Why are people so mad about Batman? *Spoilers*

[Slayrix]

It doesn't make sense why so many people are mad about this, like I understand you are disappointed seeing one of your beloved characters die off, but to be mad and say that this makes no sense writing wise and it should've never happened and that it is not lore accurate is just wrong, even when looking at previous arkham lore.

This is all coming from someone who has extensively enjoyed the arkham games I've played all of them from origins to knight, hell they practically made up an entire part of my childhood, but eventually the time always comes to move on and that is what is happening here.

Here is my explanation for how Batman's death remains lore accurate. If we think back in the arkham games, batman getting captured is no new thing to him. In arkham city batman is captured by joker and is injected by his infected blood. In a smaller incident Bruce Wayne is captured by mercenaries in the beginning of arkham city as well. In arkham knight batman is captured by scarecrow and his entire identity is revealed. The fact is in these cases the villains were simply toying with Batman. So knowing all this, him getting captured by the suicide squad, a literal team of villains, is no surprise since as we have seen before in other arkham games, batman is susceptible to getting captured.

Then there is the head shot, which I would say remains pretty lore accurate, I mean batman is just a guy after all, no super powers or anything like that, he's just rich, so a bullet to the head would definitely do him in. As for why none of the other villains just killed him while he was in capture, like stated before they just wanted to toy with him, in this case though the suicide squad is done, they are determined to complete their mission, if that means putting a bullet in some rich guys head then so be it. All in all I think his death remains quite lore accurate so to say otherwise just seems wrong. If you disagree, oh well, you can keep coping but the fact is what is written is written and it's not changing.

[Orge Lambart]

Yeshalot a écrit :

Slayrix a écrit :

Also you seem so upset that "normal" people took out batman, but batman is also just a "normal" person, no super powers, he just has money, everything else he has was just trained, nothing superhuman about it, so a 3v1 all against "normal" people I would bet the team with 3 would win.

nope don't care if he loses to them, but it needs to make sense with the previous lore that was established. batman is leagues ahead of these guys even if they team up.

same with every other super hero. I'm all for killing them off in spectacular and cruel ways but it needs to be written well.

he's not really batman, he's being controlled by Brianiac so obviously he's not 100% himself.. which explains why any of the villains can destroy them..

As for any of the heroes dying, the whole game can be retconned to make future games for any of the heroes if need be.. That's the wonderful thing about video games, they don't really have to follow any coherent storyline. With that said, them retconning the game would kind of match up with DC cinematic universe as well since they don't really keep up with their storylines.. Atleast no where near the level of Marvel..

Even if they wanted to keep the game lore in the Arkham games, they can simply have the heroes being clones and the real heroes being imprisoned someone else.. Comic books have done lots of crazy stuff and it's not out of the realm of possibilities to think they'd follow suit in the games..

They don't even have to worry about that anyway because DC has lots of different universes anyway, so no matter what they do, the future games could just take place in a different universe and reset everything.

[Punished Jeremy]

Slayrix a écrit :

Punished Jeremy a écrit :

Its just a lame and disrespectful way to go about it. All the deaths are honestly. Like execution style? Really? They could have made the scene more meaningful, and thematic, but all they have is the same crappy banter across the whole game

How are they supposed to make more content for batman anyways, this was probably one of the last things he ever recorded, it's unfortunate this is the last thing, but maybe they had plans for things that took place before suicide squad in the universe.

Well obviously its a really dumb idea to connect this to the arkham series which had its own satisfying send off to the character. If this was explicately not connected, I dont think people would care as much. And you wouldnt have to do the dumb fake white deadshot retcon and the lazy off screen golden age of the justice league. Its just very clearly something that was slapped together to get the story they wanted. Nobody asked for it. Theres clearly no care here for the characters

[Dork_Stalker_310]

Because this whole thing feels like it was written by one of those twitter users with the "Batman is a rich man who beats people for fun, actually" attitude. The whole game feels like this, as if you are supposed to cheer as a bunch of freaks desecrate memories and corpses of beloved heroes. It’s not really about lore or power scaling – which is a big problem in itself, but that’s different topic – it’s about the way it was handled.
At least Diana got a proper send off.

[=^.^= Bigshow]

Mr. Bunce a écrit :

People have a vague idea about who Batman is and should be. They're committed to that pov. "He always has a contingency plan" is false. Many many many stories show this to be wrong.

It's just internet chuds being internet chuds.

us incel chuds are the most oppressed people in society. BILLIONS MUST DIE!

[Doge]

I agree. Batman is brainwashed and controlled by Brainiac which made him more stupid and careless. He became evil. Why would he waste his time preparing for contingencies for 4 imbeciles when he takes orders from his master? It's probably Brainiac that tells him to leave the Squad to his troops. And about this "willpower" to escape the brainwash that people are talking about here; If Green Lantern can't escape being brainwashed sure as ♥♥♥♥ Batman can't either. Nowhere in Arkham lore says that Batman has more willpower than Green Lantern in the series.

