Rocksteady Deleting Negative Reviews - Report Them

[Dan]

I have personally seen negative reviews being deleted. Do not trust the score of this game. They are committing fraud.

I suggest you use the flag to report this game on their page for fraud and explain they are manipulating the score, so that Steam can punish them and maybe undelete reviews.

[Dr. Jester]

Publicado originalmente por potato:

2937 + 461 is the total

if you hover over it it also says the total

Publicado originalmente por ד"ר ג'סטר:

It needs a history, if Steam reviews are deleted, the numbers here will change accordingly. I hope you understand that to make the claim you made, you need a history of reviews, a tracker that tracks the reviews made by hour, positive and negative, to be able to compare and support your argument.

you don't understand how steamdb works, if the reviews on steam were being deleted then steamdb would have different numbers

oh jesus christ...

SteamDB shows what SteamAPI reports, which is what the Steam Store reports. I can't believe I have to explain this. I think you may be a troll, that is the only reason.
Especially because you have your profile blocked. Which means I am wasting my time explaining to you that the argument you made makes no sense and can not be supported with the data at hand.

[Izunyami]

Publicado originalmente por Sledge Hammer!:

Publicado originalmente por Izunyami:

Good luck, let go of that rage.

They can't. They go on this "anti-woke jihad" in every forum I've seen them in. That's why I just block them and ignore them.

You're mixing people up. He isn't being anti-woke, he's just dealing with false information and ignorance of how things work (he's wrong about the exact algo that Steam uses to remove anomalous reviews but whatever).

[Izunyami]

Publicado originalmente por ד"ר ג'סטר:

Publicado originalmente por potato:

2937 + 461 is the total

if you hover over it it also says the total
you don't understand how steamdb works, if the reviews on steam were being deleted then steamdb would have different numbers

oh jesus christ...

SteamDB shows what SteamAPI reports, which is what the Steam Store reports. I can't believe I have to explain this. I think you may be a troll, that is the only reason.
Especially because you have your profile blocked. Which means I am wasting my time explaining to you that the argument you made makes no sense and can not be supported with the data at hand.

I literally proved his point by using Dead by Daylight. Go away, this topic is over, you are all wrong.

[potato]

Publicado originalmente por ד"ר ג'סטר:

SteamDB shows what SteamAPI reports, which is what the Steam Store reports. I can't believe I have to explain this. I think you may be a troll, that is the only reason.
Especially because you have your profile blocked. Which means I am wasting my time explaining to you that the argument you made makes no sense and can not be supported with the data at hand.

yea and if the steamapi reported 5k reviews and then they some were deleted, then steamdb would show 5k reviews and steam would show less than 5k reviews

you keep proving that you don't know how steamdb works

also the fact you resorted to dismissing my points based on profile being private means you lost the argument even if you were right about me

[Brohan Creates]

Publicado originalmente por ד"ר ג'סטר:

Publicado originalmente por potato:

2937 + 461 is the total

if you hover over it it also says the total
you don't understand how steamdb works, if the reviews on steam were being deleted then steamdb would have different numbers

oh jesus christ...

SteamDB shows what SteamAPI reports, which is what the Steam Store reports. I can't believe I have to explain this. I think you may be a troll, that is the only reason.
Especially because you have your profile blocked. Which means I am wasting my time explaining to you that the argument you made makes no sense and can not be supported with the data at hand.

He is. Hes in many forums and all he does is just argue argue argue. Just block and move on.

[exzyleph]

Publicado originalmente por Izunyami:

And to prove the point of this thread, Potato is right. Dead by Daylight is a notorious game to have been review bombed.

Steam's page has 510,696 total reviews currently. https://store.steampowered.com/app/381210/Dead_by_Daylight/?curator_clanid=36308017#app_reviews_hash
SteamDB has 708,006 reviews on their page
https://steamdb.info/app/381210/

If reviews from this game were being hidden/deleted, SteamDB's number would be different. This entire topic never actually happened.

