for Harley to want to blow batman to smithereens and blow his brains out lol.

I personally don't get these type of arguments because they all seem it ignore the literal POINT of the SSKTJL story. Batman had his day and they were the best super hero games ever made, but this is not about Batman anymore so why do people still act like it is?

I've made the argument in other places that I was actually more disappointed that the deaths of the JL members was not more gruesome/shocking to the players, given the history of very violent DC animations. This was TAME compared to the Injustice series and the Justice League Dark series were almost every hero gets violently brutalized with very little fan fare or respect lol.

This is nothing new in the DC universe and they should have made the deaths even more shocking.

My question is why did not every JL member have a moment when brainiac was not in control so they could see the destruction that they have caused (like the Flash), this is what I really wanted to see, but instead we just get these unceremonious death scenes where they lay dead riddled with bullets. Wonder Woman's death was the best scene in the game imo and ALL of the death scenes should have been framed like hers.

[heave N hell]

i dont understand if they were just gonna make a game like this should just made it where we played AS the JL , peopel woulda gobbled that up. hell i woulda bought it

[Kashra Fall]

Unless it is explained in the story somewhere. Why did Batman come back from "Retirement." at all to fight brainiac in the first place? He faked his death at the end of Arkham Knight and used the fear serum from scarecrow to instill fear in the thugs, but not fight them. I did notice segments of the game he uses that serum, but why did he come out of "Retirement.", knowing full well he couldn't do a thing to brainiac in the first place? They could of left batman completely out of the picture.

[Tentacule Un Seigneur]

Originally posted by ardsf:

i dont understand if they were just gonna make a game like this should just made it where we played AS the JL , peopel woulda gobbled that up. hell i woulda bought it

Agreed....would have LOVED a game where I got to play as the different members of the Justice League using their various powers (And in the Arkham series tried and true style, rather than whatever this is). But programming that likely would have been much harder than a loot shooter.....less easy to monetize too.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Unless it is explained in the story somewhere. Why did Batman come back from "Retirement." at all to fight brainiac in the first place? He faked his death at the end of Arkham Knight and used the fear serum from scarecrow to instill fear in the thugs, but not fight them. I did notice segments of the game he uses that serum, but why did he come out of "Retirement.", knowing full well he couldn't do a thing to brainiac in the first place? They could of left batman completely out of the picture.

Its was briefly mentioned that the Batman was part of the JL long before Brainiac invaded, but I don't know if the game every gives a solid time frame from Arkham knight to the time of this game.

Also if the JL is involved at all Batman has to be part of it imo, so it would have been a dumb idea to leave him out just so Arkham fans would not get upset.

EDIT: I actually think if that if they had to stick to the SS I believe the squad going on crazy missions for waller to fight private militaries, take down rogue villians,etc would have been a very interesting game. Maybe something more grounded and lower stakes then the SS saving the world against one of DC biggest villians.

[Vedren]

Originally posted by Skungis:

Not because of what he does or how he acts or even the general quality of the game, in fact I've enjoyed it for the most part, I just refuse to accept that this story we've been following for years ends with Harley shooting him in the head in a borderline joke scene. The only way I can feel decent about this and have any hope for Arkham sequels is to say this is just a potential future of that timeline. A worst case scenario where our favorite characters get quick, meaningless deaths that are punctuated by some of the worst jokes I've ever heard. Otherwise, it's confirming there will never be any Arkham sequels by literally killing the franchise which just feels insulting to the, what, decade of these games?

This isn't the story you've been following for years. This is the Suicide Squad's story not Batman's. IMO they did this pretty well. Batman facing a formidable team of the worlds best assassin, a demi-god, Harley (the closest thing left to a Batman expert), and a boomerang guy who seems to have uncanny luck. All backed by the government and a handful of other villains.

Batman is no longer on his A-game , because of well age and the fact that he is being puppeted by brainic and ultimately does not get to make his own decisions, so Batman dying was brainiac not letting him do his normal thing. They then gave Batman like a 3 or 4 minute thing with Lois Lane at the end credits which was nice but weird as she isn't married to him lol seems like she woulda done this for supes before bats but whatever.

After Arkham Knight they said they were done with Batman games so we already knew Batman Arkham was over, so no real surprise he was killed off but the surprise was that he was in the game to begin with.

[ExaKel]

I just pretend it's an alternate arkham universe.

[Cubertino]

All this just for cheap shock value. I hope it was worth it, Rocksteady.

[Skungis]

Originally posted by Mike:

SPOILERS FYI



How is it insulting? We literally got FOUR excellent Batman games from his start all the way to his "end" and his story was practically done. You also act as if this was a story about Batman and they did him dirty in his own game when that is not the case at all as he is a SIDE character.

This is a SUICIDE SQUAD story that happens to have the Arkham Batman as a villain (like it or not) so its is 100% in character for Harley to want to blow batman to smithereens and blow his brains out lol.