I've been playing with a friend and we are having a lot of fun. Thank god this game can be played coop or multiplayer.

[RoadDog]

imagine u talk about a game that u donw have. u use your free time... for trolling xD

even a VAC BAN xD says all about this OP

i didnt even read op xD

[DankSlayer]

Because
1. The voice actor for batman is literally dead and it feels super disrepectful how the character was treated in the game, when this version of batman is so iconic
2. Batman actually believed Harley could be helped and live a normal life and actually succeeded in helping her in various storylines, then Harley just mocks him and shoots him like a dog
3. All the male heroes in the game get humiliated and disrespected by Harley and Co, then with wonder woman Harley fangirls over her, WW just dies without the Suicide Squad's involvement and they're actually sad for her, after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on and murdering all the male heroes, including batman, voiced by a guy who is no longer alive.

[Elnidfse]

Speedian a écrit :

Slayrix a écrit :

Also its a little hard to believe that you go from Arkham Knight to Suicide Squad, causally glazing past such a big event as join to the justice league and then kill him again in another game. I don't care about this new Justice league as I have no experience with this new justice league as characters and they seem all like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that the get taken out in their first mass world crisis. Maybe if we had a game where we played as the Justice League first I'd give a ♥♥♥♥.

So yeah thats pretty disrespectful to all the characters, not only Batman.

The Justice League only works by taking your knowledge of the league as it exists in other medium to raise the impact of them even getting controlled and murked. But then they conveniently don't take any of the leagues accolades so who the hell are these people? They want it both ways. "Yes this is the Justice League you know and isn't it crazy that they're all mindwashed, and also "not this isn't the Justice League you know which is why it's possible for them to get mind washed".

Aside from that it's just the same trends that permeate most sequels these days when written by incompetents. Dump on the old to elevate the new.

[RamboKush]

I think it's more about the fact that Harley seems so smug about it. This is Arkham Harley, who hated on Batman because he kept messing up the Joker's plans. But this is also a Harley who now hates the Joker, and is far removed from that whole situation. Her killing Batman makes sense, she's still a villian. But why's she so smug about it? She's no reason to dislike him. And it's also the Arkham Batman. He should have gone out like John Marston or something. Not sitting on a parkbench like a homeless dude.

[HydroMacaroon]

JakeDeviant a écrit :

I thought he died in Arkham Knight with the whole Dark Knight Protocol? I'm confused can someone help me understand?

If you get the 100% ending it implies he faked his death, and continued to be Batman after a while.

[Krystof]

Slayrix a écrit :

JakeDeviant a écrit :

I thought he died in Arkham Knight with the whole Dark Knight Protocol? I'm confused can someone help me understand?

I guess he faked his death or something because honestly I thought the same thing

You guess he faked his death but you think how he dies in Suicide Squad is great. Doesn't sound like you know what you are talking about.

[Slayrix]

Krystof a écrit :

Slayrix a écrit :

I guess he faked his death or something because honestly I thought the same thing

You guess he faked his death but you think how he dies in Suicide Squad is great. Doesn't sound like you know what you are talking about.

I meant to say *guessed, as in past tense, but obviously I did a typo...

[LilDremmy]

Just throwing in the question that isn't it heavily implied in the Arkham series that batman inadvertently caused Harley to have a miscarriage? Certainly Bruce and the players were unaware of her pregnancy, but this can certainly explain why this is so personal for her.

[Punished Jeremy]

LilDremmy.ttv a écrit :

Just throwing in the question that isn't it heavily implied in the Arkham series that batman inadvertently caused Harley to have a miscarriage? Certainly Bruce and the players were unaware of her pregnancy, but this can certainly explain why this is so personal for her.

I dont think its portrayed as being any more important to her than the death of the joker or the general plan foiling. She still reacts to him the same way shes been since the start of the series. Maybe a little more familiarity

Then again this is coming from the same writers that want us to believe that the deadshot that appeared in two games and was essentially the protagonist of the animated movie was just some random guy playing pretend for clout. They dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about these characters

[Fallen King]

I also think the main reason for the being disliked, it's that the design and writing aren't that good or great at all. Like I said already before in other threads, King Shark on James Gunn movie its funny and tears appart people with his own hands and sharp jaw, here? dude acts just like Deadshot, using guns, etc.
Kinda not what made his character stand out in the movie...
And Harley dialogue in the scene it's rather poorly made, and doesn't fit with the type of character they are interacting with, when you pick a character of such importance like Batman, people expect the best, but delivered far from it, they delivered a monologue that lacks charisma and makes people annoyed, take the death scenes of the comedian or the howl from Watchmen movie, they are done on a way a lot more superior than what we got here. Here we got no charisma, no dignity, delivered towards such important chracter, feels like they wanted to deliberate mock a very important character in a lame way. I say lame, because look at Bane fight with Batman in the Nolan trilogy, there Batman gets mocked and humiliated in a more well crafted manner.
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