The number of reviews on that store page does match SteamDB:

The 510,696 reviews you mention only includes purchases made on Steam, which was a change made a few years back due to developers abusing keys to inflate their review scores. But if you scroll down to the Reviews section and click on "Purchase Type", then you'll see that there are 708,369 reviews in total of which 510k were made by "Steam Purchasers". SteamDB is simply reporting the total number of reviews.

[Dr. Jester]

Publicado originalmente por potato:

Publicado originalmente por ד"ר ג'סטר:

SteamDB shows what SteamAPI reports, which is what the Steam Store reports. I can't believe I have to explain this. I think you may be a troll, that is the only reason.
Especially because you have your profile blocked. Which means I am wasting my time explaining to you that the argument you made makes no sense and can not be supported with the data at hand.

yea and if the steamapi reported 5k reviews and then they some were deleted, then steamdb would show 5k reviews and steam would show less than 5k reviews

you keep proving that you don't know how steamdb works

SteamDb would then report the numbers from Valve.

But looking at all the numbers, I think you can't trust either.

SteamDB is reporting one number, the top page of Steam is reporting a different number, hovering on the "Very Postive" at the bottom of the page is reporting a different number and clicking on "review type" is also reporting a different number.

All (3,474)
Positive (3,001)
Negative (473)

But this different number at the bottom completely matches the numbers shown on SteamDB

SteamDB doesn't "add" the total on their reviews, it reports what steamapi reports, if it has less, SteamDB will report less.

Troll hard.

[Izunyami]

Publicado originalmente por exzyleph:

Publicado originalmente por Izunyami:

And to prove the point of this thread, Potato is right. Dead by Daylight is a notorious game to have been review bombed.

Steam's page has 510,696 total reviews currently. https://store.steampowered.com/app/381210/Dead_by_Daylight/?curator_clanid=36308017#app_reviews_hash
SteamDB has 708,006 reviews on their page
https://steamdb.info/app/381210/

If reviews from this game were being hidden/deleted, SteamDB's number would be different. This entire topic never actually happened.

The number of reviews on that store page does match SteamDB:

The 510,696 reviews you mention only includes purchases made on Steam, which was a change made a few years back due to developers abusing keys to inflate their review scores. But if you scroll down to the Reviews section and click on "Purchase Type", then you'll see that there are 708,369 reviews in total of which 560k were made by "Steam Purchasers". SteamDB is simply reporting the total number of reviews.

You are correct yet still wrong.
The reviews on "all" is 708,369 which is still 300 over what SteamDB has.

[exzyleph]

Publicado originalmente por Izunyami:

You are correct yet still wrong.
The reviews on "all" is 708,369 which is still 300 over what SteamDB has.

SteamDB isn't updated in real-time, so that most likely reflects the difference between the number of reviews at the time when SteamDB last queried Steam for information about this game and the current number of reviews.

But even if we assumed that this wasn't the case, how would more reviews on Steam than on SteamDB be evidence of deleted reviews? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

[Dr. Jester]

Publicado originalmente por Izunyami:

Publicado originalmente por exzyleph:

The number of reviews on that store page does match SteamDB:

The 510,696 reviews you mention only includes purchases made on Steam, which was a change made a few years back due to developers abusing keys to inflate their review scores. But if you scroll down to the Reviews section and click on "Purchase Type", then you'll see that there are 708,369 reviews in total of which 560k were made by "Steam Purchasers". SteamDB is simply reporting the total number of reviews.

You are correct yet still wrong.
The reviews on "all" is 708,369 which is still 300 over what SteamDB has.

All it says is that SteamDB doesn't update every moment there is something new. And 300 is within the margin of error.

So you are wrong, and your argument is bad. Including the other guy's argument who insists SteamDB simply adds reviews and never decreases them.

[Izunyami]

Publicado originalmente por exzyleph:

Publicado originalmente por Izunyami:

You are correct yet still wrong.
The reviews on "all" is 708,369 which is still 300 over what SteamDB has.

SteamDB isn't updated in real-time, so that most likely reflects the difference between the number of reviews at the time when SteamDB last queried Steam for information about this game and the current number of reviews.