I personally don't get these type of arguments because they all seem it ignore the literal POINT of the SSKTJL story. Batman had his day and they were the best super hero games ever made, but this is not about Batman anymore so why do people still act like it is?

I've made the argument in other places that I was actually more disappointed that the deaths of the JL members was not more gruesome/shocking to the players, given the history of very violent DC animations. This was TAME compared to the Injustice series and the Justice League Dark series were almost every hero gets violently brutalized with very little fan fare or respect lol.

This is nothing new in the DC universe and they should have made the deaths even more shocking.

My question is why did not every JL member have a moment when brainiac was not in control so they could see the destruction that they have caused (like the Flash), this is what I really wanted to see, but instead we just get these unceremonious death scenes where they lay dead riddled with bullets. Wonder Woman's death was the best scene in the game imo and ALL of the death scenes should have been framed like hers.

Not sure how you don't get that killing off the exact character from the exact franchise you yourself say is excellent is insulting to that exact character. Like "This is the end of the story of those four incredible games. After an incredible story you loved, that guy just gets blasted in the head in a park and is made a joke". Woopdie doo it's in character, who cares, it's not in character for the Arkham Batman to get murdered like he meant nothing. Make it in another universe, make it an alternate timeline, don't literally ♥♥♥♥ on a character we all love.
This is not Justice League Dark or any other property where we have no history with the character, it's a character and a story we've followed for years that is ended as a joke in a subpar story, how do you not get how that's insulting?

[Skungis]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Unless it is explained in the story somewhere. Why did Batman come back from "Retirement." at all to fight brainiac in the first place? He faked his death at the end of Arkham Knight and used the fear serum from scarecrow to instill fear in the thugs, but not fight them. I did notice segments of the game he uses that serum, but why did he come out of "Retirement.", knowing full well he couldn't do a thing to brainiac in the first place? They could of left batman completely out of the picture.

If you look at all of the displays in the Batman experience they explain that Batman faked his death but then after Superman and a few other metas showed up he came out of retirement and formed the Justice League. It's a pretty half assed explanation but it's there. It's literally the last display after they tell the whole story of Arkham Knight, it just says "And then after Superman showed up, Bruce told everyone he faked his death and then they made the Justice League, the end".

[Insomniac Jack]

At the end of the last microtransaction dlc we will find out that it was all dream.

[Skungis]

Originally posted by Vedren:

Originally posted by Skungis:

Not because of what he does or how he acts or even the general quality of the game, in fact I've enjoyed it for the most part, I just refuse to accept that this story we've been following for years ends with Harley shooting him in the head in a borderline joke scene. The only way I can feel decent about this and have any hope for Arkham sequels is to say this is just a potential future of that timeline. A worst case scenario where our favorite characters get quick, meaningless deaths that are punctuated by some of the worst jokes I've ever heard. Otherwise, it's confirming there will never be any Arkham sequels by literally killing the franchise which just feels insulting to the, what, decade of these games?

This isn't the story you've been following for years. This is the Suicide Squad's story not Batman's. IMO they did this pretty well. Batman facing a formidable team of the worlds best assassin, a demi-god, Harley (the closest thing left to a Batman expert), and a boomerang guy who seems to have uncanny luck. All backed by the government and a handful of other villains.

Batman is no longer on his A-game , because of well age and the fact that he is being puppeted by brainic and ultimately does not get to make his own decisions, so Batman dying was brainiac not letting him do his normal thing. They then gave Batman like a 3 or 4 minute thing with Lois Lane at the end credits which was nice but weird as she isn't married to him lol seems like she woulda done this for supes before bats but whatever.

After Arkham Knight they said they were done with Batman games so we already knew Batman Arkham was over, so no real surprise he was killed off but the surprise was that he was in the game to begin with.

Setting it in the same universe made by the same company means it's a continuation of the overall Arkham story. Having the same characters and plot points and designs means the story we followed for years ends with this game and that just feels insulting to the greater story.
Literally all they had to do was change the designs or story slightly so that it's not set in the same universe and you'd be totally right, but they intentionally chose to set it in that world so people would buy it and then they killed off the character they spent years developing. In isolation I totally agree, it works as a story and I enjoyed that aspect, but I had to convince myself it wasn't in the universe they basically wouldn't stop insisting the story took place in.

[Frieren]

Originally posted by Skungis:

Not because of what he does or how he acts or even the general quality of the game, in fact I've enjoyed it for the most part, I just refuse to accept that this story we've been following for years ends with Harley shooting him in the head in a borderline joke scene. The only way I can feel decent about this and have any hope for Arkham sequels is to say this is just a potential future of that timeline. A worst case scenario where our favorite characters get quick, meaningless deaths that are punctuated by some of the worst jokes I've ever heard. Otherwise, it's confirming there will never be any Arkham sequels by literally killing the franchise which just feels insulting to the, what, decade of these games?

Don't worry, you will get to kill him again 8 more times when they sell you a 30$ dlc for each multiverse.