The Issue with Deadshot

[AdderTude]

My big gripe with Deadshot is how Rocksteady was like "Yeah, that's the same Deadshot from the Arkham series."
Fans: "But Deadshot was white in the Arkham games."
Devs: "Uhhhhh, it's a retcon! He was always black!"

Keep ticking those diversity boxes, Rocksteady.

[THE VERY REVEREND MISTER BONK]

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It would be exact;y the same if Blade was race swapped just for the sake of doing it. Blade is black, he's not meant to be white.

Sounds like we agree. I strongly doubt we'll ever see Blade race-swapped, though, or Black Panther, etc. This stuff seems to only go one way these days.

I say just respect the lore. If devs want to have a character of a certain demographic in there, CREATE ONE.

Yeah, well this generation has no creativity of their own so they have to steal it from better men.

[bgray9054]

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Sounds like we agree. I strongly doubt we'll ever see Blade race-swapped, though, or Black Panther, etc. This stuff seems to only go one way these days.

I say just respect the lore. If devs want to have a character of a certain demographic in there, CREATE ONE.

Yeah, well this generation has no creativity of their own so they have to steal it from better men.

You are sadly...correct. :(

[Walking DREED #ZSJL #RTAC #214]

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Sounds like we agree. I strongly doubt we'll ever see Blade race-swapped, though, or Black Panther, etc. This stuff seems to only go one way these days.

I say just respect the lore. If devs want to have a character of a certain demographic in there, CREATE ONE.

Yeah, well this generation has no creativity of their own so they have to steal it from better men.

Worst of all : THEY DON'T HAVE TO . The easily could just do Bloodsport (especially comics one, he would be literally perfect as this Soldier 76 esque "normie" soldier that can carry all the guns like Duke Nukem or GTA V character and pull them out of thin air since that's literally his super power in comics). Or WIll Evans Deadshot who was black in comics because it was Studio Squad 2016 hype era. There are TONS.
I even bet Deadshot won't have auto lock so you will be missing some shots therefore breaking the immersion and ENTIRE character shtick and showing just how MUCH comics Bloodsport would be an ideal. Espeically when battling Superman, Kryptonite gun and all that. He could even supply rest of the squad with various guns whle some of them could help him traverse.
But no. (I blame WB heads, not Rocks) just do average bland MOBA style shooter with recharchable one time super power on Q button, and let's put DC ip on it so it will sell really well. Without any effort to Actually make these characters like they are in the comics : highly unequal.
It's same Avengers crap all over again I fear. Where instead of making Hulk a Hulk they made Hulk do same amount of damage per ratio as Black Widow except BW is faster so it at least LOOKS like she is actually even stronger, more potent than Hulk.

I only hope that Rocks pulled joker card and made additional mode where we can play as Superman and maybe even other JLers. Just like we could play as Joker (if "we" were Soynyboys) and Arkham Knight and Harley. So maybe we can see some bits of an ACTUAL game they Actually wanted to make instead of this soulless bs.
I wish older generation and people that actually don't play video games, ever, or watch superhero movies or even just normal movies (how Harvey Weinstein almost ruined Snowpiercer) will finally stop meddling with creatives because they unironically think that their useless degrees and nepotism earned high places make them some kind of high iq people instead of what they actually are. We will never be free untill that, but so won't they.

[soulxhawk]

This is why I am a bit of an elitist. Us comic book fans who buy the books and keep this franchises alive are told to deal with the changes in adaptations and not every adaptation will be the same as the comics. Yet once a movie comes and new adaptations are made things from the movie are kept the same because that is what the movie going audience knows.

If I have to deal with Tony's stupid JARVIS AI then someone who only knows Deadshot from Suicide Squad the movie can deal with a comic accurate one in a game.

[Walking DREED #ZSJL #RTAC #214]

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This is why I am a bit of an elitist. Us comic book fans who buy the books and keep this franchises alive are told to deal with the changes in adaptations and not every adaptation will be the same as the comics. Yet once a movie comes and new adaptations are made things from the movie are kept the same because that is what the movie going audience knows.

If I have to deal with Tony's stupid JARVIS AI then someone who only knows Deadshot from Suicide Squad the movie can deal with a comic accurate one in a game.

as you should be

[Walking DREED #ZSJL #RTAC #214]

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This is why I am a bit of an elitist. Us comic book fans who buy the books and keep this franchises alive are told to deal with the changes in adaptations and not every adaptation will be the same as the comics. Yet once a movie comes and new adaptations are made things from the movie are kept the same because that is what the movie going audience knows.

If I have to deal with Tony's stupid JARVIS AI then someone who only knows Deadshot from Suicide Squad the movie can deal with a comic accurate one in a game.

Jarvis in comics still exist. Avengers in comics still don't kill, especially not Iron Man and Captain America. Deadshot isn't black in comics (for now, before rart Zaslav decides to blend them into one thing for real)

[soulxhawk]

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This is why I am a bit of an elitist. Us comic book fans who buy the books and keep this franchises alive are told to deal with the changes in adaptations and not every adaptation will be the same as the comics. Yet once a movie comes and new adaptations are made things from the movie are kept the same because that is what the movie going audience knows.

If I have to deal with Tony's stupid JARVIS AI then someone who only knows Deadshot from Suicide Squad the movie can deal with a comic accurate one in a game.