But even if we assumed that this wasn't the case, how would more reviews on Steam than on SteamDB be evidence of deleted reviews? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

While I want to say this is true, we're talking about an old, old game compared to a brand new, hot-button game. While we can't compare timestamps of review postings, I doubt Ded by Daylight received >300 reviews within whatever potential timeframe steamDB refreshes data on... yet Suicide Squad has had 0 within that timeframe.

I highly, highly doubt that.

If SteamDB independently collects review data from Steam and doesn't just copy-paste cache the review page, then SteamDB's review count would be different because it would hold data for reviews that no longer exist on Steam. A lot of archival sites do this. It isn't even a new concept.

How would it be the other way around anyway? If Steam is allegedly REMOVING reviews from their site, then that would mean the number is decreasing. How would SteamDB end up lower? That's straight illogical.

[Izunyami]

Publicado originalmente por ד"ר ג'סטר:

Publicado originalmente por Izunyami:

You are correct yet still wrong.
The reviews on "all" is 708,369 which is still 300 over what SteamDB has.

All it says is that SteamDB doesn't update every moment there is something new. And 300 is within the margin of error.

So you are wrong, and your argument is bad. Including the other guy's argument who insists SteamDB simply adds reviews and never decreases them.

So why is Suicide Squad's review count exactly the same. SteamDB - Steam = 0 levels of exact. If SteamDB doesn't refresh their data constantly but has some time difference between updates, the probability of a brand new game, especially one that is allegedly getting tons of negative reviews added/removed, having less frequent reviews added than an old, ancient game is insanely low.

You're just coping with no argument or logic.

[william_shreffler]

Publicado originalmente por ד"ר ג'סטר:

Publicado originalmente por potato:

if you were talking about that you should've said that right from the start, that policy has nothing to do with refunds, or whether they're negative or not, it's for off-topic reviewsuh, did you read what i said? if reviews on steam were being deleted then the number of reviews on steamdb would be higher than on steam

useless...? it proves that there are no reviews being deleted

35,029 followers
#15 in top sellers
2,937 positive reviews
461 negative reviews
86.43% positive reviews


This is what it says.

No total.

It needs a history, if Steam reviews are deleted, the numbers here will change accordingly. I hope you understand that to make the claim you made, you need a history of reviews, a tracker that tracks the reviews made by hour, positive and negative, to be able to compare and support your argument.

Here is something that is off. Steam says it's #15 in top sellers but when I look at the top 100 sellers I see https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US I see Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege holds the number 15 spot.

Thank you,

[potato]

Publicado originalmente por william_shreffler:

Here is something that is off. Steam says it's #15 in top sellers but when I look at the top 100 sellers I see https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US I see Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege holds the number 15 spot.

Thank you,

cause steam shows global top sellers, you're looking at us top sellers, the list changes very often so you'll never seen the same game in the same spot all the time

https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/global

[Astasia]

I think people are confusing total reviews and scored reviews. Steam only tracks the ratings of people who buy the game directly on Steam, this is shown at the top of the store page as: "Very Positive (2,271)" If you scroll down to the bottom near the reviews it will also show you the reviews of people who activated the game by key, these reviews do not count toward the score because it's often developers handing out keys to people for free and is outside of Valve's control. At the bottom of the store page it says "Browse all 3474 Reviews." I would guess some people are seeing that bottom number and coming back later and seeing the top number and assuming reviews are being deleted because it's fewer reviews than they saw before, then exaggerating these numbers for effect or because they just misremembered.

Valve doesn't delete reviews, if it suspects "review bombing" it will take all submitted reviews from a period of time and make them not count toward the average score by default, but you can set your Steam preferences to ignore this mechanic and get the "real score." If a review breaks the ToS it's hidden, not deleted. Developers have no power to delete reviews, they can only report them or respond to them. Valve takes review manipulation very seriously and devs have had their games delisted and been permanently banned from Steam by just making tweets asking people to buy their game and give a positive review to support them.

I don't think this game is anywhere close to an 85% based on what I've seen and heard from people. I think it's sitting at that because most of the people who recognized the flaws avoided it, and the people who would give it a critical review based on the shortcomings haven't played enough yet to judge it. The people who have upvoted it so far are likely just DC fans that want to support DC games in hopes of getting more.