Jarvis in comics still exist. Avengers in comics still don't kill, especially not Iron Man and Captain America. Deadshot isn't black in comics (for now, before rart Zaslav decides to blend them into one thing for real)

Yeah, but remember how in 2008 after Secret Invasion he was moved to Mighty Avengers and then seemed to fall off the face of the Marvel universe? I remember the human Jarvis coming back in 2015 for All New All Different Avengers, but that is the last I remember him and he seemed out of character.

[matzo]

why exactly does this matter. the designs of many of the characters has changed greatly throughout the course of the arkham series. just look at poison ivy. despite knight only taking place 9 months after city, she looks like she aged quite a lot.

[THE VERY REVEREND MISTER BONK]

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why exactly does this matter. the designs of many of the characters has changed greatly throughout the course of the arkham series. just look at poison ivy. despite knight only taking place 9 months after city, she looks like she aged quite a lot.

Because it only works one way. If Black Panther were race swapped there would be world war 3.

[bgray9054]

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why exactly does this matter. the designs of many of the characters has changed greatly throughout the course of the arkham series. just look at poison ivy. despite knight only taking place 9 months after city, she looks like she aged quite a lot.

I don't think this is a good example to make your point - while I think Poison Ivy looked AWFUL in Arkham Knight compared to the earlier games, they didn't race / gender swap the character.

Using the post above as a comparative reference point - imagine if Lucius Fox was race-swapped into a white dude....the media would go ballistic crying racism (and then the studio would bow down and change him back). The dummies who would cry about such a race-swap to Lucius Fox don't seem to get that if it's racist to go one way with it...it's racist to go the other way as well, but they generally support it as long as it's being done to white characters. Better off just respecting the lore. Deadshot in the Arkhamverse is white. Period. There is no good reason to change him; keyword in that sentence being "good" - we all know why they're doing it, and they can ultimately do what they want, they're just not doing it on my dime.

[Walking DREED #ZSJL #RTAC #214]

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Jarvis in comics still exist. Avengers in comics still don't kill, especially not Iron Man and Captain America. Deadshot isn't black in comics (for now, before rart Zaslav decides to blend them into one thing for real)

Yeah, but remember how in 2008 after Secret Invasion he was moved to Mighty Avengers and then seemed to fall off the face of the Marvel universe? I remember the human Jarvis coming back in 2015 for All New All Different Avengers, but that is the last I remember him and he seemed out of character.

What kind of "argument" is this?! Jarvis is still human in comics, Avengers still have no kill rule in comics, Nebula still isn't Thanos' daughter, Peter Quill still isn't Ego's son, black Nick Fury is still Nick Fury Jr from a convoluted story and not original Nick Fury the WW2 vet, Namor still isn't Mexican. Movies are movies. Comics only take, at best, costume designs, line-ups and in case of DC Comics powers/gadgets, like how Batman got grappling gun in comics becaue of Tim Burton movie but that's it , comics didn't suddenly make Joker to be Batman's parents killer just because it was like that in the highest grossing movie (at that time).

[Walking DREED #ZSJL #RTAC #214]

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why exactly does this matter. the designs of many of the characters has changed greatly throughout the course of the arkham series. just look at poison ivy. despite knight only taking place 9 months after city, she looks like she aged quite a lot.

Because you have to be a fan first to understand. You are clearly not, so anything people will write to you you will immedietally dismiss, yet when Your favorite thing will get changed beyond limits Now you will undestand.
Ivy still stayed accurate to the COMICS. Same with Jim Gordon that became more red in hair in Knight. Ultimately the in-universe connection isn't an issue, it is an issue when it doesn't look along with comics. And games have MUCH less excuses than movies since it is purely voice acting.
Even Monolith made their Wonder Woman blue eyed, despite that actress they scanned face from is brown eyed in real life and they could always slide from Gal Gadot Wonder Woman popularity .
Comics is Narrative + VISUAL storytelling, not purely narrative. One white guy (Christopher Reeve) doesn't look like another white guy (Henry Cavill) but they both look white and they both have blue eyes and they both had (artificially) black hair, just like this new John Cena looking Superman from Suicide Squad game.

[Gaiseric]

nice to see that people not caring about superficial changes can absolutely 100% not be fans. there is no objective reason why his skin color matters

[Walking DREED #ZSJL #RTAC #214]

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nice to see that people not caring about superficial changes can absolutely 100% not be fans. there is no objective reason why his skin color matters

There is. Comics is visual based storytelling.
Also love when people say nonse like this that you Can change white character's skin/gender to any kind of skin without any losses besides superficial ones, YET exactly the same people cry about racism, glass roof, etc in real life. And none of these superheroes/villains live in perfect world (also what non fan would think) otherwise they wouldn't superhero/villains, their world is exactly ours + superpowers, aliens, vivid objective gods, etc.

And yeah, you are absolutely Not a fan. Just go to somewhere where you are actually philosophically invested in. Clearly this for you is just one time entertainment that you will forget after you fullfilled your gestalt with it.

[Gaiseric]

comics being visual storytelling is not an objective reason why a characters skin color should be x or y when it was x or y before, it simply doesnt matter.

lmao imagine crying about a characters skin color and talking about how someone is not 'philosophically invested'